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Saturday, April 30, 2011

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  • An Illegitimate Child, An Illegitimate President: Despite Multiple Attempts, "No Comment" from the White House
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Dang Ms. Geller, you sure know how to research/write. It's a pity MSM isn't doing their job and you're doing it for them. You should be teaching investigative journalism.

Question for MSM:
If Osama Bin Laden married an American woman in Saudi Arabia and she had the baby delivered in America, then would that child be eligible to be president?
http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/osama-and-obama/

Question 2 for MSM:
Police officers and bartenders are trained to identify fake IDs. Why does the MSM assume that the released BC is prima facie evidence of truth? There are MANY questions about that which are obvious to anyone with DTP or Illustration backgrounds.

Follow up question:
IF Osama Bin Laden married an American woman who was one of several wives (not the 1st) and she had the baby delivered in America, then would that child be eligible to be president?
Is Obama's grandmother a liar when she said she was there in Kenya when he was born?

When Barack was born, he punished his mother by being her baby that resulted from a tryst.

Tank you Pamela for including the Natural Born Citizen issue. He was never eligible BC or no BC.

Article 2 Section 1 is simple to understand, as is the Founders reasoning for it. Even many defenders of the Constitution seem oh so willing to brush it aside. It is not vague - it even provided for a one-time exception to allow original settlers and founders whose parents were not US citizens to run for President.

It is not outdated. Had Obama's father been Vladimir Putin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad instead of a Kenyan exchange student, the wisdom of the Founders becomes crystal clear.

Many say the second amendment is outdated too. We have to defend all of the Constitution per the Founders intent, not just the convenient parts.

Thank you dittos for covering the Natural Born Citizen issue. The bots are DESPERATE to redefine it as having 1 US citizen parent. They will push this to save their arses.

The Law of Nations (IN the Constitution) defines Natural Born Citizen as born in-country of parents who are its citizens.
SR511 agrees (Obama cosponsored it)
Bingham agrees (he wrote the 14th amendment)
"A Child of an Alien is NOT a Natural Born Citizen" summary of US v. wong Kim Ark (and p.s. the bots always lie and try to apply British Common Law but we do not use that, we are not subjects, we are citizens)
"No Child of a Singular US Citizen Parent is a Natural Born Citizen" summary of Minor v. Happersett which holds no 14th amendment (0, and 1 US citizen parent) are ever a natural born citizen

Plus much more, it's out there, they'd have to overturn numerous SCOTUS holdings, rewrite history, logic, laws, to redefine NBC, but since they're desperate, they're going to try to pull this with their completely criminal SCOTUS.

I know, she's a freaking genius.

2 men, Woodward and Bernstein were to Watergate as
1 woman, Ms. Pamela Geller is to Obamagate.

Obama put out the no-seal long form glowing green thing because of this FIOA and Corsi andTrump and also because they WANT another candidate to try to say it's bogus so they can try to change the definition of NBC in their corrupt SCOTUS.

Just take his admissions on face value, Wong and Minor already HOLD that Obama is not a natural born citizen!!

By the way, then envahisseur embedded enemy combatant espionage agent running the illegal war killed 2 of Qadafi's grandkids and his youngest son

Congress is guilty of misprison of felony

and misprison of treason
they think they're being cute by being silent, but they being criminals in violation of their oaths

Also I notice that page 34 or so which is handwritten looks bogus since Stanley Ann did not attend Washington State University (in southeast corner of state)

She's got the majority of the country 100,000% behind her too

Pam should go meet LTC Terry Lakin, MD the day he's released from Leavenworth (he was imprisoned for asking for Obama's cred to be CIC)

"The Boston Globe got the immigration file in 2009, why did they sit on it? "

OHH, OHHH, I KNOW THIS ONE, TEACHER, PICK ME, PICK MEEEEEEEE!!"

[Ahem]

Because the Boston Glob has spent the past ~50 years serving as the most fanatically servile, devious, deviant and dishonest arm of the Progressive movement in America, esp when the Kennedy call comes in on the Batphone. Before the Bolshevik empire collapsed, many of the Glob's writers (both news and editorial) were even more pro-Soviet than writers for the Nation. The late Randolph Ryan was a particularly dishonorable swine in this regard. Oh, and don't forget the truthless Tom Oliphant, the poor man's Sidney Blumenthal.

Many of the NYT's vilest writers apprenticed at the Glob.

So why expect the Glob to do anything BUT bury a story that wd hurt Obama? The day they run something against him will be the day they conclude he needs to be ousted by a more viable communist. Or it will be an accident.

