- Karadzic’s Prosecutors: “Oh but we never said Srebrenica wasn’t armed!”
- First Srebrenica Witness Self-destructs while Perjuring Himself;
- High-Level Witness Line-up Attests to Bosnia’s Familiar Islamic M.O: Self-Killing, then Blaming the Infidel;
- MSM Listens to Just the first Five Minutes of Karadzic’s Two-Day Opening Statement, Miss his Debunking “Greater Serbia” Charge
As promised, here is the second part of Julia Gorin's Nuremberg II: **Crickets Chirping** in Newsrooms Across the WorldRadovan Karadžić, the former Bosnian Serb politician, is on trial (more like a sharia court) in the United Nations Detention Unit of Scheveningen, accused of "war crimes committed against Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats during the Siege of Sarajevo" (now an entirely Muslim city, completely ethnically cleansed of non-Muslims.) Educated as a psychiatrist, he co-founded the Serbian Democratic Party in Bosnia and Herzegovina and was the first President of Republika Srpska from 1992 to 1996.
Julia writes us:
Continuing my efforts to bring attention to a trial that should require no urging that attention be paid to it -- the trial of Radovan Karadzic -- I wanted to share the next set of items that I’ve shortened for readers. First, a February dispatch with some interesting admissions by the prosecution, as reported by IWPR, International War and Peace Reporting. Disregard the standard loaded use of the word “claims,” attributing proven facts to Karadzic’s ‘view’:
Former Bosnian Serb president Radovan Karadzic this week demanded that several countries turn over documents which he claims will prove they were illegally smuggling weapons into Bosnia during the war.
“[The documents] will show not only what was happening on the ground…[but also] that members of the UN were on the side of the warring party, rather than neutral parties,” Karadzic said at a February 15 hearing….A 1991 United Nations arms embargo prevented countries from supplying weapons to armies in the former Yugoslavia, but Karadzic claims that many funneled weapons to the Bosnian army, composed mostly of Bosniaks.
“The smuggling of weapons that arrived through Germany…that is of significance and will impact on the testimonies on international witnesses,” he continued.
He added that several countries, Germany included, “predicted what would happen in Yugoslavia and some of them contributed actively to what would happen there”.
In a more detailed written request to the German government dated August 12, 2009, Karadzic stated that many of the documents were directly related to the July 1995 Srebrenica massacre…Karadzic wrote in the August 12 request that intelligence gathered by the German government will show that he never “favoured, planned, or condoned the killing of civilians in Srebrenica”.
Furthermore, Karadzic stated that the smuggling of weapons to the Bosnian army will show that there was a “legitimate military objective to commence operations” on Srebrenica, since the smuggled weapons were, he claims, being used to launch attacks on Bosnian Serb civilians.…
Judge Kwon said that the court will determine whether or not the documents are relevant to Karadzic’s case and, as part of that process, he asked the prosecution to clarify some issues relating to Srebrenica.
“The prosecution does not dispute that arms were smuggled in and that Muslim attacks continued after [Srebrenica] was declared a safe area,” explained prosecutor Alan Tieger.
He added that the prosecution had never taken the position that the Bosnian army was not a legitimate military target…He added that attacks against Serbs were “very, very violent” and that he has evidence that “[Bosniak] fighters from the enclave returned with chains of Serb ears around their necks.”...
Judge Kwon also asked if the requested documents were at all relevant to the charge that Karadzic is responsible for taking more than 200 UN personnel hostage in 1995.
“The taking of hostages, this was done spontaneously and in a panic,” Karadzic responded. “People perceived these armed representatives as biased. [The hostages] did side with one side in the conflict and that is what we are going to show.” […]
Karadzic’s opening statement (further down below) elaborates on that last incident, but first: A few months before the trial started, the prosecution disseminated what it hoped the public would interpret as a damning piece of evidence in the form of a recorded telephone conversation. The media duly lent their own efforts to portray it as damning. (Remember that in matters concerning the former Yugoslavia -- the media, the court, the prosecution, world governments, NATO, and Hollywood are a single conglomerate.) In the example below, the prosecution and the media attempt to twist Karadzic’s efforts to avoid ethnic cleansing, into a fiendish desire to commit ethnic cleansing:
Much of the, for want of a better term, "news coverage" of the Radovan Karadzic war crimes trial in The Hague has teetered fatuously somewhere between the hysterical and the completely irrational. The coverage often amounts to little more than shrill and often childish name-calling with Karadzic continually referred to as a "butcher", a "demon", a "monster" and every other spiteful epitaph our so-called "journalists" can think to hurl at him.
