Talk about your proverbial can of worms. Clearly, Barack Hussein Obama's Immigration file was the impetus for President Obama to release his "long form" last week. If he thought that would put the matter to rest, it has had the opposite effect. It has all raised more questions than it answered, as does the release of shocking revelations in BHO I's immigration file.
Clearly, BHO I was never divorced from his first wife in Kenya. Further, INS suspected the BHO I/Stanley Ann Dunham marriage was a sham, arranged strictly to secure immigration status for him. But if Barack Senior was a Muslim polygamist, his "marriage" to Stanley Ann Dunham was invalid. Obama Senior was a Kenyan citizen. Kenya was still under English law at this time.
Illegitimate children had different rights -- at least they certainly did in 1789. There is no way that the founders of this great nation intended for an illegitimate child of a foreign bigamist to attain the highest, most powerful position in the new land.
Further, when BHO I returned to Kenya, he apparently lived with his Kenyan first wife and his American third wife, suggesting that the Dunham "divorce" was a transitory ruse.
In 1964, Ann Dunham filed for divorce. By then, Barack had taken up with Ruth Nidesand, a teacher of Lithuanian-Jewish ancestry who became his third wife. A year later, he gave up his doctoral studies and returned home.
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In the last decade of his life, Barack Obama Sr. slid slowly into the abyss. He was fired from a series of jobs. He had, as Firstbrook puts it, “a reputation for having a massive ego and a big mouth, both of which grew alarmingly when he started drinking.” He was also, according to Ruth’s son Mark, abusive to his wife and children, and Ruth eventually left him, taking her sons with him. (NY Review of Books)
President Hussein Obama is not natural born. His father was not a US citizen; he is, by that very fact, disqualified to serve as US President. For those who believe that "natural born" is no longer relevant, you are wrong. Armaros points out in the comments, "The reason the founders have created this requirement was to prevent a British person from assuming US citizenship with the purpose of ascending to higher office and compromise the USA. To prevent a sort of sleeper spy/traitor from getting power in the new nation." Clearly, from Obama's performance, that is a very clear and present danger.
Multiple attempts to get comment from the White House press office have not been returned (here).
An INS investigator, M.F. McKeon, wrote on June 8, 1964: “They (Harvard officials) weren’t very impressed with him and asked us to hold up action on his application until they decided what action they could take in order to get rid of him. They were apparently having difficulty with his financial arrangements and couldn’t seem to figure out how many wives he had.” (more here)
For years, the media and the left have excoriated anyone who questioned the circumstances and events surrounding the birth of the President of the United States. The lack of transparency and honesty only gave rise to more suspicion. And rightly so. One doesn't hand over the reins of power to just anyone, particularly those with an unknown or sketchy past. The dearth of documentation and paperwork led to more speculation. The American people were like Helen Keller and the Obama machine kept moving the furniture. Who is this man, and what is he hiding?
The birth certificate issue became the rallying cry for those of us who questioned the legitimacy of Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility for the oval office. Our media did not vet BHO. In fact, they took it upon themselves to destroy and smear those who did, or tried to.
The release of Barack Hussein Obama I's immigration file is stunning in what it reveals and the questions it poses. BHO I's visa expired August 8, 1961 -- it that why they married? A white girl in a family way with a mixed race child desperate for legitimacy in a culture that condemned such behavior as abject immorality, and a con man from Kenya desperate to stay in the USA? Was the marriage merely a business arrangement (she was 17 when she was knocked up)? She could not have been so savvy as to know that BHO I was a Muslim polygamist. Is that why it was so important to place the ads in the advertisers -- because he was about to be deported?
It is interesting to note that BHO I claims in the documents to have divorced first wife Kezia "verbally." According to the sharia, a man can divorce his wife by repeating it three times.
Despite the fact that BHO I had married Dunham, the government wasn't buying it:
A memo from Lyle H. Dahlim of the INS, written in April, 1961, says the agency “recommend(s) that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted – and denial be considered. If his USC (United States Citizen) wife tries to petition for him make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”
The child sealed it -- but who was the father? And it bears mentioning that BHO I did not marry a different high school minor whom he impregnated, according to these documents; most probably she went to London for an abortion. But he married Stanley -- why? Immigration status.
The Boston Globe got the immigration file in 2009; why did they sit on it? And who is Heather Smathers (the journalist who requested the FOIA)? (Here)
Documents also show that Obama, Sr. entered the country in 1959, and received several extensions to his visa prior to being denied in July, 1964.
A memo from Lyle H. Dahlim of the INS, written in April, 1961, says the agency “recommend(s) that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted – and denial be considered. If his USC (United States Citizen) wife tries to petition for him make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”
The wife is Stanley Ann Dunham, the President’s mother, who married Obama, Sr., in February, 1961.
The documents also show that the CIS investigated the elder Obama as a polygamist, having a wife in Kenya and a “wife and child in Honolulu.” Dahlim’s memo adds that “Polygamy is not an excludable or deportation charge as Subject is a non-immigrant.”
Documents show that Obama, Sr. was denied an extension on his student visa in July, 1964, in part because Harvard University, where Obama, Sr., was a Ph.D. candidate, sought his removal. Obama Sr. eventually left the United States willingly after becoming an illegal alien for remaining in the country past the expiration of his visa.
An INS investigator, M.F. McKeon, wrote “They (Harvard officials) weren’t very impressed with him and asked us to hold up action on his application until they decided what action they could take in order to get rid of him. They were apparently having difficulty with his financial arrangements and couldn’t seem to figure out how many wives he had.”
Documents show that Harvard officials considered Obama, Sr. to be a “slippery character,” and conspired with the INS to have him deported.
Inquiries with the White House were not immediately returned.
The revelation of the handwritten memo mentioning the President’s birth comes as lawmakers across the country grapple with so-called “birther” bills, with Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoing proposed legislation requiring all candidates for any office to produce a birth certificate prior to their name appearing on the ballot. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, however, has said he will sign a similar bill.
If he was born August 4, 1961 in a first pregnancy, it is likely that conception occurred 40 weeks previously or so. I make this to be in early November, and wonder how old Stanley Ann Dunham was then, where she was living, with whom, and what level student she may have been.
Obama implied that his father and mother’s wedding may not have been properly documented. "How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore. There's no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride. No families were in attendance; it's not even clear that people back in Kansas were informed." Obama writes that in his memoir.
And this, Michelle Obama says that Senior and Anna were never married. She described Anna as "very young and very single when she had him (Obama)." (2nd source)
And this -- There is no evidence whatsoever that Senior and Anna ever lived together anywhere, any time. The living arrangements between the announcement of the wedding and the birth of the child were uncertain. Most likely, Senior remained in his dorm room while Ann lived with her parents. Letters written by acquaintances of Senior during the period 1960-1961 with accompanying photographs do not mention or show Anna at all.
Another interesting note -- BHO I's multiple misrepresentations of his birth year. He mixes it up a lot. Coming from a well-to-do, influential family in Kenya, it is ridiculous to suggest that he didn't know. Perhaps BHO I deliberately and fraudently lied about his date of birth so that he could continue to live in the U.S. -- it leads one to suspect that perhaps his scholoarships or other funding may have been cut off at age 28. Some of his financial backing would have cut off at age 28.
And who was funding Obama Senior? According to Harvard:
Jeff Neal, a spokesman for Harvard University, said that university documents predating the INS file, which was compiled between 1961 and 1965, indicate “the University’s Center for International Affairs faced serious constraints in providing financial support for research by international graduate students in Cambridge, and that these students were required to secure and demonstrate independent and sufficient sources of funding in order to remain on campus.” (more here at the Independent)
And this curious factoid from The Obamas: The Untold Story of an African Family by Peter Firstbrook:
In 1959, Tom Mboya announced the “Airlift Africa” program, with fund-raising assistance from African-American public figures such as Jackie Robinson, Harry Belafonte, and Sidney Poitier, as well as various white liberals. The aim was to allow future Kenyan leaders to study on American campuses. Obama, having left high school without doing his final exams, didn’t get one of these scholarships. But eventually he prepared for and took the exams, and, with the financial assistance of two American women who were living in Nairobi, he was able to study at the University of Hawaii, in Honolulu. Firstbrook adds, “The records of Barack’s move to the United States are incomplete, but it seems that he also received some funding from Jackie Robinson.” (NY Review of Books)
Add to this the timeline of BHO junior's mother. In October 2008, I published emails concerning the inconsistencies in Stanley Ann Dunham's timeline here:
When public record information from the University of Washington was added to Wikipedia’s biography of Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s mother), it was removed in 35 minutes the first time and 34 minutes the second time. Read what Obama’s team of internet thugs doesn’t want you to know.