Who is reporter Heather Smathers? A young reporter who is NOT in a coma, or the tank, like the rest of those worthless bumkissers:
https://www.facebook.com/Heather.Smathers

Pamela, Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a communist peadophile and pornographer who had his friend Obama Sr.marry Stanley Ann Dunham after he (Davis) got her pregnant while she was still a teenager. The marriage gave her a husband and him American citizenship.
http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog/?p=12

http://www.dailypaul.com/100605/frank-marshal-davis-is-obamas-real-father

can what obama´s parents did or did not do disqualify obamas rights? can illegitimate birth disqualify his rights? can his lying to the nation disqualify his rights?... what a terrible disservice obama has done to the black people of america... is the people of usa big enough to not blame the black people for obama´s betrayal of the people of usa? what a horrendous situation obama and his followers have created!!! don´t forget his followers, his followers in high places who refused to identify obama properly... they are the true perpetrators of this wholesale betrayal of usa;without their support this whole conondrum could not have evolved.

Unfortunately yes.

What the founders wanted to prevent was a spy immigrant. They assumed that a person born in America is someone who will be known by his community. America was a small town country.
In other words, the danger of a sleeper spy is reduced if not eliminated. They were specifically concerned about Britain as it was both the greatest threat to the new nation but also its biggest trading partner and greatest source of immigrants.
Back then it was hard to determine fatherhood. A bastard child was typically adopted so that the stigma would not carry with him. People were also born on ships. On the way from England for example. People could also be born abroad as travel was slow so if an Ambassador or travelling trader had kids, they needed a way to preserve their citizenship. This is also why women didn't travel much with their husbands. To make sure that kids were born at home.

Imagine if an American woman gives birth to a child in America she doesn't know the father of. Something which happens all too often.

Would such a child have go through immigration?

Would then that child not be American? Because he couldn't prove his father was an American?
This is why they settled on the one parent and the place of birth. Actually a Mexican giving birth in the USA will result in an American child.


This is why it was settled that the person needs to be born in the USA or specifically be "natural born" which can mean born outside of the USA but in that case having to have both parents Americans.

The issue with Obama is not where he was born. Unless someone can prove he wasn't born in the USA, he will remain as natural born.
What is possible is that the person in the WH may not be Barak Obama. If his mother in some way falsified papers or the identity of the father.
That is a new can of worms and I suppose having a false identity may disqualify one from the presidency.

Did The Standard - Kenya Online Edition, June 26, 2004, lie when they reported that "Kenyan-born Obama All Set for US Senate?" Or...

...Snopes.com online 'Fact Checker' when they said that Barack Obama Was Born in Kenya-see 21 Apr 2008 Snopes Article.

...AP-NewsTimesOnline-Ghana News, Nov 4, 2008, reported that "A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitered on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rival, Senator McCain."

...Uganda Monitor, Feb 16, 2008, reported that "Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan-born Senator Barack Obama for the US Presidency."

...The Nigerian Observer, Nov 4, 2008, reported that Senator Obama was favored to win, but "[t]he Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face stiff competition."

...Modern Ghana News, July 2009, in a report on Barky's trip to Cairo, "the first ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

...During the Kenyan National Assembly of March 25, 2010, when the Minister of Lands, James Orengo said. "If America was living in a situation where they feared
ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man
born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of
America?"

...During the Kenyan National Assembly of Nov 5, 2008, when Ms. Odhiambo said, "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour. I, therefore, seek leave of the House that we adjourn to discuss the issue."

Were all of these news organizations and Kenyan government officials liars when they said Barky was born in Kenya (or on the continent of Africa)?
http://www.scribd.com/collections/2441535/African-Official-Government-Records-News-Accounts

If Obamas mother was 17 when she got pregnant and he was 25 (or a variety of older ages) would that not have qualified as statutory rape in that state?

In 2008, John McCain was vetted by the Congress and a Resolution was passed, co-signed by Barack Obama himself, stating that McCain was Natural Born therefore was eligible to run for President because he was born to 2 U.S.citizen parents.
In 1968, George Romney was vetted by the Congress and it was declared that, although he was born in Mexico,
he was Natural Born because he was born to two U.S. citizen parents.
It is clear to me that Congress has decided twice in recent history that Natural Born means born to two U.S. citizen parents. It's ironic that Obama actually signed onto McCain's!

A related issue: foreigners come to the U.S. every day of the week to have their babies here so they will have a U.S. citizen child. They take the birth certificate and return to their home countries. That child may never learn to speak English, or speak with a foreign accent, never attend American schools, know anything about American history and values, yet if he manages to spend 14 years resident in this country after the age of 35 he can run for President of the U.S. It's obvious to me that the Founders wanted the child to have been born to two U.S. citizen parents so that child would be embued with American values from birth.

Excuse me: Correction in first line of previous message which should read: "co-sponsored by Barack Obama himself".

Fortunately, you're wrong. Unfortunately, millions of others also falsely equate native born citizenship with natural born citizenship.

"Would then that child not be American? Because he couldn't prove his father was an American?
This is why they settled on the one parent and the place of birth."
...to establish native born citizenship, also called born citizenship, which is not equal to natural born citizenship.