…An excellent example of this malicious type of prosecution comes in the form of an intercepted telephone conversation that the Prosecution quoted from in their opening statement where Karadzic said, "There are 20,000 armed Serbs around Sarajevo ... it will be a black cauldron where 300,000 Muslims will die. They will disappear. That people will disappear from the face of the earth." In its reporting, the London Times said the recordings were "a clear indicator of genocidal intent [leaving] no room for doubt" and that was how Prosecution sought to portray the evidence in court.
However, if you look at Karadzic's remarks in their proper context, things look radically different than the way they were presented by the Prosecution and the media. I happen to have the transcript of that telephone conversation, from when it was admitted as evidence in Milosevic's trial, and what Karadzic said was: "They [the Bosnian-Muslims] are preparing for war ... they will try to wage war here [in Sarajevo] ... they're totally crazy ... they will disappear, that people will disappear from the face of the earth if they start [a war] now ... they have to know that there are 20,000 armed Serbs around Sarajevo, that's insane, they will disappear, Sarajevo will be a black cauldron where 300,000 Muslims will die, they're not right in the head."
Karadzic didn't say he wanted to kill the Muslims in Sarajevo. He said that if the Muslims were crazy enough to start a war in Sarajevo that a lot of them would die. There is a world of difference between what he really said, and what the Prosecution and the media have tried to make it look like he said.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if he were truly guilty the Prosecution wouldn't have to lie about their evidence in order to convict him. No rational person could interpret the things Karadzic said on that tape as an expression of genocidal intent, but that's how things were represented in court by the Prosecutor and how it was subsequently reported by the press.
These people know they're lying; Karadzic is on that tape expressing sympathy for the Muslim population saying, "they don't understand that they'd be up to their necks in blood and that the Muslim people would disappear, the poor Muslims would disappear who don't know where he [the Bosnian-Muslim leader, Alija Izetbegovic] is taking them, where he is taking the Muslims."
Karadzic makes it clear that his grievance is with the political leaders of the Bosnian-Muslims, not with the Muslim people themselves. How's this for genocidal intent? He says: "There are ordinary [Muslim] people out there, and I think they should be welcomed with open arms. But the leadership, there will be no hesitation, they must know that, that if they want to secede [from Yugoslavia] they will have to start a war against us and to hit us, to fight us, and then they will get our response."
Karadzic didn't say any of that for the benefit of public consumption. He said all of this in a private telephone conversation that had been tapped and recorded without his knowledge. He wasn't even talking to anybody important, he was talking to a personal friend, a poet named Gojko Djoko, who called him one night while he was at home watching movies with his wife.
Even though the tape isn't incriminating, if this were an American court the tape wouldn't be admissible at all because nobody knows whose custody it was in during the war, and whether it could have been doctored in the years before it was turned-over to the Tribunal. But, then again, the Tribunal doesn't have as high of evidential standards as we're accustomed to in America. […]
“I don’t know if he is a war criminal, but I do know he did his damnedest to prevent the war.” -- Canadian former ambassador to Yugoslavia, James Bissett
Bissett said this in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, for an article about the American lawyer who, fortunately for history, is leading Karadzic’s defense. Here is part of that March story: Helping in the 'fight for history':
Robinson, a 30-year veteran lawyer and a former California prosecutor, is leading the legal team defending Radovan Karadzic….Robinson spent three days in the nation's capital interviewing people he thought might be helpful to his defence, including former Canadian Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, who led a United Nations peacekeeping operation in Bosnia in 1992, and James Bissett, the former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania from 1990 to 1992. Both men witnessed first hand the horrors of the civil war, which lasted from 1992 to 1995.
A lot of what the lawyer heard will not please a lot of people, particularly those who blame the Serbs and, in particular, Karadzic for the horrors of that time and place.
"Gen. MacKenzie was probably the most outspoken United Nations official about the fact that the Muslims were shelling their own people in order to get international opinion on their side," Robinson said Tuesday. "Essentially they created disasters or massacres and blamed them on the Serbs. Some of those (massacres) Karadzic is charged with committing himself."
At the time he spoke to the Citizen, Robinson had yet to interview Bissett. However, the ambassador earlier told the Citizen that there is "a lot of evidence to indicate that Muslim leaders killed their own people." As for Karadzic, he said: "I don't know if he is a war criminal, but I do know he did his damnedest to prevent the war."
