Text: Pamela Geller's Testimony, Alaska Legislature, Foreign Law Bill

From what I understand, the office of Representative Gatto received over 500 emails supporting their decision to ask me to testify. Thank you, freedom lovers.

Scroll down for the text of my remarks. After I spoke, there were no questions. Dead quiet. Representative Lindsey Holmes (Democrat) disingenously spoke out that she was growing increasingly uncomfortable with the "direction" of where the hearings were going.

I said, "Why? I have said nothing offensive, I have merely stated the facts." Silence.

I followed a number of witnesses. Always present and up first, typically, the ACLU lawyer, Jeffrey Mittman, was fighting against a bill protecting individual rights. Shocking to me still that the left carries water for the most radical and extreme ideology on the planet.

Robert Spencer spoke to free speech and the lack of human rights for non-Muslims living in Muslim countries, and Nonie Darwish, a former Muslim, gave powerful testimony as a woman living under the sharia. I wonder why Lindsey Holmes, who expressed disdiain for my testimony, was quiet when Darwish spoke. Hypocrite.

Sam Obeidi, from the Islamic Center of Alaska, Anchorage, claimed to be representing 4,000-6000 Muslims in Alaska, provided testimony that sharia was nothing to fear. He said that it was peaceful, and took issue with Nonie Darwish's life experience.

Janet Levy adeptly addressed the differences in Catholic Canon Law, Jewish law and sharia law. Basically there is no compulsion in Jewish or Catholic law. Levy further informed us on how Jewish law and Catholic Canon law function in the U.S. (in deference to secular law, etc.) compared to supremacist Islamic sharia.

The Alaska Catholic Conference expressed concerns that "passage of CSHB88 would impact decisions made by the bishops and or their canon lawyers on matters important within the church. For example, one of us could make the decision to close a parish within our jurisdiction, completely within the bounds of canon law. However, we could envision a situation where a suit gets filed by parishioners claiming the process that lead to our decision did not afford all of the constitutional protections to members of the congregation. This has happened in St Louis. A second example could be priests who could be canonically required to operate under Canon Law requirements that would have no bearing in a civil court. However, of a larger concern is our Marriage Tribunals." Download HB88 Opposing Documents-Letter AK Catholics 03-30-11

This a typical misunderstanding of these pieces of legislation. This falls under the Abstention Doctrine.
Churches and mosques and synagogues can decide for themselves and the court will enforce the law.
HB88 doesnt change this. It will not affect it. This concern is a misunderstanding of state statute and federal constitutional law.

Their issue has amendment protection under all the state and federal laws. The court must accept binding arbitration.

Abstention Doctrine: The concept under which a federal court exercises its discretion and equitable powers and declines to decide a legal action over which it has jurisdiction pursuant to the Constitution and statutes where the state judiciary is capable of rendering a definitive ruling in the matter. More here.

Members of Judiciary Committee
 
-Rep Carl Gatto- (R) Chair, Judiciary Committee and sponsor of the bill
 
-Rep. Wes Keller, (R) co-sponsor
 
-Rep.Bob Lynn, (R) co-sponsor
 
-Rep. Steve Thompson, (R)
 
-Rep. Lance Pruitt, (R)
 
-Rep. Max Gruenberg, (D) attorney and opponent of bill

-Rep. Lindsey Holmes, (D) attorney

Pamela Geller's Testimony to Alaska State Legislature HB88: Use Of Foreign Law

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak to legislation that "prohibits the violation of an individual's right under the Constitution of the State of Alaska or the United States Constitution.” This very simple and clear cut legislation should be the proverbial no brainer. And yet the fact that it being met by so much resistance both overt and covert indicates how very needed it is.

How can anyone oppose a law that seeks to prevent foreign laws from undermining fundamental constitutional liberties? We all accept that state and federal const’l rights to a jury trial in CIVIL cases can be waived almost by default (thus two parties agreeing to be bound by German or French law where there is no jury trial right in a civil matter) would not be affected by the bill since the jury trial right is per the law waived by default.

But there is no jurisprudence in the federal system and none in any state that would allow a party to waive Equal Protection—that is, could an african american agree to be discriminated against by the state? Absolutely not, so why would we allow a party to “waive” an equal protection claim in court where the state’s police power is being used to enforce an offensive foreign law?