See official emails from U of Hawaii and U (see below)
I'm concerned with the unlikely dates:
Sept 26 1960 First day at U of Hawaii for Ann (Why did she start 6 weeks late?)
One month later - conception
Two months later - drops out of University of Hawaii
Three months later - married
10 months later - back in Washington attending classes at University of Washington
These are implausible dates, and may imply that Ann got pregnant in Seattle and THAT is why her family moved to Hawaii. University of Washington records place Stanley Ann Dunham in Washington State in Aug 1961 so how could she be in Honolulu 2680 miles away birthing Barack the same month.
When public record information from the University of Washington was added to Wikipedia’s biography of Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s mother), it was removed in 35 minutes the first time and 34 minutes the second time. Read what Obama’s team of internet thugs doesn’t want you to know.
When I published in this post here, speculating as to who might be the real father of BHO Jr., the leftwingers exploded and sought to destroy me with it. So rabid was their response that it reminded me of the military saying, if you are catching flak, you're over your target.
As graduation neared for the class of 1960, Stanley “Ann” Dunham (Barack’s mother) had hoped to join many of her classmates at the University of Washington. She was also accepted to the University of Chicago, according to Obama's memoir, the best-selling "Dreams from My Father.", but she popped up instead at the University of Hawaii nearly 6 weeks after the start of the 1960 Fall semester. (See email from U of Hawaii at Manoa below)
In a highly unlikely scenario, she then conceived Barack Hussein Obama Jr. only one month after she started classes Sept 26th 1960. Then, while only two months pregnant in early January 1961, Stanley “Ann” Dunham drops out of college. She then supposedly married Barack Obama Sr. three months after conception and only four months after arriving in Hawaii. And only 10 months after first arriving in Hawaii, she is back at the University of Washington, 2680 miles away. (See email from U of Washington below). Contrary to a massive disinformation scheme by the Obama campaign and the news media, Stanley Ann Dunham did not return to the U of Hawaii until Barack Obama Sr. left the island.
Madelyn Dunham, Barack’s maternal grandmother, abruptly left a lucrative career in Seattle WA as VP Bank Officer in the late summer of 1960 to work in Hawaii as an hourly wage bank teller. This afforded her time to raise Barack Hussein Obama Jr. from birth. Madelyn reportedly did not return to her previous salaried banker management level until years later when Ann snatched Barack Jr. to go to Indonesia.
Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s mother, Stanley “Ann” Dunham, gave a telling admission while still in Washington State as a recent high school graduate in the summer of 1960 when she told her friends: "I don’t need to date or marry to have children”. Oddly, although Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was already married with children in Kenya, Ann supposedly married him in order to legitimize her child’s birth.
Free Republic has an excellent summation here.
| SUMMARY OF BARACK OBAMA SENIOR'S IMMIGRATION FILE | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Page(s) | Doc Type | Subject | Summary | Date | To | From | Signed by BHO Sr. | Birth Year | Notes |
| 1-2 | Change of address card | Change of address | BHO Sr. informs INS of address change from Honolulu to Harvard U. | 26SEP62 | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 3 | Report of Action-Nonimmigrant | Stay extension | Records grant of extension of BHO Sr.'s stay until 08AUG63 | 01OCT62 | ? | INS | no | 1934 | none |
| 3 | Report of Action-Nonimmigrant | Stay extension | Records grant of extension of BHO Sr.'s stay until 29APR64 | 08AUG63 | ? | INS | no | 1934 | 1. Year of Admission is shown as 1960, but it's 1959 on other docs. |
| 4 | Non-Citizen Departure Information | BHO Sr.'s departure from Harvard U. | BHO Sr. departs Harvard U. 01JUL64 enroute to Kenya | 21JUL64 | ? | Harvard U. | no | none | 1. "Reason: I.N.S. requested and has no funds." 2. Includes Kenyan forwarding address. |
| 5 | Internal letter? | Female's trip to Kenya and BHO Sr.'s polygamy | A female (identity redacted) visited Nairobi and Mombasa, Kenya, apparently to visit BHO Sr.. BHO Sr. has two wives as well as a child
in Honolulu. Author seems concerned about female's welfare but decides not to intervene because female knew his marital status and "the matter is not within our jurisdiction." |
28AUG64 | Redacted | E. Golden (INS?) | no | none | 1. Heavily redacted. 2. Includes name of hotel where female stayed. 3. Includes mention of "Rev. Mr. Klotzle of Universalist-Unitarian Committee." 4. Includes mention of "Harvard Center of African studies." |
| 6 | Letter | BHO Sr.'s request to return to USA | Harvard U. notifies INS that BHO Sr., now residing in Kenya, has requested permission "to present my Ph.D. dissertation at Harvard." | 17Nov65 | INS District Director | Harvard U. (personal identity redacted) | no | none | 1. This doc has enclosure: page 8 (Harvard U.'s reply). |
| 7 | Report of Investigation | Date of BHO Sr.'s departure from USA | INS investigation determines that BHO Sr. departed USA 06JUL64, two days before deadline, despite earlier report that he had missed deadline. | 22JUL64 | INS | Joseph M. O'Connell, investigator; Patrick Coomey (INS?) | no | 1936 | 1. Coomey is recipient of doc at page 12. |
| 8 | Letter | Harvard U.'s reply to BHO Sr.'s request to return to USA | Harvard U. informs BHO Sr. that he must fulfill academic conditions pertaining to his incomplete thesis before they will consider his readmission to
Harvard U. |
16NOV65 | BHO Sr. | Robert Shanton, Registrar, Harvard U. | no | none | 1. This doc is enclosure to doc at page 6. |
| 9 | Arrival-Departure Record | BHO Sr.'s arrivals to and departures from USA | BHO Sr., British subject, passport #84764, is admitted to USA at NYC 09AUG59 (year not certain; blotchy stamp) "TO Aug 8 1960". Four extensions recorded.
BHO Sr. departs USA at NYC "JUL-6" (no legible year attached). |
various | ? | INS | no | 1934 | 1. Difficult reading due to hand stamps and poor penmanship. 2. Includes passport and visa information. 3. Stamped "UNDER DOCKET CONTROL AT BOS" (Boston?) 4. Includes stamps "PARIS" and "R??" where "??" are uncertain characters. |
| 10 | Record of Required Departure | Date that BHO Sr. is required to depart USA. Charge of violation? | BHO Sr. is required to depart USA on 08JUL64 as authorized on 08JUN64. 4. The doc includes "Charge: SEMIB[spelling?] 241(a)(2)." This
appears to be a reference to Section 241, paragraph (a)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which states: "Detention.-During the removal period, the Attorney General shall detain the alien. Under no circumstances during the removal period shall the Attorney General release an alien who has been found inadmissible under section 212(a)(2) or 212(a)(3)(B) or deportable under section 237(a)(2) or 237(a)(4)(B)." Verification of statute and its 1964 language is needed. |
various | INS Investigations Branch | INS | no | none | 1. Doc at page 12 is attached to this doc. 2. Includes mention of "OVERSTAY" that is controverted by docs at pages 7 and 9. Thus, "OVERSTAY" seems a mistake. 3. Original alien # is X'ed out and replaced with BHO Sr.'s alien #. 4. "DDD Suddath" stands for Deputy District Director R. L. Suddath, who appears also on pages 12, 16 (as "RLS", under "Deny", both handwritten) and 22. |
| 11 | Investigations Control Card | Basic information about an investigation of BHO Sr. | Investigation of BHO Sr. assigned to "O'CONNELL" 21JUL64. | 21JUL64 | O'CONNELL | ? | no | none | 1. Includes: "Classification approved by: PFC." Is this Patrick Coomey on page 7? 2. O'Connell signs doc at page 7 (Report of Investigation). |
| 12 | Handwritten note | Request for investigation of BHO Sr. | An investigation of BHO Sr. is requested because a mother (identity redacted) is concerned that her daughter will marry BHO Sr. who "has
one or two wives now" and because he has reportedly overstayed his required departure date. (The overstay report is controverted by docs at pages 7 (Report of Investigation) and 9. Thus, The overstay report seems false.) |
17JUL64 | Mr. Coomey | R. L. Suddath | no | none | 1. This doc is attached to doc at page 10. 2. The recipient, "Mr. Coomey" appears also on page 7 and perhaps page 11 (as "PFC"). 3. The sender, R. L. Suddath, appears also on pages 10, 16 (as "RLS", under "Deny", both handwritten) and 22. 4. Age of mystery girlfriend given as "27." |
| 13 | Memo for file | BHO Sr.'s response to denial of stay extension and ensuing discussion | A INS secretary records her conversations with BHO Sr. after his "Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay" (pages 14-15) is denied. BHO Sr. pleads
his case to remain in the USA, but the secretary tells him that the decision is final. Four days later, BHO Sr. calls again and requests to talk to the offical (J. Hamilton, Jr.) who denied his application. The secretary tells him that Mr. Hamilton is not available and repeats that the decision is final. A day later, another INS official records a call from a Harvard U. official who is "not in favor of ext[ension]." |
18JUN64 - 23JUN64 | File | Mulrean, Dep Sec, Boston and O. Namana (spelling?) | no | none | 1. Includes 3 entries: (A) 18JUN64 by Mulrean; (B) 22JUN64 by Mulrean; and (C) 23JUN64 by O. Namana (spelling?). 2. BHO Sr. mentions "African American Institute" as potential sponsor. |
| 14-15 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay | Denial of stay extension | BHO Sr. applies to stay at Harvard U. another year, but he is denied by INS. | 21APR64 (application), 09JUN64 (denial) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1936 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1936 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1934 birth year. |
| 16 | Memo | Recommendation to deny BHO Sr.'s application for stay extension | Author (INS?) recommends BHO Sr.'s "Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay" (pages 14-15) be denied because of his file:
specifically, Harvard U.'s recommendation (page 17) that he return to Kenya, his lack of funds, and questions about his possible polygamist practices. |
08JUN64 | ? | M.F. McKeon (INS?) | no | none | 1. Concurrences are handwritten by two other officals. One is "EG" who is probably E. Golden on page 5. The other is "RLS" who is probably Robert L.