Robinson said he hopes to produce sufficient evidence to prove that the one-time Serb leader was not responsible for everything of which he is accused. "My goal is to make sure Karadzic gets a fair trial."
…The 64-year-old is regarded by Bosnian Serbs as a hero for defending them against being forced to live under Muslim rule…" Everything that Serbs did is being treated as a crime," Karadzic said in his opening statement…
Two of the most notorious incidents charged against Karadzic are the shelling of people queuing for bread in Sarajevo in May of 1992, and the so-called market massacre in 1994. Robinson said that while MacKenzie does not have personal knowledge of the 1992 bread line attack, he told the lawyer there is good reason to believe, as Robinson put it, "the Serbs were not responsible."
In 1992, the Bosnian Muslims, Serbs and Croats signed a peace agreement, the Lisbon Agreement, but then, by some accounts, former U.S. ambassador Warren Zimmermann subsequently met the Bosnian Muslim president Alija Izetbegovic and told him that if he withdrew from the agreement and unilaterally declared independence, the United States would support him. [Karadzic has quoted a former State Department official named George Kenney as doing the same.] The Americans, so the story goes, were trying to currying [sic] favour with the Muslim world after the 1991 Gulf War. Izetbegovic was encouraged to think that he would be establishing the first Muslim nation in the heart of Europe.
According to Karadzic, there was no way Bosnian Serbs were going to be ruled by Muslims. Bosnian Muslims were intent on creating an Islamic fundamentalist state. Opposing that, even if it meant war, was "just and holy."
Before the 1992 civil war, Bosnian Muslims were bringing in experienced Muslim fighters, including some who had fought against the Russians in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is known to have been in Bosnia, along with fundamentalist Muslims from Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
At the time, as Robinson put it, the U.S. "took the position that the Bosnian Muslims were the good guys and the Serbs were the bad guys. It was a huge miscalculation by the United States. They should have put their support behind Karadzic. He was an anti-communist dissident, democratic and the Serbs had a long history of supporting the (western) allies and fighting against fascism. They basically backed the wrong horse. We're paying the price for it now. We see some of the same people now in Afghanistan and Pakistan were in Bosnia."
None of this geo-political history is likely to help Karadzic directly, at least in terms of the charges against him. But Karadzic is "fighting for history," as Robinson put it. "He's more concerned with the legacy of what he leaves behind. He wants to show the justice of what he did for the future, that what he created was not a genocidal state." […]
If the tribunal at the Hague were a real court, by the end of the proceedings it would find that what Karadzic is actually guilty of is being a Serb general. And of defending a population that is guilty of breathing while Serbian. At the time of Karadzic’s arrest, John Laughland, writer for Britain’s Spectator and UK Daily Mail, wrote in the Brussels Journal:
The accusation has the effect of condemning the Bosnian Serb war effort at its very origins…independently of any condemnation for the way the war was fought….In fact, the Bosnian Serb war effort was no more or less legitimate than the Bosnian Muslim war effort. The Muslims wanted to secede from Yugoslavia (and were egged on to do this by the Americans and the Europeans) while the Bosnian Serbs wanted to stay in Yugoslavia. It was as simple as that.
In my view, it is not possible to adjudicate such matters using the criminal law since, as political questions, they transcend it. But the fact that the Muslims blatantly cheated by holding the vote on an independence referendum at 3 a.m. after the Bosnian Serb deputies in the Bosnian parliament had all been told to go home, and the fact that the Bosnian Muslim president, Alija Izetbegovic, remained in office throughout 1992 long after his term had expired and long after he should have handed over to a Serb, meant that the Bosnian Serbs had excellent grounds for believing that the Bosnian Muslim secession was quite simply a coup d’état.
In any case, once the Muslims had seized power in Sarajevo, the Bosnian Serbs sought not to conquer the whole republic but instead simply to fight for the secession of their territories from Muslim control. Of course atrocities were committed against civilians during this period, especially ethnic cleansing. But the same phenomenon is observed, I believe, and by definition, in every single war in which a new state is created [including the creation of Croatia and the Muslim and Croatian parts of Bosnia]….If the Muslims had the right unilaterally to secede from Yugoslavia, why should the Bosnian Serbs not have had the right unilaterally to secede from the new state of Bosnia-Herzegovina, which had never before existed as a state, and to which the Bosnian Serbs had no loyalty whatever?