Complicating the issue is the understanding that Barry Sotoro was adopted by the Kenyan, and thus gave up any US citizenship. Where are the adoption records? And again, would they not have been noted on the original BC? When the whole truth and nothing but the truth comes out soon, BHO is going to be deep in hot H2O!

He was more than 5 years older than her, so in Hawaii, that is considered rape. I don't believe sharia was recognized in Hawaii in 1961.

Wow, terrific Atlas...you were one of the first to see clearly what was going on with this issue.

Thank you for all you do!

I have no doubt Obama is exactly who he says he is: the son of a polygamist white hating communist and a white hating communist.

Wow, thank you AuntieMadder - this looks like a gold mine Ma'am. Apologies for the other day as well Ma'am as I wanted to thank you for your help regarding eligibility but got distracted.

/If the American public allows BO to ignore such a basic requirement regarding eligibility, than they deserve what they get as the rule of law no longer means anything. I can't imagine a police officer letting an 8-year old drive a car if the law states 16 at a minimum. Nor can I imagine a bartender letting in underage drinkers with suspicious IDs. We should all be much more vigilant than police officers and bartenders.

2008 - Idiots voted for Hope and Change
2012 - No Hope, Chump Change unless the rule of law is followed NOW. Those who think tyranny can't happen in America are ignorant of history.

http://newstime.co.nz/video-facebook-obama-lies-on-his-birth-certificate-hq.html
Video (Facebook): Obama lies on His Birth Certificate [HQ]
At about 05:30 Obama’s borther George who live in Kenya
for only 1 (one) Dollar per month (Ref. CNN)
Obama does not spend a dollar for him

I left this in a comment at P&E News Saturday. Since it's about this same bunch of released documents, I thought it might be helpful to some here.

I’m paging through the Heather Smathers scribd files now and coming across inconsistencies. For example, page 35 is a copy of an App to Extend Time of Temp Stay, signed and dated by Obama Sr on Aug 31, 1961. Field 7 is marriage status, in which Obama Sr entered “married.” Next to it is the space for the name and address of spouse, in which he wrote “Ann S Dunham, Honolulu, Hawaii.” In the space beneath, it reads, “If married, give name and addresses of children.” It was left blank.

Page 39 is a copy of “MEMO FOR FILE” dated April 12, 1961. The first paragraph is a note about Obama Sr having married Stanley Anne Dunham on Feb 2, 1961 and that being a problem because he has a wife in Kenya. It appears that something was redacted in the middle of the third paragraph. The fifth paragraph instructs that he be closely questioned if he applies for another extension and that should the “USC” (US citizen?) wife petition for him to stay, “make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”

In a hand-written note by William Wood (scribd page 34), dated 8/31/1961, he wrote “They have a child born in Honolulu on 8/4/1961 – Barack Obama II, child living with mother…” The next part, in parenthesis, is difficult to read but I think Wood was saying that mother and child live with her parents and Obama Sr lives at a different address.

Page 27 is an Application to Extend Temp Stay dated Aug 17, 1962. Obama Sr identifies himself as married in Field 7, does not name his wife, and lists as his child Roy Obama.

Page 25 is another App to Extend Temp Stay, this one dated June 6, 1963. There are question marks in the fields for marriage status and name of spouse. Name and addresses of children was left blank.

