Abdallah Al-Bishi: "[....].. So I came along, and the
moment my father executed the man, I ran to see the digestive system, but all I
could see was the man's head flying, and where the neck used to be, there was a
kind of well. It went down. That's it. I couldn't take it anymore. I woke up in
the car on the way home. At night, I tried to go to sleep, but couldn't. I had
nightmares, but only once. Then I got used to it, Allah be praised. "
Reporter: "He carries the memory of many events, which naturally could
have an effect on people, but one sees that he relates to some of them with
humor.
"He denies that the executioner is cruel. He considers himself one of the
most compassionate people, and all the stories about him come from rumors."
"This is The Sword I Used on My First Day at Work"
Abdallah Al-Bishi [showing a sword]: "Let's start with 'the
Sultan.' I began with this Sultan. This is the sword I used on my first day at
work. This is an old sword. This is a 'Jowhar' sword. All my swords are
'Jowhar.' 'Jowhar' are the strongest swords used for beheadings. It is not
affected by the number of people beheaded with it. It is made of strong iron,
not the kind that breaks or anything.
[Shows another sword] "This sword is also a Jowhar. Every sword, of
course, is different in its own way, and is suited for its task. We have a sword
- this 'Qaridha,' to be precise - which is used for vertical strokes. This
stroke is, of course, different from the horizontal one. The horizontal stroke
goes like this [demonstrating]. These are different strokes."
[...]
Dr. Turki Al-Atyan, Saudi Interior Ministry psychologist: "The rulings
of the shari'a - executions or other punishments decreed by Allah - are
carried out by the sword, not by hanging or by gunfire. In the past, gunfire was
used, and the victim's guardian was allowed to do the shooting, but out of the
fear that possible injustice, Saudi Arabia decided that executions would be
carried out by the sword."
[...]
First TV host: "Like we said at the beginning of the show, the
executioner Abdallah Al-Bishi will be joining us shortly. He is delayed because
he is busy carrying out an execution. He is coming to the show straight from
work, and will be joining us soon.
[...]
"There are several executioners in Saudi Arabia, but there are no accurate
figures. According to the figures we obtained in our research, there are six
executioners in Saudi Arabia, but there may be a few others. There are no
accurate figures."
Second TV host: "They operate in different regions. Sometimes Abdallah
Al-Bishi is asked to travel to another region, to carry out an execution. We
will talk to him about that, and about the young executioners he has trained."
[...]
I Also Cut Off Thieves' Hands And "A Hand and a Leg on Alternate Sides, as
is Written in The Koran"
First TV host: "Do you cut off hands, or do you just do beheadings?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "Yes, yes. I carry out the punishment of cutting
off thieves' hands, as well as the cutting off of a hand and a leg on alternate
sides, as is written in the Koran."
Second TV host: "Abdallah, when you carry out the punishment of
cutting off limbs, do you anesthetize the condemned person, or is it done
without anesthesia, like beheadings?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "With regard to the cutting off of a hand, or of
both a hand and a leg, it is done with local anesthesia only."
Second TV host: "But the person who is being beheaded is definitely
not anesthetized, right?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "No, he is not anesthetized at all."
First TV host: "Abu Badr, do you remember the first time you carried
out an execution? Do you remember that day?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "I remember it to this day. I was surprised when
the officials in charge asked me to carry out one of Allah's punishments. When I
came, I was told it would be an execution, and I said: 'No problem.' I took the
sword that used to belong to my father, may he rest in peace... "
First TV host: "How old were you then?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "At that point I was... I was a man."
First TV host: "You are a man at any age, there's no doubt about that,
but how old were you?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "I don't remember exactly - 32 or 35 years old. I
began in 1412."
First TV host: "How was the experience, especially since it was your
first time? How did you feel?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "Every person is a bit worried when he starts a new
job, and is afraid he will fail."
"I Have Beheaded Many People Who Were My Friends, But Whoever Commits an
Offense Brings it on Himself"; "If The Heart is Compassionate, The Hand
Fails"
Second TV host: "Abdallah, what was your most difficult beheading?
Have you ever beheaded someone you knew?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "Yes, I have beheaded many people who were my
friends, but whoever commits an offense brings it on himself."
First TV host: "A viewer from Riyadh called to ask whether you execute
both men and women. Do you execute women, and do you feel anything different
when you execute a woman or a man?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "An execution is an execution. The difference is
that sometimes, when you execute a man, he cannot control his nerves, and sit or
stand straight, so that the job can be done."
First TV host: "As for women, do you feel more compassion than for
men? We know you are merely carrying out [the sentence], but what do you feel?"
Abdallah Al-Bishi: "If I felt compassion for the person I was
executing, he would suffer. If the heart is compassionate, the hand fails.
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