The Muslims continue to claim control over the whole of the territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina, while the Serbs merely want the preservation of their considerable autonomy within it.
Indeed, Karadzic’s two-day opening statement -- which reporters listened to just the first five minutes of -- explains this in greater detail, along with the stealth night-time session of the assembly. We have it only thanks to Andy Wilcoxson’s diligence:
…Karadzic quoted from a speech that he made in the Bosnian parliament on October 15, 1991 before the war broke out where he said, “we could agree with you leaving Yugoslavia by means of a plebiscite, but we shall use the same mechanism to prevent you from taking us out of Yugoslavia.”
Karadzic challenged the premise of the whole trial by asking rhetorically, “Why would the Serbs need war in order to achieve something [they] already had and wished, and that was to live in Yugoslavia along with all the Muslims, Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians, et cetera? Why did the Serbs need war?”
He said, “We had five conferences and five peace plans. I, as the accused, agreed to four of them. So what kind of joint criminal enterprise would be possible had any of the other parties accepted just one of the four?”
He pointed out that the Muslims had been setting up armed paramilitary units for years before the war started, whereas, “the Serbs refused to create their own armed formations until the order was given for the Army of Yugoslavia, the army of their homeland, to withdraw from Bosnia.”
He also pointed out that “the Serbs were the last to set up a political party on ethnic grounds in Bosnia-Herzegovina” whereas the Muslims and the Croats had established their nationalist ethnic parties long beforehand.
All of this goes to refute the idea that the Bosnian war was driven by the existence of a Serbian conspiracy to persecute Muslims and Croats. Karadzic told the judges “In every particular case, the Serbs, the Serb Democratic Party and this accused person proposed solutions that are directly contrary to what they are being charged for.”
Karadzic’s case is that “Serbs were not engaged in action. They were engaged in reaction.” He told the court, “Their (Muslim and Croat) conduct gave rise to our (Serbian) conduct” and that “the Serb people in Bosnia-Herzegovina did their utmost, everything that could have been done, in order to avoid a war.”
Karadzic said that the real problem was that the Bosnian-Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic “insisted on the secession of all Bosnia despite Bosnia's ethnically intermingled character. This meant making Serbs a national minority in his Islamic republic and taking them out of [their] country (Yugoslavia).”
He said the war began because Izetbegovic’s Party of Democratic Action (SDA) sought the “illegal secession of Bosnia-Herzegovina for the establishment of an Islamist state”.
Karadzic explained that “They could not attain independence without Serb approval. They needed a two-thirds majority. There was no two-thirds majority at the referendum, nor was there a two-thirds majority in parliament.”
He explained how the Muslims and Croats illegally convened the Bosnian assembly in the dead of night, without the parliament speaker and without the Serbian MP’s in order to pass the memorandum on Bosnia’s secession from Yugoslavia. He explained how this flagrant disregard for the law and the constitution by the Muslims and Croats gave rise to the necessity to create the Bosnian-Serb Republic.
… Karadzic quoted numerous foreign officials in his opening statement including former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell who said in an interview with the New Yorker magazine that “The Serbs had very good reason to be worried about being in a Muslim-dominated country. It wasn't just paranoia.”
…What were the Serbs supposed to think when they saw the same people who allied themselves with the Nazis and committed genocide against them during the Second World War setting-up paramilitary units in order to forcibly dismember Yugoslavia forty-five years later? What were they supposed to think when they saw an Islamic fundamentalist like Izetbegovic leading the Muslims and a Holocaust-denying fascist like Franjo Tudjman leading the Croats?
...During his opening statement Karadzic rhetorically asked the court, “Should we have been in a deep state of anesthesia and waited to be butchered like the Serbs before us?”
Karadzic also touched on the subject of war propaganda. He played a video of the Trnopolje refugee camp. The video was filmed by a Yugoslav camera crew, and it was a video of a British camera crew from the ITN television network fabricating pictures of what they ultimately led the world to believe was a Nazi-style concentration camp.
From the video it was clear that the ITN crew had set itself up inside of a dilapidated barbed wire enclosure that surrounded a utility building next to the refugee camp in order to create the illusion that the refugees were being held prisoner behind the barbed wire. He said the journalists “were surrounded by barbed wire, but they were filming free people, and we suffered gravely on account of the fact that this image went all over the world. We were harshly punished for that imagery.”
Karadzic told the court how the ITN journalists abused his hospitality. He said, “We brought them on our own plane after the London conference. We brought them there, and we allowed them to go wherever they wanted to go.”