On page 21 in a hand written note is something about a possible wife in Cambridge. Then the next few pages are about another girl, probably a girlfriend, who, at his advice, left the US to visit someone in London. In the typed portion it’s noted that he didn’t left blank the portions about marriage status on the I-539. “After the alien stated he was married, he said he was separated and that they may get a divorce.” it goes on to say that the wife from Honolulu is now in Philippines and that he had a wife in Kenya when he arrived in 1959.
~~~~~~~~~~~

I have to stop for now. What I’m getting from this is either 1) Obama Sr was a womanizer who easily lost track of the old gal and their kids whenever he found a new gal and Stanley Anne was just one of the women he knocked up and then discarded, kids and all; or 2) Stanley Anne Dunham, either because she’d fallen for Obama Sr or because she was a rebel who’d easily “stick it to The Man” for another rebel, especially when The Man was a US taxpayer and the fellow rebel was a foreigner with communist/socialist leanings, allowed Obama Sr to claim they were married on his App for Extended Temp Stay, thinking it would automatically extend his stay. I think #2 makes more sense because he claimed Stanley Anne as his wife on the Aug 31, 1961 form but not her son. If the child was his son, listing him would have helped his case even more. So, to me, it seems that the only reason not to claim the child is because the child wasn’t his. But then who was born in Kenya that August in 1961 whose deliver was witnessed by step-grandmother Obama, who passed through her hands, and who do the Kenyan Prime Ministers think is sitting in the White House today?

Also this:

“Sally Jacobs is later identified as a member of the Globe staff and the author of “The Other Barack, The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama’s Father,’’ to be published in July.
This revelation — that the Boston Globe had these documents since 2009 — could be the biggest story of all, and it certainly has me rethinking the role of journalism in rural America.”
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/boston-globe-reporter-hid-information-on-obamas-father-from-the-public-for-2-years/

Is this true? Is it the reason it took so long for the Globe to release the documents to the public? I don’t know. I’m growing increasingly suspicious about anything and everything I read and hear because I’ve got a hunch that the news pipelines are now being pumped full of disinformation. Their desire to confuse is, of course, because of Trump’s public demands for Barky’s birth certificate and now his school records and as a preemptive strike at Corsi’s book.

He is only America because by birth, but as for being American I doubt very much that he is an American in his heart. His father is from Kenya ,his mother from Britain and most of his life he lived in Jakata and also speaks the language. When he came to Britain he diregarde the queen and showed contempt by not bowing as it is a respectfall thing in Britain . Instead he bows to the Sheik in Saudia Arabia and takes his shoes of to enter a mosque then kisses the Quran. This act showed all christians what he is about, he is a dangerous man and mislead all of us hich he is doing now. It is not because he is black it is because he is hoity, he thinks he can do what he likes because he is the president of the united states. Barack obamah in Britain is not liked, he says he is culturly mixed but has no respect for european countries where we have been alies with America for centuries despite our histories. The European countries could turn against America if he stays president for longer than his turn. He is totally un-American, disresectfal, like Geert Wilders said protect freedom because America could become and is becoming islamised. The islamists are making a mokery out of America's kindness and hospitality we can see it creeping up on America from here in europe.

AMERICA WAKE UP GET RID OF OBAMAH AS HE IS YOUR DOWNFALL. iF HE BOWS AND KISSES THE SHEIK AND THE QURAN .................WHAT IS THIS TELLING YOU!!!!!! HE HAS TO GO............!!!!!!!! HE IS A DANGEROUS MAN......IT IS NOT ABOUT THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN , SO WHAT! IT IS ABOUT HIS IDEALS ..HE SYMPATHISIS WITH THE EXTREEMISTS.......THE ISLAMISTS...........DONT FORGET HE HAS ALREADY BEEN TAUGHT THE QUARAN...HE IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE WESTEN CULTURE OF HIS MOTHER AND THE IDEOLODGY OF HIS FATHERS BELIEF, THEREFORE HE CANNOT LEAD THE COUNTRY WITH HIS FEET FIRMLY ON THE GROUND, WHEN HE IS IN TWO MINDS AND TWO WORLDS...............

I don't remember anyone owing me any thanks, but since you think you do, then you're welcome.

The scribd.com collection that I linked to is that of attorney Mario Apuzzo. Here's his blog site address: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ Of the "birther" attorneys (Denofrio, Taitz, Berg, etc.), I think Apuzzo's work is the best. It's probably just a matter of how each of us relate to their arguments and strategies, and I relate best to Apuzzo's. He has what must be thousands of hours of research written into essays at his site. If you're not already familiar with it, then you should visit it.

There's an older Associated Press report, one announcing the "Kenyan-born Obama" being elected to the US Senate, that Apuzzo doesn't currently have. If I can find it again, I'll share it here and with him.

Isn't it something how the AP has churned out a mountain of reports denigrating "birthers" and stating with certainty and authority that Barky was born in Hawaii when their agency had identified him as Kenyan-born numerous times before his 2008 run for POTUS? Fucking liars.

OBAMHA HAS TWO MINDS AND TWO FACES LIKE THE ISLAMISTS EXTREEMISTS...WHAT HE PORTRAYS TO THE WORLD IS NOT WHAT HE ACTUALLY BELEIVES.. IF HE IS REALECTED HE WILL CAUSE MORE CHAOS, AS WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE CHAOS HE HAS CAUSED AND THE BITTER TASTE LEFT IN OUR MOUTHS BY HIS ACTIONS.

And then he grew up to punish us all.

His mother was American, not British. Kenyan Obama Sr was a British subject because Britain made Kenya a Crown Colony in 1920. Some say he inherited American citizenship from his mother, giving him duel citizenship (American and British) at birth; others say that, at 18 years of age in 1961, she wasn't old enough to pass down American citizenship to him and so he was born a British subject.