Suddath on pages 10, 12 and 22. Reference page 22 for signature confirmation. |
| 17 | Letter | Recommendation that BHO Sr. return to Kenya | The Director of the International Office at Harvard U. writes BHO Sr. to recommend that he return to Kenya because he has completed his coursework
(except his thesis) and he has insufficient funds. |
27MAY64 | BHO Sr. | David D. Henry, Harvard U. | no | none | 1. Henry is also mentioned on page 18. |
| 18 | Memo | Harvard U.'s intention to force out BHO Sr. | Author (INS?) records notes from phone conversation with Harvard U.'s Director of the International Office, Mr. Henry. He states that he will attempt to
coordinate with a dean and BHO Sr.'s department head to force out BHO Sr. |
19MAY64 | ? | M.F. McKeon (INS?) | no | none | 1. Henry is also mentioned on page 17. |
| 19 | Report of Action-Nonimmigrant | Denial of stay extension | Denies extension of BHO Sr.'s stay beyond 29APR64 | 09JUN64 | ? | INS | no | 1934 | 1. Stamped "UNDER DOCKET CONTROL AT BOS" (Boston?) |
| 20 | Form letter | Denial of stay extension | INS sends letter to BHO Sr. informing him that his "application for extension of temporary stay has been DENIED." Furthermore, he must leave the USA by
08JUL64. |
09JUN64 | BHO Sr. | INS | no | none | 1. Why is the file # redacted? |
| 21 | Memo | Harvard U.'s investigation of BHO Sr. | Author (INS?) records notes from conversations with Harvard U. official and BHO Sr.. Harvard U. officials are trying to learn more about
BHO Sr. through conversations with him and other means. He could not remember where he has worked less than a year previously but called later to say it was at the "Institute of International Marketing, 44-a Brattle Street, Cambridge, Mass." They think he might have as many as three wives. |
28APR64 - 29APR64 | ? | M.F. McKeon (INS?) | no | none | 1. Is the suspected 3rd wife who lives in Cambridge actually BHO Sr.'s sister (BHO II's aunt who lives in Boston)? |
| 22 | Letter | Mysterious Kenyan girl (high school age) | INS informs the American Consul (State Dept.) in London about a mysterious Kenyan girl associated with BHO Sr. She travelled to London
against the wishes of her sponsoring religious organization, and is expected to return to the USA. The reason for her visit to London is redacted, but it could be an abortion (my speculation). The letter includes the phrases "her relations with Mr. Obama." |
02MAR64 | American Consul, London | J.A. Hamilton, District Director, INS | no | none | 1. Heavily redacted. |
| 23 | Memo | Mysterious Kenyan girl (high school age) | An Immigrant Inspector writes to the INS District Director about a mysterious Kenyan girl associated with BHO Sr. She has been studying
in the USA but doing poorly. She travelled to London against the wishes of her sponsoring religious organization, and has a return ticket to the USA. The girl's purported reason for her trip was to visit her sick sister; however, a check by the London embassy failed to find a sister anywhere in England. The reason for her visit to London is redacted, but it could be an abortion (my speculation). BHO Sr. is "likely her boy friend" and is "considered by [redacted] to be a slippery character." Airport security is to be placed on emergency lookout for the girl. |
31JAN64 | J.A. Hamilton, Jr., District Director, Boston, Mass. | K.D. MacDonald, Immigrant Inspector, Boston, Mass. | no | none | 1. Heavily redacted. |
| 24 | Letter | Mysterious Kenyan girl (high school age) | A director of the girl's sponsoring religious organization writes the INS to inform them that she travelled to London against their wishes. Therefore,
they are expelling her from school and severing ties with her. |
21JAN64 | INS | Dana E. Klotzle, Associate Director, Unitarian Universalist Service Committee, Inc. | no | none | 1. Mentions a "Dean of Women at [redacted] at Auburndale" (spelling?). There is an Auburndale, Mass. near Boston. |
| 25-26 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay | Stay extension | BHO Sr. applies to stay at Harvard U. another year, and he is granted partial approval by INS to stay until 29APR64. | 06JUN63 (application), 08AUG63 (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1936 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1936 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1934 birth year. 2. Many spaces on form are left blank. |
| 27-28 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay | Stay extension | BHO Sr. applies to stay in the USA another year to study, and he is granted approval by INS (to stay until 08AUG63). | 17AUG62 (application), [illegible date] (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1936 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1936 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1934 birth year. 2. Many spaces on form are left blank. 3. BHO Sr. signs in Baltimore, Maryland. |
| 29-30 | Certificate of Eligibility (for nonimmigrant "F-1" student status) | Nonimmigrant student status | BHO Sr. submits this form to recertify his nonimmigrant student status as a condition of changing schools from U. of Hawaii to Harvard. U. | 17AUG62 | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1936 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1936 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1934 birth year. 2. BHO Sr. signs in Baltimore, Maryland. |
| 31 | Notice and Report Concerning Nonimmigrant "F-1" Student | unspecified | Form is incomplete and unsigned. | none | INS | ? | no | 1936 | none |
| 32 | Notice and Report Concerning Nonimmigrant "F-1" Student | BHO Sr.'s departure from U. of Hawaii | U. of Hawaii notifies INS that BHO Sr. is no longer attending that school. | 27JUN62 | INS | U. of Hawaii | no | 1934 | none |
| 33 | Form letter | Employment and stay extension | INS notifies BHO Sr. that he's been granted permission to accept employment and that his temporary stay is extented until 08AUG62. | 06SEP61 | BHO Sr. | INS | no | none | none |
| 34 | Handwritten memo | Stay extension | Author writes highlights of conversation with BHO Sr. regarding his suitability for an extension of his stay in the USA. Includes
reference to BHO II born 04AUG61 in Honolulu. |
31AUG61 | INS file(?) | William Wood II | no | none | 1. Mentions Stanley Ann Dunham's intent to attend Wash. State U. (in Eastern WA). But she in fact attended U. of Wash. (in Seattle). |
| 35-36 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay -or- Application by Alien Student for Permission to Accept Employment | Stay extension and employment | BHO Sr. applies to stay in the USA another year to study, and he is granted approval by INS (to stay until 08AUG62). He also requests permission to
accept employment, and this is granted. |
31AUG61 (application), 31AUG61 (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 37-38 | Certificate of Eligibility (for nonimmigrant "F" student status) | Nonimmigrant student status | BHO Sr. submits this form to certify his nonimmigrant student status at U. of Hawaii. | 31AUG61 | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 39 | Memo for file | BHO Sr.'s polygamy | INS(?) official describes conversation with U. of Hawaii offical who called to notify them that BHO Sr. is likely a polygamist. U. of
Hawaii offical told of marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham and earlier marriage to woman in Kenya. BHO Sr. claims to have divorced his Kenyan wife verbally. Official continued that BHO Sr. "has been running around with several girls since he first arrived here and last summer she cautioned him about his playboy ways. Subject replied that he would "try" to stayaway [sic] from the girls." |
10APR61 | File | Lyle H. Dahlim (spelling?) | no | none | none |
| 40 | Form letter | Employment | INS notifies BHO Sr. that he's been granted permission to accept employment. | 09MAR61 | BHO Sr. | INS | no | none | none |
| 41-42 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay -or- Application by Alien Student for Permission to Accept Employment | Employment | BHO Sr. requests permission to accept employment, and this is granted by the INS. | 03MAR61 (application), 03MAR61 (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | none | 1. Birthdate is not filled in on form. 2. Many spaces on form are left blank. |
| 43-44 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay -or- Application by Alien Student for Permission to Accept Employment | Stay extension | BHO Sr. applies to stay in the USA another year to study, and he is granted approval by INS (to stay until 08AUG61). | 28JUL60 (application), 28JUL60 (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 45-46 | Certificate of Eligibility (for nonimmigrant "F" student status) | Nonimmigrant student status | BHO Sr. submits this form to certify his nonimmigrant student status at U. of Hawaii. | 24JUL60 | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 47-48 | Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay -or- Application by Alien Student for Permission to Accept Employment | Employment | BHO Sr. requests permission to accept employment, and this is granted by the INS. | 08DEC59 (application), 12JAN60 (approval) | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | none | 1. Birthdate is not filled in on form. 2. Many spaces on form are left blank. |
| 49-50 | Certificate of Eligibility (for nonimmigrant "F" student status) | Nonimmigrant student status | BHO Sr. submits this form to certify his nonimmigrant student status at U. of Hawaii. | 19FEB59 | INS | BHO Sr. | yes | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 51 | Report of Initial Registration and Termination of Attendance of Nonimmigrant "F" Student | Registration as nonimmigrant student | This form contains registration information for BHO Sr. at U. of Hawaii. "Termination of Attendance" information is absent. | 21SEP59 | INS | U. of Hawaii | no | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr.'s US contact is "Dr. Frank Laubach" with NYC address provided. |
| 52-53 | Alien Registration Fingerprint Chart | Fingerprints | Chart contains BHO Sr.'s fingerprints, basic information and identifying characteristics. | 28JUL60 | INS | File | yes (faded) | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
| 54-55 | Alien Registration Fingerprint Chart | Fingerprints | Chart contains BHO Sr.'s fingerprints, basic information and identifying characteristics. | none | INS | File | yes (faded) | 1934 | 1. BHO Sr. signs doc w/ 1934 birth year contradicting other signed docs w/ 1936 birth year. The 1934 birth year contradicts BHO Sr.'s
age on BHO II's long-form birth certificate! |
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Dang Ms. Geller, you sure know how to research/write. It's a pity MSM isn't doing their job and you're doing it for them. You should be teaching investigative journalism.