Speaking of the shelling of the Markale market in Sarajevo Karadzic said, “We are going to prove in this courtroom that Serbs never did this.” And as a sample of the evidence he intends to present he read a quote from former British Foreign Secretary David Owen which said, “The position from which this shell was launched is located one and a half kilometer deep into the Muslim-held territory, measured from the demarcation line which separates this territory from the Army of Republika Srpska.”
Karadzic intends to prove that the shell that hit the Markale Market in Sarajevo was fired by the Muslims against their own civilians. According to Karadzic, “Markale [was a call for] for foreign intervention” the goal was to bring NATO into the war against the Bosnian-Serbs…Two days [later] NATO warplanes launched a massive saturation bombing campaign against the Bosnian-Serbs which, at the time, was the largest military campaign in NATO’s history.
Day 2 of the opening statement:
…Karadzic told the court how, before the war even began, he sought [to] reach a negotiated agreement with moderate Bosnian-Muslim political forces, such as the Muslim-Bosniak Organization (MBO) founded by Adil Zulfikarpasic and Muhamed Filipovic. He said that the SDA rejected these negotiations and that it proclaimed Zulfikarpasic and Filipovic traitors against their own nation for even attempting to negotiate an agreement with the Serbs.
Karadzic also told the court how the Bosnian-Serbs, the Bosnian-Croats, and the Bosnian-Muslims had all agreed to the Cutileiro Peace Plan (named [for] Jose Cutileiro, the European Community ambassador in charge of the negotiations) before the war ever started, but how the Muslims reneged on the agreement.
… Karadzic argued that if anyone, besides the Muslims, deserves to be blamed for what happened in Bosnia that it was the international community and to that end he quoted Ambassador Cutileiro who said "…Had they [Muslims] not done so [reneged on the agreement], the Bosnian question might have been settled earlier, with less loss of (mainly Muslim) life and land. To be fair, President Izetbegovic and his aides were encouraged to scupper that deal and to fight for a unitary Bosnian state by well-meaning outsiders who thought they knew better.”
Karadzic sought to demonstrate that he was always against war by playing excerpts from his tapped telephone conversations, which he obtained from the Prosecution. They had been recorded by foreign intelligence organizations without his knowledge or consent.
After he got done playing tapes from his own conversations he observed that “I recently asked to be provided with intercepts of conversations between Izetbegovic, (Ejup) Ganic, and others. I naively suppose[d] that if they listened in to everybody’s conversation I could have them, but it turns out the only ones whose telephones were tapped were the Serbs.”
Karadzic then turned his attention to the fighting in Sarajevo….He said the Muslims in Sarajevo had “schools and nurseries that were transferred into military premises.” He vowed that during the trial he would expose what he called “the abuse of hospitals, schools, kindergartens turned into military facilities.”
… He said, “Everything that happened on Bosnia-Herzegovina that was done by the Muslim side was with the purpose of drawing in NATO and Western countries into war on their side.” And that to that end he said they deliberately attacked their own civilians and fired at Serbian positions from civilian areas.
Karadzic told the court, “It was I who proposed at the beginning of war for Sarajevo to become an open city and to be under the control of the UN. Izetbegovic didn't need that. He wanted to have influence on the international community with emotional demonstrations and thereby provoke (NATO) intervention … had our proposal been accepted, that it be declared an open city, there would have been no casualties.”
Press accounts from mid-May 1992 corroborate Karadzic’s claim that he wanted Sarajevo to be declared an open city. So yet again, we have an example of the Muslims suffering as a result of their own belligerence and the Prosecution, our government, and our media want us to blame Radovan Karadzic for that.
…Karadzic unapologetically responded to the accusation that Bosnian-Serb forces took UN Personnel hostage during the war by saying, “They were involved in a war against us. They called NATO aircraft to bomb us. They helped them. They selected targets for them. They were their marksmen. Well, people like that cannot be called hostages … the moment they started bombing us they became a warring party…UNPROFOR (the UN Protection Force) was the taxi of the Muslim army, they crossed our lines unannounced. They smuggled ammunition, weapons, but nobody would have taken them as hostages because of that. They were taken as hostages when the (NATO) bombing started….”