Kenya declared its independence from Britain Dec 12, 1963, so Kenyans today are citizens of Kenya and not British subjects as Obama Sr was. http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/kenya.htm

TRUTH WILL OUT.

Good one, Lenin-McCarthy, very sharp ;-)

Pamela, consider this: if Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's birth father, that would mean he is eligible to be President since Davis was an American citizen. ircumstantial evidence seems to support this since the nude photos of Stanley Ann Dunham indicate they were taken around November or December as there are Christmas decorations in the photos. That would mesh with the time she conceived Obama. Since Barack Obama Sr.was a muslim he would not have celebrated Christmas or any Christian holiday, which lends more credence to Davis being his biological father. If Obama claims Obama Sr. as his father, that would make him ineligible, regardless if Dunahm and Obama Sr. were married or not. (It's doubtful if Davis and Ann Dunham knew each other in Seattle since she was born in 1942 and he moved to Hawaii in 1948...

How 99% of the politcans behave :-)

There is only ONE Islam. Muslim is Muslim!

http://schnellmann.org/taqiyyah.html
03:00 TWO faces to the West … 03:45 Quran 3:28
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (3 Al'imran) THE greatest Quran commentator
— “… believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly
but NEVER INWARDLY...

Abu Darda — “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts CURSE THEM....”

I'm of the opinion that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's father. Can't prove it, of course.

But if Davis is Obama's father and Obama knew that, then Dreams of My Father is a hoax and a fraud.

Completely nuts... Obama is a citizen because he was born to a citizen - his mother. He is also a citizen by virtue of being born on US soil. His father could be a Martian and he would still be a citizen.

I'm so confused, I assumed both Obama's parents were American Citizens?

It should - obviously - neever be the case that the father's bloodline takes any precedence over the mother's.

....may imply Ann was pregnant in Seattle.
In book 'Malcolm X' by Haley there is a chapter that talks about the crisis which caused Malcolm to leave NOI. It had to do with Elijah Muhammed's involvement with diverse secretaries. Those secretaries after their accusations were brought before a Muslim court and convicted of adultery and banned from the community. That's right, Sharia style somewhere around 1960. Now understanding that the civil rights movement(south) and the black nation movement(North) operated from different core values. Any mixed child that may have been bred within the movement , especially from 1959 - 1963 as this crisis errupts, the mother would have been smart to take off. It is easier for a child to be schooled later than earlier, and they are more likely to excel. I have seen immigrants do this. Even easier if early school years are in another country.

Poosh
0 US citizen parent = person can naturalize by oath as adult (there is no jus soli only laws in USA despite wide misconceptions)
1 US citizen parent = naturalized at birth US citizen

but

2 US citizens born on US soil = natural born citizen, the requirement for president (Article II)

the enemedia has done a FINE JOB at mass confusion operations on the American public

tell me, are you being dishonest with us or do you actually just notknow that a statutory citizen cannot be a legal president?

do you even know the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen based on article II?

I want to figure out where this "citizen can be president" misnomer originated, the press, or what?

I know it's all very interesting but legally an impotent route we have to go by his testimony (which Trump succeeded in affirming).
Based on that alone, Obama is not a natural born citizen (born incountry of parents who are its citizens) and is not a legal president. Roberts swore in a usurper, knowing he was not eligible, as did Obama (because he cosponsored SR511 which agrees with the known definition of NBC).

But I will say I had older relatives growing up who joked about so-and-so being the lost son of Malcolm X...but I just thought it was a joke.

"President Hussein Obama is not natural born. His father was not a US citizen, he is, by that very fact, disqualified to serve as US President."

That's correct. The birth certificate issue merits investigation in its own right due to the many implications it has, but even without the birth certificate, there never has been any dispute over the fact that Obama's father is not a US citizen, so therefore, Obama is not a natural-born citizen. Leftists brush this off and act like being born to an American mother is the same as being natural-born. This is only one of many issues where the rule of law is disregarded in the Obama administration.

This is getting GOOD!!!!! fuck Idol, OBummah is the show of the century!!!!!!

HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!!!!!! A TIME TO IMPEACH!!!!!!

Eccelesiates, Chap III, Verse 6: "A time to get, and a time to lose, a time to keep AND A TIME TO CAST AWAY". damn prophetic, eh?

Whether his father isn't a citizen to me isn't as much an issue as a man gaining the position of POTUS lying and committing fraud and being so flippant about these very real CRIMES!

Despite the fact that BHO I had married Dunham, the government wasn't buying it:

A memo from Lyle H. Dahlim of the INS, written in April, 1961, says the agency “recommend(s) that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted – and denial be considered. If his USC (United States Citizen) wife tries to petition for him make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”

So they actually did their jobs back then. They didn't let all of the pc to dictate policy or criminal activity at the time.

We have a con man Jim Jones type in the White House and all you hear from elitist types is, "President Obama this and President Obama that," and "BIRTHERS!" "KOOKS," "RACISTS!!!"

TO ALL OF YOU BASTARDS IN THE MEDIA AND TALK RADIO, GO TO HELL!! You sit there every day and night and talk about the liar and the damage he is doing while you're complicit in this!!!