Question for MSM:
If Osama Bin Laden married an American woman in Saudi Arabia and she had the baby delivered in America, then would that child be eligible to be president?
http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/osama-and-obama/
Question 2 for MSM:
Police officers and bartenders are trained to identify fake IDs. Why does the MSM assume that the released BC is prima facie evidence of truth? There are MANY questions about that which are obvious to anyone with DTP or Illustration backgrounds.
Posted by: Jew Lover | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 11:07 PM
Follow up question:
IF Osama Bin Laden married an American woman who was one of several wives (not the 1st) and she had the baby delivered in America, then would that child be eligible to be president?
Is Obama's grandmother a liar when she said she was there in Kenya when he was born?
Posted by: Jew Lover | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 11:18 PM
When Barack was born, he punished his mother by being her baby that resulted from a tryst.
Posted by: Lenin-McCarthy | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 11:36 PM
Tank you Pamela for including the Natural Born Citizen issue. He was never eligible BC or no BC.
Article 2 Section 1 is simple to understand, as is the Founders reasoning for it. Even many defenders of the Constitution seem oh so willing to brush it aside. It is not vague - it even provided for a one-time exception to allow original settlers and founders whose parents were not US citizens to run for President.
It is not outdated. Had Obama's father been Vladimir Putin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad instead of a Kenyan exchange student, the wisdom of the Founders becomes crystal clear.
Many say the second amendment is outdated too. We have to defend all of the Constitution per the Founders intent, not just the convenient parts.
Posted by: sDee | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 11:59 PM
Thank you dittos for covering the Natural Born Citizen issue. The bots are DESPERATE to redefine it as having 1 US citizen parent. They will push this to save their arses.
The Law of Nations (IN the Constitution) defines Natural Born Citizen as born in-country of parents who are its citizens.
SR511 agrees (Obama cosponsored it)
Bingham agrees (he wrote the 14th amendment)
"A Child of an Alien is NOT a Natural Born Citizen" summary of US v. wong Kim Ark (and p.s. the bots always lie and try to apply British Common Law but we do not use that, we are not subjects, we are citizens)
"No Child of a Singular US Citizen Parent is a Natural Born Citizen" summary of Minor v. Happersett which holds no 14th amendment (0, and 1 US citizen parent) are ever a natural born citizen
Plus much more, it's out there, they'd have to overturn numerous SCOTUS holdings, rewrite history, logic, laws, to redefine NBC, but since they're desperate, they're going to try to pull this with their completely criminal SCOTUS.
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:04 AM
I know, she's a freaking genius.
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:05 AM
2 men, Woodward and Bernstein were to Watergate as
1 woman, Ms. Pamela Geller is to Obamagate.
Posted by: Jew Lover | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Obama put out the no-seal long form glowing green thing because of this FIOA and Corsi andTrump and also because they WANT another candidate to try to say it's bogus so they can try to change the definition of NBC in their corrupt SCOTUS.
Just take his admissions on face value, Wong and Minor already HOLD that Obama is not a natural born citizen!!
By the way, then envahisseur embedded enemy combatant espionage agent running the illegal war killed 2 of Qadafi's grandkids and his youngest son
Congress is guilty of misprison of felony
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:08 AM
and misprison of treason
they think they're being cute by being silent, but they being criminals in violation of their oaths
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:15 AM
Also I notice that page 34 or so which is handwritten looks bogus since Stanley Ann did not attend Washington State University (in southeast corner of state)
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:16 AM
She's got the majority of the country 100,000% behind her too
Pam should go meet LTC Terry Lakin, MD the day he's released from Leavenworth (he was imprisoned for asking for Obama's cred to be CIC)
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:17 AM
"The Boston Globe got the immigration file in 2009, why did they sit on it? "
OHH, OHHH, I KNOW THIS ONE, TEACHER, PICK ME, PICK MEEEEEEEE!!"
[Ahem]
Because the Boston Glob has spent the past ~50 years serving as the most fanatically servile, devious, deviant and dishonest arm of the Progressive movement in America, esp when the Kennedy call comes in on the Batphone. Before the Bolshevik empire collapsed, many of the Glob's writers (both news and editorial) were even more pro-Soviet than writers for the Nation. The late Randolph Ryan was a particularly dishonorable swine in this regard. Oh, and don't forget the truthless Tom Oliphant, the poor man's Sidney Blumenthal.
Many of the NYT's vilest writers apprenticed at the Glob.
So why expect the Glob to do anything BUT bury a story that wd hurt Obama? The day they run something against him will be the day they conclude he needs to be ousted by a more viable communist. Or it will be an accident.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:40 AM
Who is reporter Heather Smathers? A young reporter who is NOT in a coma, or the tank, like the rest of those worthless bumkissers:
https://www.facebook.com/Heather.Smathers
Posted by: JewishOdysseus | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:08 AM
Pamela, Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a communist peadophile and pornographer who had his friend Obama Sr.marry Stanley Ann Dunham after he (Davis) got her pregnant while she was still a teenager. The marriage gave her a husband and him American citizenship.
http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog/?p=12
http://www.dailypaul.com/100605/frank-marshal-davis-is-obamas-real-father
Posted by: Bohemond1096 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM
can what obama´s parents did or did not do disqualify obamas rights? can illegitimate birth disqualify his rights? can his lying to the nation disqualify his rights?... what a terrible disservice obama has done to the black people of america... is the people of usa big enough to not blame the black people for obama´s betrayal of the people of usa? what a horrendous situation obama and his followers have created!!! don´t forget his followers, his followers in high places who refused to identify obama properly... they are the true perpetrators of this wholesale betrayal of usa;without their support this whole conondrum could not have evolved.
Posted by: whatdemocracy | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:32 AM
Unfortunately yes.
What the founders wanted to prevent was a spy immigrant. They assumed that a person born in America is someone who will be known by his community. America was a small town country.
In other words, the danger of a sleeper spy is reduced if not eliminated. They were specifically concerned about Britain as it was both the greatest threat to the new nation but also its biggest trading partner and greatest source of immigrants.
Back then it was hard to determine fatherhood. A bastard child was typically adopted so that the stigma would not carry with him. People were also born on ships. On the way from England for example. People could also be born abroad as travel was slow so if an Ambassador or travelling trader had kids, they needed a way to preserve their citizenship. This is also why women didn't travel much with their husbands. To make sure that kids were born at home.
Imagine if an American woman gives birth to a child in America she doesn't know the father of. Something which happens all too often.