Corroborating the point about the classic Islamic modus operandi of self-killing and manipulating media coverage, employed in Bosnia as in every other front of Jihad, is the May 7th testimony of David J. Harland. Between the years 1993 and 1999 Harland was first a civil affairs officer with the UNPROFOR (UN Protection Force) Command and then head of Civil Affairs for Sector Sarajevo:
…[In cross-examination] Harland confirmed Karadzic’s claim that the Muslim regime took steps to exacerbate the suffering of the civilian population in Sarajevo. He said, “I am aware that there were cases when they were shooting at the insulators on the electrical lines from the Bosnian side of the line” in order to cut-off power to the civilian population in Sarajevo. And he said, “I remember [Fred Cuny] was very involved in trying to increase the flow of water at Lapisnica [to the civilian population in Sarajevo], and there were a lot of obstacles he encountered from the government side.”
Karadzic read out excerpts from Harland’s earlier testimony in the Milosevic trial. There Harland had testified that “The Serb strategy of shelling [Sarajevo] was often in response. By launching an attack, the Bosniaks precipitated responses that were not necessarily against those fighting but also against the civilian population.” He said, “it was particularly common in Sarajevo [that the Muslims] wanted the media to see the Serbs attacking, and so they had to sometimes create the conditions for that.”
After reviewing the excerpts, Harland said “The general characterization is correct.” He told the court, “Certainly, the media was a key factor in the strategy of the Bosnian government.”
Harland also agreed with Karadzic’s claim that the “civic and human rights” of Serbs and Croats “were threatened” in Sarajevo. …
Harland recalled an incident where a Muslim sniper boasted to him that he had killed two young Serbian girls with one bullet just because he could...
Harland testified that he was witness to two incidents of the Muslim snipers firing on their own people. He said there was one incident “in late 1993 and one in early 1994 of Bosniak snipers shooting at Bosniaks, including one where General Rose’s bodyguard returned fire at the Bosniaks shooting at the Bosniaks.”
The self-inflicted sniping benefited Muslim propaganda. Harland said whenever “there was a victim of shelling or sniping on Bosnian-controlled territory, it was assumed in the international media that the firing had been from the RS Army territory”
The practice of targeting one’s own civilians with sniper fire was unique to the Muslim side of the conflict. Harland said that he was “unaware of any instance where the Republika Srpska Army shot at their own civilians” and he “doubted if there was any such instance.” […]
To close, here’s what you’ve been missing from the trial’s first Srebrenica witness, who claims to have survived the July 1995 Srebrenica massacre by feigning death:
by Andy Wilcoxson, May 5, 2010, Hearing Date: April 21, 2010
The trial of Radovan Karadzic heard its first testimony about Srebrenica from [a] protected prosecution witness testifying under the pseudonym KDZ064. The witness had previously testified in the Milosevic and Popovic trials.
…Karadzic asked the witness [in reference to his protected status], “Do you know any witnesses who my supporters executed?” The witness replied, “I don't know, but I'm afraid for myself. I'm not really interested too much about others.”
Prior to the war, the witness lived in Belgrade, Serbia. He came to Bosnia on April 3, 1992 to join the Muslim war effort. The witness said, “I came only when the war was beginning in Bijeljina … I do have the right to defend my village.”
When Karadzic asked who he was defending his village from the Witness said, “From whoever attacked it, whether it was a Muslim, Croat, a Serb. You defend your country from any enemy….”
When Karadzic tried to show the witness a map from the Cutileiro peace plan, the witness lost his mind. The witness said, “If I had some sort of scarf or something, I would cover the screen so I don't have to look at this map.” The witness insisted “I don't want to have anything to do with the map. I don't want to mark anything on the map.”
Then the witness launched into a tirade against Karadzic saying, “You wanted to drive us out of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to create an ethnically pure territory. You didn't want to have us in Bosnia and Herzegovina any longer.”
KDZ064’s hysterical reaction to the map took even the Judges by surprise. Judge Kwon beseeched the witness, “Mr. Witness, please calm down. Just answer the question.”
Throughout the cross-examination KDZ064 was belligerent and non-cooperative. Judge Kwon had to tell the witness “answering the question is the best way to assist the Chamber to find the facts in this case, so I don't find your non-cooperation very helpful.”
Judge Baird had to explain to the witness, “Dr. Karadzic is entitled to ask you questions. He is entitled to cross-examine you.”
KDZ064 seemed to be of the opinion that he didn’t need to answer the questions. On one occasion he told the judge, “I can't answer stupid questions.” He told the bench, “If you don't like what I'm saying, just tell me. You can tell me, ‘Sir, you can leave and go back to where you came from.’”