We now have groups that has ever come to this country with a ready-made model of society and government they believe to be superior to what we have here and are working to institute it.

For example, Islamic law contravenes American freedoms in numerous particulars.

We have seen sharia law in New Jersey. Back in July 2010, a Muslim husband raped his wife, and the judge determined that no sexual assault occurred because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex on demand from their husbands. Luckily, the appellate court overturned this decision, and a Sharia ruling by an American court was not allowed to stand—this time. But there have been over a hundred cases of Sharia jurisprudence in the US, and Jeffery Mittman of the ACLU has testified that “all have been overturned by a higher courts, therefore there is no problem since the American constitutional system worked.” Of course, this begs the question of why should this have happened in the first place. Secondly, it is simply not true that all cases have been overturned. In fact, there are cases in CAL and MD in which trial courts were overturned by appellate courts, the latter of which turned the blind eye to the threat from shariah.

There are also ongoing initiatives to compel businesses to adopt Sharia norms. In March 2007, Target stores in Minneapolis shifted Muslim cashiers who refused to check out pork products to other jobs in the stores.[1] The J. B. Swift meat packing plant in Greeley, Colorado in September 2008 fired Muslim workers who turned violent and walked off their jobs when denied special break periods to end the Ramadan fast at the appointed time.[2] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, however, sided with the Muslim workers and forced Swift to reinstate them.[3] Ultimately, Swift added footbaths and bidets to its plant for the Muslim workers.[4] Cab drivers in the Minneapolis airport several years ago tried to stipulate that they wouldn’t carry passengers who had alcohol with them – passengers had to conform to Sharia law or not get a cab.

In November 2008, a federal judge ordered Gold’n Plump, Inc., a chicken processing plant, to pay $365,000 to Somali Muslim workers for firing them for walking off the job to pray, and for making new hires sign a form acknowledging that they may have to handle pork on the job.[5] And in February 2010, a group of Muslims in Colorado sued Wal-Mart, claiming that they were fired in order to provide jobs for local non-Muslims, and that they had been denied prayer breaks while on the job.[6] Mind you, it is not necessary for a Muslim to pray at a certain time if necessity makes it impossible to do so. These actions are merely devices in which to impose Islam on non-believers. Prayer is not absolutely required on a strict schedule, and Muslim prayers are commonly “made up” after work or school. This is true even in Muslim countries, i.e., Iran.

The irony is that the ACLU would oppose a law that seeks to prevent foreign laws from undermining fundamental constitutional liberties. 

The idea  “presented by Muslim Brotherhood groups that ‘Sharia Law’ is not actually ‘law’, but religious traditions that provide guidance to Muslims regarding the exercise of their faith” or that ‘Sharia Law’ differs depending on the country in which the individual Muslim resides is patently false. For example, in the Oklahoma case against the foreign law prohibition, the plaintiff stated that marrying more than one wife is permissible in Islam but in the United States, where that is illegal, Muslims do not marry more than one wife because Sharia in the United States mandates Muslims to abide by the law of the land and respect the law of their land.”

And yet in August 2007, when asked how common polygamy was among Muslims in the United States, unindicted co-conspirator CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper said that a “minority” of Muslims here were polygamous, and added: “Islamic scholars would differ on whether one could do so while living in the United States.”^[7] He didn’t say anything about Muslims in the U.S. being given pause by the fact that the practice remains illegal in the United States. Iman Aly Hindy, has stated this about the relationship between Islamic law and American law: “This is in our religion and nobody can force us to do anything against our religion. If the laws of the country conflict with Islamic law, if one goes against the other, then I am going to follow Islamic law, simple as that.”^[8]

Apparently many Muslims in America as well as Canada think the same way. A May 2008 estimate found between 50,000 and 100,000 Muslims living in polygamous arrangements in the U.S., in defiance of American law.^[9] This shows that we need to stand against Sharia or Muslims will continue to defy American law and instead live according to Shariua dictates.