Would such a child have go through immigration?
Would then that child not be American? Because he couldn't prove his father was an American?
This is why they settled on the one parent and the place of birth. Actually a Mexican giving birth in the USA will result in an American child.
This is why it was settled that the person needs to be born in the USA or specifically be "natural born" which can mean born outside of the USA but in that case having to have both parents Americans.
The issue with Obama is not where he was born. Unless someone can prove he wasn't born in the USA, he will remain as natural born.
What is possible is that the person in the WH may not be Barak Obama. If his mother in some way falsified papers or the identity of the father.
That is a new can of worms and I suppose having a false identity may disqualify one from the presidency.
Posted by: armaros | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:08 AM
Did The Standard - Kenya Online Edition, June 26, 2004, lie when they reported that "Kenyan-born Obama All Set for US Senate?" Or...
...Snopes.com online 'Fact Checker' when they said that Barack Obama Was Born in Kenya-see 21 Apr 2008 Snopes Article.
...AP-NewsTimesOnline-Ghana News, Nov 4, 2008, reported that "A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitered on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rival, Senator McCain."
...Uganda Monitor, Feb 16, 2008, reported that "Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan-born Senator Barack Obama for the US Presidency."
...The Nigerian Observer, Nov 4, 2008, reported that Senator Obama was favored to win, but "[t]he Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face stiff competition."
...Modern Ghana News, July 2009, in a report on Barky's trip to Cairo, "the first ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."
...During the Kenyan National Assembly of March 25, 2010, when the Minister of Lands, James Orengo said. "If America was living in a situation where they feared
ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man
born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of
America?"
...During the Kenyan National Assembly of Nov 5, 2008, when Ms. Odhiambo said, "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour. I, therefore, seek leave of the House that we adjourn to discuss the issue."
Were all of these news organizations and Kenyan government officials liars when they said Barky was born in Kenya (or on the continent of Africa)?
http://www.scribd.com/collections/2441535/African-Official-Government-Records-News-Accounts
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:18 AM
If Obamas mother was 17 when she got pregnant and he was 25 (or a variety of older ages) would that not have qualified as statutory rape in that state?
Posted by: Bill E | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:23 AM
In 2008, John McCain was vetted by the Congress and a Resolution was passed, co-signed by Barack Obama himself, stating that McCain was Natural Born therefore was eligible to run for President because he was born to 2 U.S.citizen parents.
In 1968, George Romney was vetted by the Congress and it was declared that, although he was born in Mexico,
he was Natural Born because he was born to two U.S. citizen parents.
It is clear to me that Congress has decided twice in recent history that Natural Born means born to two U.S. citizen parents. It's ironic that Obama actually signed onto McCain's!
A related issue: foreigners come to the U.S. every day of the week to have their babies here so they will have a U.S. citizen child. They take the birth certificate and return to their home countries. That child may never learn to speak English, or speak with a foreign accent, never attend American schools, know anything about American history and values, yet if he manages to spend 14 years resident in this country after the age of 35 he can run for President of the U.S. It's obvious to me that the Founders wanted the child to have been born to two U.S. citizen parents so that child would be embued with American values from birth.
Posted by: Paula K. | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:25 AM
Excuse me: Correction in first line of previous message which should read: "co-sponsored by Barack Obama himself".
Posted by: Paula K. | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:27 AM
Fortunately, you're wrong. Unfortunately, millions of others also falsely equate native born citizenship with natural born citizenship.
"Would then that child not be American? Because he couldn't prove his father was an American?
This is why they settled on the one parent and the place of birth."
...to establish native born citizenship, also called born citizenship, which is not equal to natural born citizenship.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:33 AM
Complicating the issue is the understanding that Barry Sotoro was adopted by the Kenyan, and thus gave up any US citizenship. Where are the adoption records? And again, would they not have been noted on the original BC? When the whole truth and nothing but the truth comes out soon, BHO is going to be deep in hot H2O!
Posted by: Bill E | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:48 AM
He was more than 5 years older than her, so in Hawaii, that is considered rape. I don't believe sharia was recognized in Hawaii in 1961.
Posted by: Bill E | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:55 AM
Wow, terrific Atlas...you were one of the first to see clearly what was going on with this issue.
Thank you for all you do!
Posted by: drkate | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:57 AM
I have no doubt Obama is exactly who he says he is: the son of a polygamist white hating communist and a white hating communist.
Posted by: pat | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:58 AM
Wow, thank you AuntieMadder - this looks like a gold mine Ma'am. Apologies for the other day as well Ma'am as I wanted to thank you for your help regarding eligibility but got distracted.
/If the American public allows BO to ignore such a basic requirement regarding eligibility, than they deserve what they get as the rule of law no longer means anything. I can't imagine a police officer letting an 8-year old drive a car if the law states 16 at a minimum. Nor can I imagine a bartender letting in underage drinkers with suspicious IDs. We should all be much more vigilant than police officers and bartenders.
2008 - Idiots voted for Hope and Change
2012 - No Hope, Chump Change unless the rule of law is followed NOW. Those who think tyranny can't happen in America are ignorant of history.
Posted by: JewLover | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:16 AM
http://newstime.co.nz/video-facebook-obama-lies-on-his-birth-certificate-hq.html
Video (Facebook): Obama lies on His Birth Certificate [HQ]
At about 05:30 Obama’s borther George who live in Kenya
for only 1 (one) Dollar per month (Ref. CNN)
Obama does not spend a dollar for him
Posted by: Stephanie | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:08 AM
I left this in a comment at P&E News Saturday. Since it's about this same bunch of released documents, I thought it might be helpful to some here.
I’m paging through the Heather Smathers scribd files now and coming across inconsistencies. For example, page 35 is a copy of an App to Extend Time of Temp Stay, signed and dated by Obama Sr on Aug 31, 1961. Field 7 is marriage status, in which Obama Sr entered “married.” Next to it is the space for the name and address of spouse, in which he wrote “Ann S Dunham, Honolulu, Hawaii.” In the space beneath, it reads, “If married, give name and addresses of children.” It was left blank.
Page 39 is a copy of “MEMO FOR FILE” dated April 12, 1961. The first paragraph is a note about Obama Sr having married Stanley Anne Dunham on Feb 2, 1961 and that being a problem because he has a wife in Kenya. It appears that something was redacted in the middle of the third paragraph. The fifth paragraph instructs that he be closely questioned if he applies for another extension and that should the “USC” (US citizen?) wife petition for him to stay, “make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”
In a hand-written note by William Wood (scribd page 34), dated 8/31/1961, he wrote “They have a child born in Honolulu on 8/4/1961 – Barack Obama II, child living with mother…” The next part, in parenthesis, is difficult to read but I think Wood was saying that mother and child live with her parents and Obama Sr lives at a different address.
Page 27 is an Application to Extend Temp Stay dated Aug 17, 1962. Obama Sr identifies himself as married in Field 7, does not name his wife, and lists as his child Roy Obama.
Page 25 is another App to Extend Temp Stay, this one dated June 6, 1963. There are question marks in the fields for marriage status and name of spouse. Name and addresses of children was left blank.
On page 21 in a hand written note is something about a possible wife in Cambridge. Then the next few pages are about another girl, probably a girlfriend, who, at his advice, left the US to visit someone in London. In the typed portion it’s noted that he didn’t left blank the portions about marriage status on the I-539. “After the alien stated he was married, he said he was separated and that they may get a divorce.” it goes on to say that the wife from Honolulu is now in Philippines and that he had a wife in Kenya when he arrived in 1959.
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I have to stop for now. What I’m getting from this is either 1) Obama Sr was a womanizer who easily lost track of the old gal and their kids whenever he found a new gal and Stanley Anne was just one of the women he knocked up and then discarded, kids and all; or 2) Stanley Anne Dunham, either because she’d fallen for Obama Sr or because she was a rebel who’d easily “stick it to The Man” for another rebel, especially when The Man was a US taxpayer and the fellow rebel was a foreigner with communist/socialist leanings, allowed Obama Sr to claim they were married on his App for Extended Temp Stay, thinking it would automatically extend his stay. I think #2 makes more sense because he claimed Stanley Anne as his wife on the Aug 31, 1961 form but not her son. If the child was his son, listing him would have helped his case even more. So, to me, it seems that the only reason not to claim the child is because the child wasn’t his. But then who was born in Kenya that August in 1961 whose deliver was witnessed by step-grandmother Obama, who passed through her hands, and who do the Kenyan Prime Ministers think is sitting in the White House today?
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:29 AM
Also this:
“Sally Jacobs is later identified as a member of the Globe staff and the author of “The Other Barack, The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama’s Father,’’ to be published in July.