After the witness arrived in Bosnia he joined the BH Army together with his brother. Karadzic asked him, “You were a soldier of the BH Army; isn't that right?” The witness answered, “Yes.” Karadzic asked, “And this other brother of yours, was he also a soldier?” and again the witness said, “Yes.”
The witness insisted that the BH Army was unarmed. He said, “We had men, but we didn't have any weapons. All we had were our bare chests.”
He also described the JNA as the “Serb Army”…As to why the JNA was predominantly Serbian, Karadzic asked the witness, “[Were] Muslim soldiers and officers leaving the JNA pursuant to instructions of your leadership, and did your leadership prevent the response to the call-up?” The witness answered, “Yes, it did.”
Karadzic showed the witness a document (exhibit D38) entitled “Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Municipal Staff of the armed forces of Zvornik, report on the state, organizational, and formational structure and combat readiness of the units of the armed forces of Zvornik” dated November 5, 1992.
The document was issued by the command of the BH Army (of which the witness was a member) and it explicitly dealt with command structure of the army in the Zvornik region including the triangle Kamenica, Cerska, Srebrenica. It discussed arms procurement and preparations for combat….According to the document: “The grounds of successful resistance were accredited to the preparations undertaken several months before the war, which were thus reflected in the effectiveness of a large part of the activists, the organized arming, and resolve to offer resistance at any cost…[T]he arrival and activity of Captain Hajrudin Mesic… together with Captain Mehdin, Senad Hodzic…managed to create a sense of the need for armed resistance as well as the potential and the effectiveness of freedom fighting. Captain Hajra's group was the first combat unit in this region.
“With the conduct of combat operations, the focus should be directed at the operations to liberate and open the corridor toward Kamenica, enabling us to maintain the corridor….”
The witness, who was a BH Army soldier in Kamenica from April 1992 until March 1993 (i.e. when the document was written), reacted to the document from the command of his own military by saying, “Oh, come on let’s leave those stories, empty stories.” Karadzic responded saying, “Well, you can tell your commander that.” And again the witness said, “Leave those empty stories and rumors. They're just rumors.”
So if we believe this witness, the command of the BH Army was engaged in Serbian rumor-mongering.
Karadzic read out an excerpt from a book entitled “Zvornik from elections to Dayton” written by a Muslim named Mirza Hamzic.
The book said, “The Patriotic League was formed [in Zvornik] on July the 26th, 1991 (many months before the war started), in a youth library in Kula Grad…A meeting was held during which it was decided that Sakib Halilovic, aka Kibe, was to be named as the commander.”
Karadzic asked the witness, “Do you know Sakib Halilovic?” and the witness said “Yes.”
This witness was a soldier in the BH Army, he left his home in Belgrade to come and fight in Bosnia, and he knew the commander of the Patriotic League in Zvornik. It’s not like he was some kind of helpless civilian.
…Shortly after the witness came to his village to fight, an eleven-year-old Serbian boy named Slobodan Stojanovic was dismembered after being captured by an Albanian BH Army soldier named Elfete Veseli. She captured the boy as he was attempting to rescue his dog and the BH Army proceeded to chop [off] his limbs. Karadzic submitted a report on the incident, which was admitted as exhibit D39. The witness was a member of the BH Army in the same village where this happened.
The witness explained the incident saying, “We heard that the child had been killed, but nobody said that the child had been massacred.” He also said, “Nobody expelled [the Stojanovic family]. They decided to leave of their own accord.”
Imagine that, they decided to leave of their own accord after the witness’s army dismembered their eleven-year-old son. It’s a big mystery why they’d want to flee isn’t it?
When Karadzic turned his attention to Srebrenica the witness told the judges, “the United Nations linked up the Bosniak people and gave the executioners all their weapons. Gentlemen, you know that Srebrenica was a protected area, and it should not have fallen, and you allowed 18,000 inhabitants to be killed.”
…The witness just isn’t credible. He left his home in Belgrade to come to Bosnia and fight for the Muslim cause. He joined the BH Army where in his village his brothers-in-arms dismembered an eleven-year-old Serbian boy, and then he tries to say the boy's family left the village voluntarily. He knew the commander of the Patriotic League in Zvornik. He’s making fantastic claims about the UN arming the Bosnian-Serbs and about the Bosnian-Serbs massacring 18,000 Muslims when the highest estimate that anyone else ever heard of is 8,000 victims. He was belligerent. He refused to answer questions. He insisted that the BH army was unarmed even when contradicted by information compiled by the command of the army itself. He’s saying that he personally heard Karadzic on the radio threatening to take revenge on the Srebrenica Muslims, yet nobody managed to record it and the Prosecutor doesn’t have any record of it.