with the exception of one radio talk show host, that would be Michael Savage. Michael Savage can hold his head up high. He told the truth and did the right thing.

IT is grand to see the USA starting to lift there heads out of sand and demand that we must must follow our laws .maybe not flawless, but can work if not use to to play to the money powers

Can of worms is right. It's hard to follow the convoluted facts and understand the thrust of your argument, or in other words, what do you think happened?

As far as I can see, it trends towards conception in Washington by an unknown father - which, if he wasn't a foreigner, may make Obama natural born after all! Maybe natural born excludes illegitimacy!

The other thing difficult to piece in, is what does all this information do to the born in Kenya hypothesis?

A pres needs to B natural born there is no legal classification called "native born"

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause

"It is clear to me that Congress has decided twice in recent history that Natural Born means born to two U.S. citizen parents. It's ironic that Obama actually signed onto McCain's"

Two parents if born outside of the US.

Great thinking sDee.

Thanks for these references.

Yeah. I have a feeling this is going to break out as big as Watergate. I will be embarrassed if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm thinking and feeling.

And it's time to write to our congressmen! I've emailed mine last night, and Speaker Boehner also.

Oops! Does this make Obama natural born?!?! (or does illegitimate count?)

Slow down and take a breath, Bill. The Kenyan, Obama Sr. may have never laid eyes on his alleged son. Obama II was adoped by an Indonesian, Lolo Soetoro. Otherwise the adoption is a good point to raise, as it likely negated any US citizenship Obama may have possessed. It's also likely that Obama was able to travel in Pakistan by virtue of having an Indonesian passport.

Ann Barnhardt had a great post last week where she points out that impeachment would give sanction to the lie that Obama was ever eligible to be POTUS. She is calling for his outright arrest. I've been telling people who ask me what I think of Obama for some time now that I'll be happy when they lead him out of the White House in hand cuffs.

No, the term natural refers to genealogy. Follow the link in the article.

Right. There's related issues about Indonesia not allowing dual citizenship, and only Indonesian citizens being allowed to attend public schools, which is why his school record lists his nationality as Indonesian and his religion as Muslim.

Last year sometime Justice Clarence Thomas told a reporter that the Supreme Court was "EVADING THE ISSUE OF ELIGIBILITY"! IMO, they don't want to deal with it.
It's time to force the issue. Our congressmen must be pressured to insist that this issue be resolved now, before the next election.

It had occurred to me before that Davis might be Obama's father, but the light bulb did not go on for me until I read this comment of yours. If Davis is Obama's father that would make him a NBC. Scary and a little wierd, eh?

Maybe you did not prove anything about Obama, but you made very clear to me that Darwin was wrong: If THIS is the result of millions and millions of years of evolution, then the whole system does not make any sense.

That's what's needed here, just as we converge on some of the finer points of the issue: a fresh breath of ignorance. tolbel, you have nothing to add, please lurk quietly.

You're right, but jo is right about Obama being un-American.

Hehe..!! (We knew that already!)

It's all about the rule of law, which includes both the citizenship status as an eligibility requirement and the issues you discussed which are criminal and immoral.

Not true. The immigration laws between 1952 and 1986 required that if only 1 parent was a US citizen, (Obama senior was not a US citizen), then that parent had to reside in the US for 10 years before the child's birth, and 5 of those years had to be after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born. Under the immigration rules of that time, she could not confer citizenship to him. On the other hand, if a baby was born out of wedlock, then the citizenship could be confered if the mother was a US citizen for a period of 1 year before the baby's birth.

Let me be a little more clear about this. The immigration rules pertained to children born ABROAD. That's why it's such a big deal where hussein was born. If his mother went to Kenya to have him, as has been stated many tinmes, under the immigration rules of that period, he does not have the status to be the president.

Actually, the immigration laws between 1952 and 1986 required that if a child was born abroad, and only 1 parent was a US citizen, (Obama senior was not a US citizen), then that parent had to reside in the US for 10 years before the child's birth (which she did), and 5 of those years had to be after the age of 14. His mother was only 18 when he was born. Under the immigration rules of that time, if hussein was born in Kenya, she could not confer citizenship to him. That's why it's such a big deal where he was born.

On the other hand, if a baby was born out of wedlock, then the citizenship could be confered if the mother was a US citizen for a period of 1 year before the baby's birth.

I am thoroughly convinced that BHO Sr. was not the father of our current president; he is probably the spawn of a US citizen, thus eliminating the ineligibility question. This does not abrogate his responsibility to tell the truth. The mounting evidence is that he fabricated much of his life history and is not the author of his book, Dreams From My Father. He continues to shield his personal information with the KGB like effort. The questions regarding his passport, travels to Pakistan, his curious Social Security# generated from Connecticut, school records, writings at the Harvard Law Review, etc., are details of consequence which will eventually be unearthed and cause his undoing. However, it may all come too late. By the time the truth comes to light, he and those who have propped him into position, may have dismantled the United States of America and will have put the world in the greatest peril it has ever known.