This revelation — that the Boston Globe had these documents since 2009 — could be the biggest story of all, and it certainly has me rethinking the role of journalism in rural America.”
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/boston-globe-reporter-hid-information-on-obamas-father-from-the-public-for-2-years/
Is this true? Is it the reason it took so long for the Globe to release the documents to the public? I don’t know. I’m growing increasingly suspicious about anything and everything I read and hear because I’ve got a hunch that the news pipelines are now being pumped full of disinformation. Their desire to confuse is, of course, because of Trump’s public demands for Barky’s birth certificate and now his school records and as a preemptive strike at Corsi’s book.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:29 AM
He is only America because by birth, but as for being American I doubt very much that he is an American in his heart. His father is from Kenya ,his mother from Britain and most of his life he lived in Jakata and also speaks the language. When he came to Britain he diregarde the queen and showed contempt by not bowing as it is a respectfall thing in Britain . Instead he bows to the Sheik in Saudia Arabia and takes his shoes of to enter a mosque then kisses the Quran. This act showed all christians what he is about, he is a dangerous man and mislead all of us hich he is doing now. It is not because he is black it is because he is hoity, he thinks he can do what he likes because he is the president of the united states. Barack obamah in Britain is not liked, he says he is culturly mixed but has no respect for european countries where we have been alies with America for centuries despite our histories. The European countries could turn against America if he stays president for longer than his turn. He is totally un-American, disresectfal, like Geert Wilders said protect freedom because America could become and is becoming islamised. The islamists are making a mokery out of America's kindness and hospitality we can see it creeping up on America from here in europe.
Posted by: jo | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:34 AM
AMERICA WAKE UP GET RID OF OBAMAH AS HE IS YOUR DOWNFALL. iF HE BOWS AND KISSES THE SHEIK AND THE QURAN .................WHAT IS THIS TELLING YOU!!!!!! HE HAS TO GO............!!!!!!!! HE IS A DANGEROUS MAN......IT IS NOT ABOUT THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN , SO WHAT! IT IS ABOUT HIS IDEALS ..HE SYMPATHISIS WITH THE EXTREEMISTS.......THE ISLAMISTS...........DONT FORGET HE HAS ALREADY BEEN TAUGHT THE QUARAN...HE IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE WESTEN CULTURE OF HIS MOTHER AND THE IDEOLODGY OF HIS FATHERS BELIEF, THEREFORE HE CANNOT LEAD THE COUNTRY WITH HIS FEET FIRMLY ON THE GROUND, WHEN HE IS IN TWO MINDS AND TWO WORLDS...............
Posted by: jo | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:42 AM
I don't remember anyone owing me any thanks, but since you think you do, then you're welcome.
The scribd.com collection that I linked to is that of attorney Mario Apuzzo. Here's his blog site address: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ Of the "birther" attorneys (Denofrio, Taitz, Berg, etc.), I think Apuzzo's work is the best. It's probably just a matter of how each of us relate to their arguments and strategies, and I relate best to Apuzzo's. He has what must be thousands of hours of research written into essays at his site. If you're not already familiar with it, then you should visit it.
There's an older Associated Press report, one announcing the "Kenyan-born Obama" being elected to the US Senate, that Apuzzo doesn't currently have. If I can find it again, I'll share it here and with him.
Isn't it something how the AP has churned out a mountain of reports denigrating "birthers" and stating with certainty and authority that Barky was born in Hawaii when their agency had identified him as Kenyan-born numerous times before his 2008 run for POTUS? Fucking liars.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:44 AM
OBAMHA HAS TWO MINDS AND TWO FACES LIKE THE ISLAMISTS EXTREEMISTS...WHAT HE PORTRAYS TO THE WORLD IS NOT WHAT HE ACTUALLY BELEIVES.. IF HE IS REALECTED HE WILL CAUSE MORE CHAOS, AS WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE CHAOS HE HAS CAUSED AND THE BITTER TASTE LEFT IN OUR MOUTHS BY HIS ACTIONS.
Posted by: jo | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:45 AM
And then he grew up to punish us all.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 04:46 AM
His mother was American, not British. Kenyan Obama Sr was a British subject because Britain made Kenya a Crown Colony in 1920. Some say he inherited American citizenship from his mother, giving him duel citizenship (American and British) at birth; others say that, at 18 years of age in 1961, she wasn't old enough to pass down American citizenship to him and so he was born a British subject.
Kenya declared its independence from Britain Dec 12, 1963, so Kenyans today are citizens of Kenya and not British subjects as Obama Sr was. http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/kenya.htm
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 05:00 AM
TRUTH WILL OUT.
Posted by: Carol Eberwein | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 05:10 AM
Good one, Lenin-McCarthy, very sharp ;-)
Posted by: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358155173 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 05:12 AM
Pamela, consider this: if Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's birth father, that would mean he is eligible to be President since Davis was an American citizen. ircumstantial evidence seems to support this since the nude photos of Stanley Ann Dunham indicate they were taken around November or December as there are Christmas decorations in the photos. That would mesh with the time she conceived Obama. Since Barack Obama Sr.was a muslim he would not have celebrated Christmas or any Christian holiday, which lends more credence to Davis being his biological father. If Obama claims Obama Sr. as his father, that would make him ineligible, regardless if Dunahm and Obama Sr. were married or not. (It's doubtful if Davis and Ann Dunham knew each other in Seattle since she was born in 1942 and he moved to Hawaii in 1948...
Posted by: Bohemond1096 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 06:59 AM
How 99% of the politcans behave :-)
There is only ONE Islam. Muslim is Muslim!
http://schnellmann.org/taqiyyah.html
03:00 TWO faces to the West … 03:45 Quran 3:28
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (3 Al'imran) THE greatest Quran commentator
— “… believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly
but NEVER INWARDLY...
Abu Darda — “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts CURSE THEM....”
Posted by: Stephanie | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 07:21 AM
I'm of the opinion that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's father. Can't prove it, of course.
But if Davis is Obama's father and Obama knew that, then Dreams of My Father is a hoax and a fraud.
Posted by: Always On Watch | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 07:23 AM
Completely nuts... Obama is a citizen because he was born to a citizen - his mother. He is also a citizen by virtue of being born on US soil. His father could be a Martian and he would still be a citizen.
Posted by: tolbel@bob.com | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:07 AM
I'm so confused, I assumed both Obama's parents were American Citizens?
Posted by: Poosh | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:14 AM
It should - obviously - neever be the case that the father's bloodline takes any precedence over the mother's.
Posted by: Poosh | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:16 AM
....may imply Ann was pregnant in Seattle.
In book 'Malcolm X' by Haley there is a chapter that talks about the crisis which caused Malcolm to leave NOI. It had to do with Elijah Muhammed's involvement with diverse secretaries. Those secretaries after their accusations were brought before a Muslim court and convicted of adultery and banned from the community. That's right, Sharia style somewhere around 1960. Now understanding that the civil rights movement(south) and the black nation movement(North) operated from different core values. Any mixed child that may have been bred within the movement , especially from 1959 - 1963 as this crisis errupts, the mother would have been smart to take off. It is easier for a child to be schooled later than earlier, and they are more likely to excel. I have seen immigrants do this. Even easier if early school years are in another country.
Posted by: Barb | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:57 AM
Poosh
0 US citizen parent = person can naturalize by oath as adult (there is no jus soli only laws in USA despite wide misconceptions)
1 US citizen parent = naturalized at birth US citizen
but
2 US citizens born on US soil = natural born citizen, the requirement for president (Article II)
the enemedia has done a FINE JOB at mass confusion operations on the American public
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:57 AM
tell me, are you being dishonest with us or do you actually just notknow that a statutory citizen cannot be a legal president?
do you even know the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen based on article II?
I want to figure out where this "citizen can be president" misnomer originated, the press, or what?
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 08:59 AM
I know it's all very interesting but legally an impotent route we have to go by his testimony (which Trump succeeded in affirming).
Based on that alone, Obama is not a natural born citizen (born incountry of parents who are its citizens) and is not a legal president. Roberts swore in a usurper, knowing he was not eligible, as did Obama (because he cosponsored SR511 which agrees with the known definition of NBC).
But I will say I had older relatives growing up who joked about so-and-so being the lost son of Malcolm X...but I just thought it was a joke.
Posted by: Kafir | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 09:02 AM
"President Hussein Obama is not natural born. His father was not a US citizen, he is, by that very fact, disqualified to serve as US President."
That's correct. The birth certificate issue merits investigation in its own right due to the many implications it has, but even without the birth certificate, there never has been any dispute over the fact that Obama's father is not a US citizen, so therefore, Obama is not a natural-born citizen. Leftists brush this off and act like being born to an American mother is the same as being natural-born. This is only one of many issues where the rule of law is disregarded in the Obama administration.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 09:50 AM
This is getting GOOD!!!!! fuck Idol, OBummah is the show of the century!!!!!!