 Legal expert David Yerushalmi, a pioneering legal authority in the drafting of such state laws, points out that “the global jihad leadership against which we have aligned most of our military and intelligence resources since 9/11 informs us in Arabic, Pashtu, Urdu, Persian, and even in English that the global jihad against the West is fundamentally directed and determined by Islamic law, or sharia. The jihad leaders further tell us that their ultimate goal, in addition to that of the ‘defensive jihad’ incumbent on every Muslim to rid the Islamic world of an occupying infidel presence is the implementation of sharia law as the law of the land in any place Muslims step foot.”

“Surveys in the Muslim world consistently evidence that somewhere between 50% to 70% of the global Muslim community desires to create a unified Caliphate for all Muslims and to order that political hegemony according to a strict al Qaeda-like sharia.”

The separation of mosque and state is essential to preserving American freedom and our way of life. Yet the Islamic supremacists have made real inroads. We have seen over the last few years the encroachment of Islam on the secular marketplace. Muslims have demanded, and received, special accommodation in public schools, in the workplace, in our government, and in privately owned businesses.

One only needs to look at the disintegration of Europe and the establishment all over that continent of enclaves in which Sharia is enforced and the law of the land disregarded, to glimpse a bleak future made possible by “good intentions” and the failure of multiculturalism. In those areas of Europe, women and non-Muslims suffer institutionalized discrimination, and there is no freedom of speech or freedom of conscience.

It is time to stand up for American rule of law and individual rights for all.

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[1] “Target shifts Muslims who won’t ring up pork,” Associated Press, March 18, 2007. 

[2] “Swift fires 130 Muslim workers after Ramadan dispute,” Rocky Mountain News, September 10, 2008.

[3] David Migoya, “EEOC: Swift acted with bias: Muslims were discriminated against by the meatpacker, the federal panel determines," The Denver Post, September 1, 2009.

[4] “Civil rights complaints have been filed in Greeley, CO,” Refugee Resettlement Watch, June 30, 2009.

[5] “Gold'n Plump settles worker lawsuits," Star Tribune, November 10, 2008.

[6] Dan Frosch, “Immigrants Claim Wal-Mart Fired Them to Provide Jobs for Local Residents,” New York Times, February 8, 2010.

[7] Maryclaire Dale, “Pa. bigamist slain hours before trip,” Associated Press, August 8, 2007.

[8] Noor Javed, “GTA’s secret world of polygamy,” Toronto Star, May 24, 2008.

[9] Barbara Bradley Hagerty, “Some Muslims in U.S. Quietly Engage in Polygamy,” National Public Radio, May 27, 2008.

UPDATE: Atlas reader, Eastvew's, observations here.

UPDATE: Chris Stein of the AP fair reporting:

JUNEAU, Alaska — Alaska's House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday began considering a controversial bill that would ban the use of foreign law in Alaska courts.

Republican Bill Sponsor Rep. Carl Gatto of Wasilla says the bill would ensure that cases in Alaskan courts are not litigated under foreign law codes that would conflict with a person's constitutional rights.

Stop Islamization of America Executive Director Pamela Geller testified in support of the bill, saying that some courts have allowed cases to be decided under Sharia law.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations had called for Geller not to be allowed to testify, saying she represented a hate group.

Gatto says his policy is to allow testimony from whoever wants to speak to a bill.

The committee held House Bill 88 for further consideration.

Comments

[DanS.]

OY-YEA, OY-YEA, COURT IS IN SESSION. ATTEND AND BE HEARD!!

Thanks Pam!! utterly fantastic testimony - KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

The Courts are where the battle for civilization can be won!!

[Bamftiger]

Excellent work, but extremely disturbing that Americans of all people on Earth seriously need to be reminded of their own principles! How can it have come to pass, except by deliberate plan, that islamic law, terrorists and infiltrators have risen to such ascendancy that they need to be overtly squashed.

[R.K.MacUalraig]

Well done, Atlas.

[Wana]

Thank you Pamela...never thought this day would come so far far from dar al islam...muslims who want shariah need to go back to their ancestral lands...its that simple.
WANA

[john jay]

pamela:

suggested.--

"the state of alaska shall make no laws regarding the establishment of religion, nor granting favor to any religion."

"the state of alaska shall grant no gifts or emoluments or favor to any religion nor any person because of religious affiliation."

comment.--

the would cover it nicely. lots of judicial gloss and scholarship surrounding that language, and none of favors granting islam favor over any religion, and none of it recognizes sharia as paramount or supreme over the law of the land.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

[john jay]

p.s. thank you for your courageous and straight forward stance. well spoken, well done and well thought out. you stand tall.