Very true. I also want this guy to be defeated on the fact that he is an abject failure as a president. If we did succeed in getting him tossed out of office on eligibility issues, he challenges those issues, and it does in fact turn out that Davis is his father, then what? Does he get reinstated? Does he get to finish out a term, using the time period that he was out of office? If so, without researching all the details, it seems to me that the validity of the Constitution would be at stake. And frankly, he noted that he wants the Constitution changed, and believes that it doesn't serve the people of today's time. I would think if he was defeated on eligibililty issues, it would open up a much bigger can of worms.

IF Davis is the biological father then 0bama is legally qualified to be president, but the only way to know for sure would be a DNA test. Think 0bama would agree to take one?

Pamela,
excellent article!

Barrack Hussein Obama,
the original "anchor baby".

Mmm, mmm, mmm.

Wrong. Read the Constitution. The criteria states that at least one parent has to be a natural born citizen of legal age. Obama's mother was not of legal age which disqualifies her. Therefore his father would have to meet those criteria whichObama Sr. does not.

The Senate resolution that found McCain to be eligible to be President could actually disqualify Obama.

http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/04/could-a-senate-resolution-from-2008-disqualify-obama-as-president-video.html

The saga continues.

some youtube videos pop up where people break down the pdf into different Adobe Illustrator layers. Meaning that the document is a fake.

The only way to know for sure would be a DNA test, but I doubt 0bama will volunteer to take one...

Yes, Cate, re can o' worms: the law moves slowly...too slowly for O. Better to just change that ol' thang (The U.S. Constitution)... maybe have it on twitter or Facebook and have the UN take a stab at it!
I have been following this birth certificate angle from 2008 and was desperately hoping that he was ineligible based on a fraudulent birth certificate/foreign birthplace, however, the legal process is too difficult and time-consuming and it would require exhaustive investigation, DNA evidence, etc and the public has no patience for this.
We should focus on his disastrous and inept policies ( I can't believe I'm saying this) and also figure out how to beat this guy in 2012 based on his incompetence. There is only one candidate ( who could win) that would not stand down to this fraud and that is Allen West. He would nullify their criticism of conservatives being racist. I love Sarah Palin, but they have marginalized and ridiculed her into a joke (she's not), and unless we think we have time to diddle while O fiddles, we have to support a person who is a warrior/patriot!

Two things; First, if his story is true and his father is Obama Sr., then by that fact he is not a natural born citizen and is not eligible. But I would not discount the possibility that this slime ball has another possible story and that he could be some illegitimate child( which he would establish by DNA) on the eve of the election)of an American citizen. So, what would be his criminal behavior if this was the case. I think it would be worth the effort to trap the snake both ways-What activity under what laws invalidate his claimed presidency if he is an illegitimate child and/or that there was never any legal action taken subsequent to the adoption by LOLO. We need to work on the possibilities so that we are not caught off guard and that we are not led off into the weeds by him and his Democrat conspirators arguing about or investigating meaningless issues while time passes toward the election.
This whole situation is and has been unnecessary. And whether or not he is ever proved to be natural born-he is a reprehensible individual and morally unworthy of the title or position of president.

armaros, neither of the sites you sourced are reliable. Many people, including Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, can attest to the bias of Wikipedia, to put it mildly. (To say that Wikipedia slanders and lies outright would be blunt but true.)

Coincidentally, the usconstitution.net site was discussed just a couple of days ago at P&E News. The site's webmaster, Steve Mount, has apparently decided that his bachelors degree in political science and the audit of one course in Constitutional Law make him a Constitutional scholar. Even more coincidentally, he admittedly used his own language and definition of "natural born citizen" on the very page that you cite here, calling it "common sense."

The piece and following discussion at P&E News: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/28/when-did-the-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-change-part-ii/

The portion pertaining to the page you cited:

http://www.usconstitution.net/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=sugg;action=display;num=1297792676;start=0
A forum member wanted to know the origin of this verbiage used at usconstitution.net:
“Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.”
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Almost two weeks later Steve Mount, “Webmaster and researcher for USConstitution.net,” responded with this:
The source of the quoted material is my own text. It doesn’t come from the State Department or anywhere else. It is, however, just a matter of common sense. The law, as linked to, defined all persons as citizens at birth. “Citizen at birth” is a synonym for “natural born.” Ergo, if you’re a citizen at birth, you are eligible to be President or Vice President. Anyone who is a citizen, but not a citizen at birth, is not eligible to be President nor Vice President.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Who is Steve Mount? http://www.usconstitution.net/sjjm.html
He’s someone so impressed with himself that he posts his assumptions as facts and even answers questions about the Constitution with the confidence of a Constitutional scholar. http://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq.html
Unfortunately, confidence doesn’t equal qualification or knowledge.

At the top and the bottom of each page at the usconstitution.net site should be a notice or disclaimer letting users know that the text includes interpretations of the Constitution made by the webmaster, whose sole qualification is the audit of one course in Constitutional law.

Thanks for clarifying that, Cate.