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!!!!!! A TIME TO IMPEACH!!!!!!
Eccelesiates, Chap III, Verse 6: "A time to get, and a time to lose, a time to keep AND A TIME TO CAST AWAY". damn prophetic, eh?
Posted by: DanS. | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Whether his father isn't a citizen to me isn't as much an issue as a man gaining the position of POTUS lying and committing fraud and being so flippant about these very real CRIMES!
Posted by: Annie | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Despite the fact that BHO I had married Dunham, the government wasn't buying it:
A memo from Lyle H. Dahlim of the INS, written in April, 1961, says the agency “recommend(s) that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted – and denial be considered. If his USC (United States Citizen) wife tries to petition for him make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”
So they actually did their jobs back then. They didn't let all of the pc to dictate policy or criminal activity at the time.
We have a con man Jim Jones type in the White House and all you hear from elitist types is, "President Obama this and President Obama that," and "BIRTHERS!" "KOOKS," "RACISTS!!!"
TO ALL OF YOU BASTARDS IN THE MEDIA AND TALK RADIO, GO TO HELL!! You sit there every day and night and talk about the liar and the damage he is doing while you're complicit in this!!!
Posted by: aprilnovember811 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 10:46 AM
with the exception of one radio talk show host, that would be Michael Savage. Michael Savage can hold his head up high. He told the truth and did the right thing.
Posted by: aprilnovember811 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 10:47 AM
IT is grand to see the USA starting to lift there heads out of sand and demand that we must must follow our laws .maybe not flawless, but can work if not use to to play to the money powers
Posted by: C.F.Orr | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Can of worms is right. It's hard to follow the convoluted facts and understand the thrust of your argument, or in other words, what do you think happened?
As far as I can see, it trends towards conception in Washington by an unknown father - which, if he wasn't a foreigner, may make Obama natural born after all! Maybe natural born excludes illegitimacy!
The other thing difficult to piece in, is what does all this information do to the born in Kenya hypothesis?
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 11:19 AM
A pres needs to B natural born there is no legal classification called "native born"
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause
Posted by: armaros | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 11:47 AM
"It is clear to me that Congress has decided twice in recent history that Natural Born means born to two U.S. citizen parents. It's ironic that Obama actually signed onto McCain's"
Two parents if born outside of the US.
Posted by: armaros | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Great thinking sDee.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Thanks for these references.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Yeah. I have a feeling this is going to break out as big as Watergate. I will be embarrassed if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm thinking and feeling.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:07 PM
And it's time to write to our congressmen! I've emailed mine last night, and Speaker Boehner also.
Posted by: Paula K. | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Oops! Does this make Obama natural born?!?! (or does illegitimate count?)
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Slow down and take a breath, Bill. The Kenyan, Obama Sr. may have never laid eyes on his alleged son. Obama II was adoped by an Indonesian, Lolo Soetoro. Otherwise the adoption is a good point to raise, as it likely negated any US citizenship Obama may have possessed. It's also likely that Obama was able to travel in Pakistan by virtue of having an Indonesian passport.
Ann Barnhardt had a great post last week where she points out that impeachment would give sanction to the lie that Obama was ever eligible to be POTUS. She is calling for his outright arrest. I've been telling people who ask me what I think of Obama for some time now that I'll be happy when they lead him out of the White House in hand cuffs.
Posted by: Richard | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:13 PM
No, the term natural refers to genealogy. Follow the link in the article.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Right. There's related issues about Indonesia not allowing dual citizenship, and only Indonesian citizens being allowed to attend public schools, which is why his school record lists his nationality as Indonesian and his religion as Muslim.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Last year sometime Justice Clarence Thomas told a reporter that the Supreme Court was "EVADING THE ISSUE OF ELIGIBILITY"! IMO, they don't want to deal with it.
It's time to force the issue. Our congressmen must be pressured to insist that this issue be resolved now, before the next election.
Posted by: Paula K. | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:21 PM
It had occurred to me before that Davis might be Obama's father, but the light bulb did not go on for me until I read this comment of yours. If Davis is Obama's father that would make him a NBC. Scary and a little wierd, eh?
Posted by: Richard | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Maybe you did not prove anything about Obama, but you made very clear to me that Darwin was wrong: If THIS is the result of millions and millions of years of evolution, then the whole system does not make any sense.
Posted by: sf2000 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:23 PM
That's what's needed here, just as we converge on some of the finer points of the issue: a fresh breath of ignorance. tolbel, you have nothing to add, please lurk quietly.
Posted by: Richard | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:24 PM
You're right, but jo is right about Obama being un-American.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Hehe..!! (We knew that already!)
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:28 PM
It's all about the rule of law, which includes both the citizenship status as an eligibility requirement and the issues you discussed which are criminal and immoral.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Not true. The immigration laws between 1952 and 1986 required that if only 1 parent was a US citizen, (Obama senior was not a US citizen), then that parent had to reside in the US for 10 years before the child's birth, and 5 of those years had to be after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born. Under the immigration rules of that time, she could not confer citizenship to him. On the other hand, if a baby was born out of wedlock, then the citizenship could be confered if the mother was a US citizen for a period of 1 year before the baby's birth.
Posted by: Cate | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Let me be a little more clear about this. The immigration rules pertained to children born ABROAD. That's why it's such a big deal where hussein was born. If his mother went to Kenya to have him, as has been stated many tinmes, under the immigration rules of that period, he does not have the status to be the president.
Posted by: Cate | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Actually, the immigration laws between 1952 and 1986 required that if a child was born abroad, and only 1 parent was a US citizen, (Obama senior was not a US citizen), then that parent had to reside in the US for 10 years before the child's birth (which she did), and 5 of those years had to be after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born. Under the immigration rules of that time, if hussein was born in Kenya, she could not confer citizenship to him. That's why it's such a big deal where he was born.
On the other hand, if a baby was born out of wedlock, then the citizenship could be confered if the mother was a US citizen for a period of 1 year before the baby's birth.
Posted by: Cate | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 12:59 PM
I am thoroughly convinced that BHO Sr. was not the father of our current president; he is probably the spawn of a US citizen, thus eliminating the ineligibility question. This does not abrogate his responsibility to tell the truth. The mounting evidence is that he fabricated much of his life history and is not the author of his book, Dreams From My Father. He continues to shield his personal information with the KGB like effort. The questions regarding his passport, travels to Pakistan, his curious Social Security# generated from Connecticut, school records, writings at the Harvard Law Review, etc., are details of consequence which will eventually be unearthed and cause his undoing. However, it may all come too late. By the time the truth comes to light, he and those who have propped him into position, may have dismantled the United States of America and will have put the world in the greatest peril it has ever known.
Posted by: FauxBoMustGo! | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:08 PM
Very true. I also want this guy to be defeated on the fact that he is an abject failure as a president. If we did succeed in getting him tossed out of office on eligibility issues, he challenges those issues, and it does in fact turn out that Davis is his father, then what? Does he get reinstated? Does he get to finish out a term, using the time period that he was out of office? If so, without researching all the details, it seems to me that the validity of the Constitution would be at stake. And frankly, he noted that he wants the Constitution changed, and believes that it doesn't serve the people of today's time. I would think if he was defeated on eligibililty issues, it would open up a much bigger can of worms.
Posted by: Cate | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:26 PM
IF Davis is the biological father then 0bama is legally qualified to be president, but the only way to know for sure would be a DNA test. Think 0bama would agree to take one?
Posted by: Bohemond1096 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:29 PM
Pamela,
excellent article!
Barrack Hussein Obama,
the original "anchor baby".
Mmm, mmm, mmm.
Posted by: Cowboy Logic | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:32 PM
Wrong. Read the Constitution. The criteria states that at least one parent has to be a natural born citizen of legal age. Obama's mother was not of legal age which disqualifies her. Therefore his father would have to meet those criteria whichObama Sr. does not.
Posted by: Bohemond1096 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:37 PM
The Senate resolution that found McCain to be eligible to be President could actually disqualify Obama.
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/04/could-a-senate-resolution-from-2008-disqualify-obama-as-president-video.html
The saga continues.
Posted by: Blue Collar Todd | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:40 PM
some youtube videos pop up where people break down the pdf into different Adobe Illustrator layers. Meaning that the document is a fake.
Posted by: Robert | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:43 PM
The only way to know for sure would be a DNA test, but I doubt 0bama will volunteer to take one...
Posted by: Bohemond1096 | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:45 PM
Yes, Cate, re can o' worms: the law moves slowly...too slowly for O. Better to just change that ol' thang (The U.S. Constitution)... maybe have it on twitter or Facebook and have the UN take a stab at it!