[nice work]

ms. geller, you came off very well with a very poignant list of facts and should've greatly helped the cause, however, when i watched it i noticed "Rep. Lindsey Holmes, (D) attorney" leaned to her right (blocked out view due to person's head) and came back to view with a smile on "Rep. Lindsey Holmes, (D) attorney" face within the first min. and 1 or 2 times more after that

see if you can get the uneditted video

maybe just throwing one-liners to her buddy to her right.

[J]

Thanks For all you do Pamela and everyone at Atlas Shrugs.

This is why we need to get the radicals out of the White House. It really amazes me that Obama still has 47% that think he is doing a good job. Are these people so ignorant of what is going on or do they think "it will never happen in America"?

We need a real DOJ that will enforce ALL of our laws and protect ALL Americans.

[Brandy]

So glad you posted your testimony! Unfortunately I wasn't able to listen today. Family stuff.

I loved that you stated, "unindicted co-conspirator CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper"!! Love it!!

So glad they didn't cave in and had you testify. I love that you testified regarding all the examples of Sharia in the U.S. workplace. Stating the facts is so difficult for the enablers to refute. They have a hard time with it and resort to snide remarks or personal put downs. I've been on the receiving end many times.

Thank you to Nonie Darwish and Robert as well. Courageous people, all of you.

Funny thing, my newspaper didn't carry any articles about this hearing. CAIR will be so disappointed! Good!

[sheik yer'mami]

That's how its done: facts and nothing but facts, hammered into the heads of the PC creeps who would destroy us in their kumbaya daze.

As for "muslims who want shariah need to go back to their ancestral lands...its that simple"- its not simple at all: the soldiers of allah are religiously commanded to wage war until all the people say 'there is no god but allah and Muhammad is his profit'.

They are doing their religious duty. They kill and die for allah. They are proud of it. They have no doubt they are doing the right thing.

What are you prepared to do to keep your country free of those who will destroy you, your culture and civilization?

[American]

Good Job.

[john jay]

sheik:

well, i personally believe, and have expressed the opinion publicly, that each of us has a right and duty to exercise defense of self & society in these circumstances.

i believe it a right capable of legal assertion, under appropriate factual circumstances.

most ancient texts agree.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

[Elle]

Awesome testimony! I love you, Atlas! And I thank you, Nonie Darwish and Mr. Robert Spencer, who continuously do your research, stand by your principles, stick to the FACTS, stand up and speak out on behalf of all of us! Thank you! You guys Rock!

[Cindy Hyltin]

Pamela, in Texas Legislature is a bill that has been filed to PROTECT TEXAS COURTS FROM FOREIGN LAWS. It is HB 3027- American Law for American Courts, Co-Author by Rep. Weber, Hilderbran, Chism, King - This bill keeps Texas courts from making decisions based on foreign laws if those laws infringe on the Constitutional rights of an individual. This bill is in the house Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Cmttee.

Here’s the Action Item: ACTIONS:
Calls need to be made to the chairman of the Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee. asking for a Public Hearing date to be set.
The Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Cmttee. Chairman is Rep. Jim Jackson. His phone number is 512-463-0468. His e-mail address is Jim.jackson@house.state.tx.us.
Thank you so much for providing excellent testimony to Alaska. Would it be possible for you to testify at the hearing in Texas? Please let me know.

[Kafir]

You are simply an amazing person, and I hope there's many Pammies in training.

[JewLover]

Drunken Stupor Alert:

Please forgive me Ms. Geller, but may I humbly recommend someone to help us in this battle, a colleague who did 3 tours in Vietnam as a Special Forces operative, GBs (Green Berets). He not only survived a grenade to the face during the Tet Offensive, but is a polio survivor as a child. I think that America might survive if LC West contacted this hero as a VP nominee.
Name at bottom of: http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/harvard/
/The ultimate comment one can receive from this man is: "I'll stab you in the heart before I stab you in the back."