Yes and no. Address his failure, but stand firm on the Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

For the purpose of citizenship, all that matters is who was named the father at the time of birth and whose name appears on the birth certificate. That is the man from whom citizenship is inherited. Biology is irrelevant.

How a later adoption by another man/father might affect that, I don't know. For all I know, an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro may be living in the White House today.

For the purpose of citizenship, all that matters is who was named the father at the time of birth and whose name appears on the birth certificate. That is the man from whom citizenship is inherited. Biology is irrelevant.

How a later adoption by another man/father might affect that, I don't know. For all I know, an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro may be living in the White House today.

Ugh. Interesting or not, I wish this show had never been. I'd much rather have been bored and looking for something to read and study for the past few years. Hell, I might have even resorted to following American Idol.

Both are of equal importance. Actually, that he's sitting in the Oval Office illegally falls under the umbrella of "lying and committing fraud and being so flippant about these very real CRIMES!"

Would this give further information?
"The real smoking gun, however, is Davis’s declassified 600-page FBI file, which was recently released through a freedom-of-information request by a fellow researcher. A cursory glance at these pages — which include accounts by informants and eyewitnesses — quickly reveals that Davis was a Communist. As evidence for readers, we have isolated and published about a dozen pages from the file in the appendix of my book, including one that lists Davis’s actual Communist-party number: 47544."
From here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/248877/obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-paul-kengor?page=3

"The other thing difficult to piece in, is what does all this information do to the born in Kenya hypothesis?"

I've been wondering about that and have come to the conclusion that those who are behind this usurpation of the Executive Branch of our govt have intentionally released disinformation to confuse those of us trying to follow the story and put it all together in a way that makes sense and to lead those performing formal investigations of the actual trail and down wrong paths to dead ends. Either the bits that support the Kenyan birth theory or the bits supporting the illegitimate birth theory are disinformation because they don't jibe. I think the time I spent reading through the Heather Smathers FOIA release were time wasted on disinformation. Why this release on not the Kenyan birth bits? Because this FOIA release is alleged to have been withheld from the public by the Boston Globe for two years and because the alleged source of every piece of its contents originate from a federal govt agency or agencies, whereas the quotes and news pieces supporting the Kenyan birth theory are from many different sources and people. Also, the Kenyan birth theory can actually be supported by an abstract birth certificate like the one presented last week by the White House. (I'm looking for the link to the article that explains how and I'll post the link as soon as I find it.)

The wiki page cites the common law definition of "natural born".

According to that, Obama is natural born as he was born in the USA to an American mother. End of story. Unless someone can prove he was born somewhere else.

The shadiness in my view is not his place of birth. I do believe he was born in Hawaii. The reason for that is that had he been born in Kenya or Indonesia or some other IIIrd world country, someone would have produced evidence of his birth there.

What I am open to believing is like this post by Pamela suggests, that the person in the WH may not legally be Barak Obama. As either the marriage of his parents was void and/or Barak Sr may have not been his real father.

The constitution didn't provide for illegitimate children to grow up as presidents. In those times, bastard children were adopted or sent off to the military or into shipping.

As for constitution.net.
The list of qualifiers are no interpretations. They are the real list. The rest of the site may contain interpretations.

I welcome you citing the real text.

Good thinking. I would think that a good PI on the ground in Kenya could get to the bottom of this pretty quickly, and maybe grease some wheels to get the real birth certificate. I wonder if Corsi has done so.

Upon a moment's reflection, I think you are correct AM. That is a huge power that is still conferred upon the mother, the power to establish legal paternity of the child by doing no more than naming the father. A lot of guys get trapped into child support because they are unaware they have been named by the mother as the father at the time of birth. I think that legally the man may object and has some period of time to prove or disprove paternity. But it certainly looks like Obama Sr made no objection to being named as the father. It's done then, doesn't matter who may be Obama's real father, the matter can only be considered from a legal standpoint from the consideration that Obama Sr is the father.

If Davis is Obama's father, and I think it's quite possible, how fitting that he eventually got to raise his son (albeit to be a commie puke).

Grasping at straws I see.

United States liberals have overthrown the United States and the constitution and all you conservatives can do is whine about it on blogs? The world is laughing at you. This was the easiest conquering of any nation in the history of humankind. Conservatives are such push overs -- When push comes to shove (like it did in 2008 and ever since) conservatives don't even have the gonads to rise up in armed rebellion. Sure , they make veiled threats of armed uprising for 2 years now but so far you guys have shown you lack the courage of your convictions.

This nation will be an islamic nation soon .. Because conservatives are just a bunch of lazy pussies who talk a lot of big talk on their little computers in their little trailers. You pussies couldn't even stop our mosque from being built in NYC ... Really, you white crackerjacks are going to be SO EASY to dominate.

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