I have been following this birth certificate angle from 2008 and was desperately hoping that he was ineligible based on a fraudulent birth certificate/foreign birthplace, however, the legal process is too difficult and time-consuming and it would require exhaustive investigation, DNA evidence, etc and the public has no patience for this.
We should focus on his disastrous and inept policies ( I can't believe I'm saying this) and also figure out how to beat this guy in 2012 based on his incompetence. There is only one candidate ( who could win) that would not stand down to this fraud and that is Allen West. He would nullify their criticism of conservatives being racist. I love Sarah Palin, but they have marginalized and ridiculed her into a joke (she's not), and unless we think we have time to diddle while O fiddles, we have to support a person who is a warrior/patriot!
Posted by: FauxBoMustGo! | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 01:57 PM
Two things; First, if his story is true and his father is Obama Sr., then by that fact he is not a natural born citizen and is not eligible. But I would not discount the possibility that this slime ball has another possible story and that he could be some illegitimate child( which he would establish by DNA) on the eve of the election)of an American citizen. So, what would be his criminal behavior if this was the case. I think it would be worth the effort to trap the snake both ways-What activity under what laws invalidate his claimed presidency if he is an illegitimate child and/or that there was never any legal action taken subsequent to the adoption by LOLO. We need to work on the possibilities so that we are not caught off guard and that we are not led off into the weeds by him and his Democrat conspirators arguing about or investigating meaningless issues while time passes toward the election.
This whole situation is and has been unnecessary. And whether or not he is ever proved to be natural born-he is a reprehensible individual and morally unworthy of the title or position of president.
Posted by: Stock | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:02 PM
armaros, neither of the sites you sourced are reliable. Many people, including Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, can attest to the bias of Wikipedia, to put it mildly. (To say that Wikipedia slanders and lies outright would be blunt but true.)
Coincidentally, the usconstitution.net site was discussed just a couple of days ago at P&E News. The site's webmaster, Steve Mount, has apparently decided that his bachelors degree in political science and the audit of one course in Constitutional Law make him a Constitutional scholar. Even more coincidentally, he admittedly used his own language and definition of "natural born citizen" on the very page that you cite here, calling it "common sense."
The piece and following discussion at P&E News: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/28/when-did-the-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-change-part-ii/
The portion pertaining to the page you cited:
http://www.usconstitution.net/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=sugg;action=display;num=1297792676;start=0
A forum member wanted to know the origin of this verbiage used at usconstitution.net:
“Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.”
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Almost two weeks later Steve Mount, “Webmaster and researcher for USConstitution.net,” responded with this:
The source of the quoted material is my own text. It doesn’t come from the State Department or anywhere else. It is, however, just a matter of common sense. The law, as linked to, defined all persons as citizens at birth. “Citizen at birth” is a synonym for “natural born.” Ergo, if you’re a citizen at birth, you are eligible to be President or Vice President. Anyone who is a citizen, but not a citizen at birth, is not eligible to be President nor Vice President.
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Who is Steve Mount? http://www.usconstitution.net/sjjm.html
He’s someone so impressed with himself that he posts his assumptions as facts and even answers questions about the Constitution with the confidence of a Constitutional scholar. http://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq.html
Unfortunately, confidence doesn’t equal qualification or knowledge.
At the top and the bottom of each page at the usconstitution.net site should be a notice or disclaimer letting users know that the text includes interpretations of the Constitution made by the webmaster, whose sole qualification is the audit of one course in Constitutional law.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:12 PM
Thanks for clarifying that, Cate.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:14 PM
Absolutely.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:15 PM
Yes and no. Address his failure, but stand firm on the Constitution as the supreme law of the land.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:17 PM
For the purpose of citizenship, all that matters is who was named the father at the time of birth and whose name appears on the birth certificate. That is the man from whom citizenship is inherited. Biology is irrelevant.
How a later adoption by another man/father might affect that, I don't know. For all I know, an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro may be living in the White House today.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:20 PM
For the purpose of citizenship, all that matters is who was named the father at the time of birth and whose name appears on the birth certificate. That is the man from whom citizenship is inherited. Biology is irrelevant.
How a later adoption by another man/father might affect that, I don't know. For all I know, an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro may be living in the White House today.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:21 PM
Ugh. Interesting or not, I wish this show had never been. I'd much rather have been bored and looking for something to read and study for the past few years. Hell, I might have even resorted to following American Idol.
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:26 PM
Both are of equal importance. Actually, that he's sitting in the Oval Office illegally falls under the umbrella of "lying and committing fraud and being so flippant about these very real CRIMES!"
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:27 PM
Would this give further information?
"The real smoking gun, however, is Davis’s declassified 600-page FBI file, which was recently released through a freedom-of-information request by a fellow researcher. A cursory glance at these pages — which include accounts by informants and eyewitnesses — quickly reveals that Davis was a Communist. As evidence for readers, we have isolated and published about a dozen pages from the file in the appendix of my book, including one that lists Davis’s actual Communist-party number: 47544."
From here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/248877/obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-paul-kengor?page=3
Posted by: juniper | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:30 PM
"The other thing difficult to piece in, is what does all this information do to the born in Kenya hypothesis?"
I've been wondering about that and have come to the conclusion that those who are behind this usurpation of the Executive Branch of our govt have intentionally released disinformation to confuse those of us trying to follow the story and put it all together in a way that makes sense and to lead those performing formal investigations of the actual trail and down wrong paths to dead ends. Either the bits that support the Kenyan birth theory or the bits supporting the illegitimate birth theory are disinformation because they don't jibe. I think the time I spent reading through the Heather Smathers FOIA release were time wasted on disinformation. Why this release on not the Kenyan birth bits? Because this FOIA release is alleged to have been withheld from the public by the Boston Globe for two years and because the alleged source of every piece of its contents originate from a federal govt agency or agencies, whereas the quotes and news pieces supporting the Kenyan birth theory are from many different sources and people. Also, the Kenyan birth theory can actually be supported by an abstract birth certificate like the one presented last week by the White House. (I'm looking for the link to the article that explains how and I'll post the link as soon as I find it.)
Posted by: AuntieMadder | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 02:52 PM
The wiki page cites the common law definition of "natural born".
According to that, Obama is natural born as he was born in the USA to an American mother. End of story. Unless someone can prove he was born somewhere else.
The shadiness in my view is not his place of birth. I do believe he was born in Hawaii. The reason for that is that had he been born in Kenya or Indonesia or some other IIIrd world country, someone would have produced evidence of his birth there.
What I am open to believing is like this post by Pamela suggests, that the person in the WH may not legally be Barak Obama. As either the marriage of his parents was void and/or Barak Sr may have not been his real father.
The constitution didn't provide for illegitimate children to grow up as presidents. In those times, bastard children were adopted or sent off to the military or into shipping.
As for constitution.net.
The list of qualifiers are no interpretations. They are the real list. The rest of the site may contain interpretations.
I welcome you citing the real text.
Posted by: armaros | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:00 PM
Good thinking. I would think that a good PI on the ground in Kenya could get to the bottom of this pretty quickly, and maybe grease some wheels to get the real birth certificate. I wonder if Corsi has done so.
Posted by: John K | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:06 PM
Upon a moment's reflection, I think you are correct AM. That is a huge power that is still conferred upon the mother, the power to establish legal paternity of the child by doing no more than naming the father. A lot of guys get trapped into child support because they are unaware they have been named by the mother as the father at the time of birth. I think that legally the man may object and has some period of time to prove or disprove paternity. But it certainly looks like Obama Sr made no objection to being named as the father. It's done then, doesn't matter who may be Obama's real father, the matter can only be considered from a legal standpoint from the consideration that Obama Sr is the father.
If Davis is Obama's father, and I think it's quite possible, how fitting that he eventually got to raise his son (albeit to be a commie puke).
Posted by: Richard | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:23 PM
Grasping at straws I see.
Posted by: J P rigg | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:29 PM
United States liberals have overthrown the United States and the constitution and all you conservatives can do is whine about it on blogs? The world is laughing at you. This was the easiest conquering of any nation in the history of humankind. Conservatives are such push overs -- When push comes to shove (like it did in 2008 and ever since) conservatives don't even have the gonads to rise up in armed rebellion. Sure , they make veiled threats of armed uprising for 2 years now but so far you guys have shown you lack the courage of your convictions.
Posted by: Jason Alexander | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:32 PM
This nation will be an islamic nation soon .. Because conservatives are just a bunch of lazy pussies who talk a lot of big talk on their little computers in their little trailers. You pussies couldn't even stop our mosque from being built in NYC ... Really, you white crackerjacks are going to be SO EASY to dominate.
Posted by: J P rigg | Sunday, May 01, 2011 at 03:34 PM