[Eric]

Thank you for a display of jurisprudence lacking in the opposition. Bamftiger spoke my thoughts, except for this, our system is not perfect and open to error with the idea that man is not perfect even when robed. We come to this stage in our decline simply through years of allowing bad precedents to pile one atop the other without correction. In time no good thing can stand if incrementally it is destroyed. Our founders clearly envisioned the need for public review of all man made law at some point but could never come to state how that should come about. Interestingly it is under way now as the people become weighed down with oppressive law, vague law and outright injurious law. The problem is that for law to reign supreme there must be judges respectful of the established law. To see parties of long entrenched policy seek to augment their political ambition at the expense of blind justice by permitting biased judges to sit and yield bad precedent when it perfects the ends desired has become too common to refer to the courts without substantial law protecting the litigants. Therefore it is with great happiness and hope that I say proceed with state laws enshrining our fundamental principles. I hope to see protection of as many unenumerated rights, granted by our creator, as can be before our supreme court removes them using "reason".

[Poosh]

This is outstanding. And excellent footnotes as well. A hub to save in the bookmarks and refer back to.

I wish we could shape the discourse and refer to "moderate muslims" (who are never moderate it seems, but actually "not as extreme as a terrorist who just blew himself up") as "Liberal Muslims" with the obvious implications of that. We could simply divide and demand loyalties be spelled out. You either subscribe to enlightenment thinking or you do not. I'm not singling out Muslims here, obviously there are plenty of non-muslims who are just as backward and primitive, but they're not blowing themselves up!

In the UK we have a massive problem with Pakistani Muslims marrying their cousins. It is a disgusting, evil practice that makes me sick to the stomach just thinking about it (wisdom of disgust eh?) yet NO ONE is doing anything about this abomination for fear of offending a culture/religion. It's one thing after another.

There are some fascinating stats and facts reported by Pam. Some shocking stuff.

[Sara]

(((((Round of applause!)))))

[Florida Infidel]

Thank you, Pamela!

[Carol Eberwein]

There are no "Pammies" in training.
There is only one WARRIOR PAMELA.

[Madeleine]

Pam, 10 years ago, did you have any idea, any notion at all
what a household name in America that you would become?
In greek your name means honey. Honey is frequently mentioned
in the bible. Jews advocated honey as a producer of wit and intellect.
It was supposed to make one "mentally keen."
The medicinal effects of honey transend time. Honey is for healing
honey is used for sweetening the bitter gall.
Honey is for soothing the soul, for strength in times of weakness
Honey is considered a gift from the Almight G-d.
Pamela...I would not be honest if I did not say, your name
is fitting for you! You are one honey of an American!
It's no shock that honey must have been abundant in ancient Egypt.
The hebrews refered to it as a land flowing with milk and honey.
"Physician-like, who when a bitter draught
Of wormwood is disgusted by a child
To cheat his taste, he brims the nauseous cup
With the sweet lure of honey."
Pamela, yesterday you sweetened the hearings with truth.
Truth + Honey (Pamela) = cure!
You go my friend~!

[Noelegy]

All I can say to this is...There are Muslims in Alaska?

[Jim Baxter]

Carl V. "Sam" Lamb and I served side-by-side as rifle-squad
leaders Fox Company, "Chesty" Puller's 1st Marines, 1st Marine
Division. He wrote a book about our experiences in the Korean
conflict, 1950-1951. He included my remarks about an incident in
which one of our people threatened to punch-out a fellow squad-
leader who had black skin.

+ + +

THE LAST PARADE
by Carl V. Lamb Page 296 (1951)

James Fletcher Baxter

Sam and I had a lot in common. We both resisted evil. After I
got out of the hospital, 'Big Jim' Causey told of driving along
in his police cruiser and hitting a black man in his head
with his pistol. He thought it was funny how the guy sprawled
into the street. When he made this comment we were in a card
game. I didn't say anything, but then he said he was going to
kick the ____ out of Joe Goggins and I had heard enough.

I said, "If you're going to try that, you'll have to go through
me to get to him. I'm willing to give my life for a country
that values each individual. If that isn't true, I don't want
to fight for that country - but, it is true, so I'm not going
to let you rob me of the very good reason I may lose my life
tomorrow or next week. If you attack him, you attack me. I
may lose, but I guarantee I will make it very expensive for
you to get to him. Let me know what you decide."