It’s certainly worth entertaining the thought that the whole story he told the prosecutor about surviving a mass-execution at the Orahovac school on July 14, 1995 by feigning death was fiction…
Indeed, we later learn that fiction is what it was:
by Andy Wilcoxson, May 11, 2010
The first Srebrenica witness in the trial of Radovan Karadzic perjured himself on the witness stand. Protected prosecution witness KDZ064 has given demonstrably plagiarized testimony. KDZ064 falsely testified that he had survived execution by a Bosnian-Serb firing squad by feigning death. In reality, KDZ064 plagiarized the testimony of a well-known witness named Kemal Mehmedovic.
KDZ064’s testimony is IDENTICAL in almost every minute detail to Kemal Mehmedovic's testimony. In March 1993 Mehmedovic and KDZ064 both claim to have fled Kamenica to Konjevic Polje and then to Srebrenica. KDZ064 testified that he worked in Belgrade before the war and that he had one able-bodied brother who fled through the woods with him towards Tuzla, and that he had another disabled brother who went to Potocari. Mehmedovic tells exactly the same story in his testimony. The dates, the towns, and even the disabled brother at Potocari are the same.
KDZ064 clearly plagiarized Kemal Mehmedovic’s testimony and palmed it off as his own experience. Compare Kemal Mehmedovic’s testimony in the trial of Bosnian Serb army officers Vidoje Blagojevic and Dragan Jokic, as well as Mehmedovic’s witness statement to KDZ064’s testimony in the Karadzic trial. The testimony is way too similar to just be a coincidence...And really, if I can figure this out. The prosecutor should have been able to figure it out too.
And now for the rest of KDZ064’s testimony:
May 11, 2010, Hearing date: April 22, 2010
...Because the witness’s identity is protected, the village that he comes from can not be revealed, but it came out during the cross-examination that in his village, and in many of the surrounding villages, mass graves of Serbs who were massacred were found.
Karadzic also showed the witness a hand-written note from (Srebrenica-Muslim military commander) Nasir Oric (exhibit D70 MFI) ordering the summary execution of Serbs from Sandici (the village where the witness says he was captured by the Bosnian-Serbs). The witness, predictably, denied the authenticity of the note.
…The witness was emphatic that Srebrenica had been demilitarized. He insisted, “Yes, yes, yes, it was demilitarized.”
When asked to confirm that he never heard or saw any fighting around Srebrenica before the 11th of July 1995 the witness said, “That’s right, and there wasn’t any fighting then either. The people left without any fighting.”
When asked how many men in the column that set out for Tuzla were armed the witness said, “I don’t know. Maybe about 400 rifles.”
The witness’s outrageous claims about the UN and the scale of the massacre, his dogged insistence that Srebrenica was peaceful and demilitarized, and his claim that the column was largely unarmed strain credulity. Even the prosecution acknowledges that Srebrenica wasn’t demilitarized. In its report about the fall of Srebrenica, the ABiH [Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina] acknowledges that the column of 10,000 to 15,000 men that set [out] for Tuzla on July 11-12, 1995 (which the witness claims to have been a part of) had 6,000 armed soldiers in it. (example: Popovic trial exhibit 1D00839.E and 1D00839)
KDZ064’s propensity for exaggeration and his obvious vendetta against the Serbs cast serious doubt on the credibility of his testimony…When Karadzic expressed doubt about the truthfulness of KDZ064’s testimony, the witness expressed his wish that Radovan Karadzic’s children be killed. He told Karadzic, “May you look at your own children dead.”
The prosecution did not try to rehabilitate the witness. They did not ask any questions in re-examination. They just let him go. Presumably, they realized that he wasn’t helping their case and they wanted to get him off the witness stand as quickly as possible.
For some background on what really started the Bosnian War -- including Bosniak paramilitaries shooting at unarmed soldiers as the JNA retreated, as well as the proverbial shot heard ‘round the world (the killing of a Serbian groom’s father by a Bosnian-Muslim who was subsequently rewarded with a commander post) -- please see Wilcoxson’s “Civilian Death Toll of Sarajevo ‘Siege’ Grossly Over-Stated.” And here you can learn about the deal that the Bosnian government made with the U.S. to sacrifice Srebrenica. Here it is from the horse’s mouth as well.