He got up from our card game and said, "I'll have to think
about it."

I said, "Let me know. I'll be here."

He came back a little later and said, "You're right. I was
wrong." I thanked him for his manliness.

Joe Goggins came to me later and thanked me. He had wet eyes.

+ + +

(7/16/10)
Shortly after the above event, Causey was sent home on a
medical emergency for a family member. On the way, he
made a stop at a Naval medical facility stateside and ran into
my brother, Sgt. Howard "Barney" Baxter, 5th Marines, with
Chosen Reservoir frost-bitten feet. My brother said Causey
told him what had happened, and that it had "changed his life
forever." Never again would he do "the collective thing" of race
abuse. He saw the value of each individual, regardless of race,
station, or gender. He even forgave himself and became a worthy
and honorable U.S. Marine.

Jim Baxter
Sgt. USMC
WWII & Korean War
semper fidelis
pointman/follower of The Lion of Judah


INDIVIDUAL VALUE - Gift of Y'shua JESUS

The Old World method of measuring human value was,
and still is, by the group. Whether tribe, clan,
city-state, color, ethnic, or gender, the Old
World, ancient and modern, measures by the plural
unit. Individuals had and have no value of them-
selves but only as they were and are part of a
collective.

When Y'shua Jesus died on the cross, the veil of
the Temple at the Holy of Holies parted from the
top down. The individual believer in the congrega-
tion had, for the first time, a face-to-face, one-
on-one relation with his Creator. The Creator,
Himself, had validated each individual for the
first time.Thus, the Individual became the corner-
stone for later human value measuring systems:
socio-political, philosophical, religious, educa-
tional, economic, etc., henceforth and forever.
Western Civilization, America, English Law, civil
Rights, the 'democratic' process, etc., all sprang
from that single event. (Greco-Roman 'democracies'
were 95% slave throughout their entire histories.)
Biblical principles are still today the foundation
under Western Civilization and the American way of
life.

Many social systems attempt to borrow ideas of
"democracy" without the basic premise in The Indi-
vidual. Such a system is only superficially and
temporarily 'democratic.' The cornerstone of the
democratic process is The Individual and the
cornerstone of the value of The Individual is
Y'shua Jesus! It is not possible to have one with-
out the other. There is only One Source - there is
no other.

It is additionally interesting to note that all
value measuring systems are based on the single
definitive unit of the system. Ex: Number, Time,
Distance, Weight, Heat, Money, Angle, Volume, etc.

Only humanism makes the abusive error of measuring
human value by the plural unit and attempts to
build social structures, relations, and institu-
tions thereon. Such man-made systems can only be
abusive and oppressive because in reality there
are only individual persons. Groups or collectives
are merely convenient verbalizations about indi-
viduals. They are not reality.

I have yet to see a 'group.' All I have ever seen
are individuals.Have you ever seen a group - or is
it a verbal convenience? Reality is only in the
individual person. And, such a validation never
derived from a human source without the initiative
of the Creator. (The French Rationalists of the
18th Century favored the fruit - but rejected the
branch, tree, and root.)

Today, wherever Y'shua Jesus is rejected, the
group or collective is still the basic way of
measuring human value - or human non-value.

We thank the Lord God for revealing His validation
of each individual person. We thank Him for creat-
ing each person uniquely, in His image, and call-
ing each one to a courageous ascension by Y'shua
Jesus, who said, "I AM the Way..."

Praise the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and
His Son of Man, Y'shua Jesus.

Reference: Exodus 25:30,40 Hebrews 9 Matthew 27:51
Mark 15:38 Luke 23:45 KJV

Jim Baxter
Teacher, 5th Grade - 30 wonderful years!
vincit veritas

pointman/follower of The LION of JUDAH

[John K]

Thanks for your testimony.

[smarter than bull o'reillys criteria...]

Thanks SO MUCH for that, Madeleine !! 'I' had no idea ---that's just tooo coool.

[ZigZag]

Why call him Ibrahim Hooper? Pam, you, Robert, Nonie, etc., should start to call him by his real name, Doug Hooper, or Dougie Hooper, or Doogie Howser, or Doug "Ibrahim" Hooper and use finger quote signs and roll your eyes when you say, Ibrahim.