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http://schnellmann.org/Islamic_Stoning_to_Death.html
Maryam Namazie
President of Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
Stoning in Islam - According to Hadith Sahih Bukhari & Muslim
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second-degree murder????
What does it take to get first-degree?


"...prompting heated debate on ... whether or not her death was [a] crime of honour or a horrible case of domestic violence."
I'm confused -- calculated "domestic violence" murder is OK, but honor killing is not.

Reading this Rifqa came up in my head. Any news about her? We should keep an eye on her!

Islam is so sad....

I remember how I used to fend off heated and unpleasant debates with friends and colleagues about the morality and timing of abortion (none / first / second / third trimesters). I would joke that I believed in abortion until the age of 13, and might consider 21. Ha ha! Let's change the subject.

Then I found out Islam actually supports it, and worse still, some Muslims actually practice it!

After "Toronto Life" did a cover story on the Aqsa's murder, some Islamic community activists in Canada claimed it was a domestic violence issue that affects Canadians of all backgrounds and not an Islamic issue. Today the truth comes out. Thank you Pamela for having the guts to speak out in a way no Canadian would ever have the guts to do.

Canadians are a bunch of pussies when it comes to speaking out against Islamic practices. After all, those dumb bastards gave us "Little Mosque on the Prairie?". This is headshakingly stupid - and Canadians are all dumb enough to buy this propaganda.

The honor-killers got a slap on the wrist. They are eligible for parole in 10 years. On a sad note, reading the comments from readers responding to the CBC article is rather sad. Many of them are in denial that islam had anything to do with it. They call it "domestic violence". Please show your disgust at the left-wing posters on that forum.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/15/parvez-guilty-plea.html#socialcomments

It was CAIR-Canada's mouthpiece on a TV show doing damage-control by making 48% of all male canadian guitly of 'Potential' violence as the Honour-Killing was filed under "Domestice-Violence" even when I have never seen this type for groteque slaughtering of a female. The worse I heard of was a neighbour back in around 1966 that had Traum issue from WW2 and at night he woke up and killed his wife and 2 kids then had a heart attack and died as he fled the home to the front lawn.
BUT,not one Media outlet or feminist group bashed all men or labelled it Domestic violence.

Check out the 1989 mass-slaughter in the shooting of 20 females by Jihad in Montreal because Allah was offended as females in canada could go to schools and take jobs from Muslims males. CAIR has never told the truth about Gamil Gharbi that had a Pro-Shariah Father immigrant that enforced it at home with his Mother as well.
The MSM feared using the "M" word,so the killer became a 'Male' which the Feminists/men-haters hi-jacked and created layers upon layers of Non-Profit anti-men groups to get Annual hand-outs from the Tax payers.
The majority of child murders are done by Females,the vast majority of those are Mothers or female relatives believing they are protecting the child from future harm.The majority of abortions actually kill female babies merely by genetics as females are always over 50% of the population.

This Honour killing was a Islam/Quran/Muslim/Misogynistic murder with very little to do with Domestic violence.
The Ground-Zero Mega-Moques will exalt all those Killers in private during Friday prayers,unless the Mosque wants to use a Video display outisde for people to see and hear what is spewed.If Muslims really want to show us the Peaceful teaching from thier God loving Qurans,then why hide the Mosque on the top floor to make it tough for the Disabled visitors,and why not make it clear that Females WILL NOT have their OWN door to get in and their OWN spot pray at the back of the Bus like Ms.Parks refused to do.

@thumbnail
The CBC comments are moderated by idiots, apparently. Many comments I have submitted have never appeared. Half the time I am probably "banned" for sending in politically incorrect comments. CBC as a whole seems to have been brainwashed by Muslims into being politically correct left-wing zombies. I'm surprised they have even allowed comments on that story. Usually they close comments on anything that makes Muslims and other immigrants look bad--if they run the story at all, that is.

Go to this site for uncensored news: http://immigrationcaqc.blogspot.com/

As for the 10 year jail sentence--that is what a life sentence in Canada is for all but a few multiple murderer (who are eligible for parole after 25 years!). So these barbarians will be eligible for parole after 10 years.

The legal system in Canada is completely dysfunctional and ineffective against the "multicultural" criminals from all over the world who move here to set up shop. Our only hope of getting rid of them is if they make the mistake of going down to the States and getting arrested down there. When that happens we all cheer because we know they will go to jail for a long time.

Beautiful plaque. I thought there was a headstone?

@thumbnail

"and Canadians are all dumb enough to buy this propaganda"

Which Canadians? I sure as hell don't buy it, and I will bet most American Democrats buy it, as I am sure your President does. Canada, America, Australia, UK, Europe ... all have serious problems with denial and appeasement when it comes to Islam - lets focus on de-normalizing the blind acceptance of Islamic propaganda, rather than making unproductive generalizations.

@ Gordon: I follow Canadian news and current events quite closely, and raised the honour killing at Kingston with my family. There was absolute silence. As far as I am concerned, this show "Little Mosque on the Prairie" ran for four or five seasons, and was paid for by Canadian taxpayers, and I get the sense that it is impolite in Canadian society to raise the spectre of honour crimes. I have to say that I grew up reading Laura Ingalls Wilder's books. I am spitting chips that the government has hijacked this woman's work (ok they probly paid some money for the rights), and that the Ingalls Wilder brand was used for propaganda to whitewash the barbarism that comes from allowing Muslims to immigrate.

I will go to the links above, and will try to avoid making unproductive generalisations.

Here is a website about the Religion of Peace, with a picture of the family whose daughter was recently stabbed.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Have you see the toronto star coverage today? it's like they are blaming her for what happened. even have the mom crying on the front page -- and the mom KNEW the dad was giong to "break her arms and legs/" Shame on the toronto star!!!!!

To clarify a few things first, @thumbnail "Canadians are all dumb enough to buy this propaganda" up yours. We most certainly are not all Dumb enough to by this propaganda and further as Gordon pointed out a hell of a lot of Americans do buy into it. It's like me saying all Americans are dumb enough to buy into the claims of Truthers. Or me saying all Americans buy into the propaganda because U.S. taxpayer money goes to programs to appease Muslims: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/feb/u-s-pays-muslims-special-islamic-meals

Also the cbc is not government controlled it is government funded the decision to air that particular piece of crap was the decision of some t.v. exec not the Canadian people. Also try sorting the cbc comments by the ones that have received the most positive votes and you will see pages of comments by people who also do not "buy into the propaganda". I could go on for pages about this but there are more important aspects to get to, all I'm basically saying is to stop being such a "Dumb Bastard" yourself lest someone equally clueless accuse all Americans of being the same merely because of your conduct.

As for Sentencing they were allowed to plead guilty to second degree murder as part of a plea bargain which is why it was not first degree murder. They were sentenced to life imprisonment and are eligible for parole after 18 years not ten as people here have suggested. Note "eligible" for parole it is very unlikely they will receive it after only 18 years it is very likely they will do over twenty years before parole is ever seriously considered for the father who will be over 80 at that time and likely even longer before the son has a serious chance at being paroled. I agree that there is any chance of them getting out is a crime in itself but the legal response is hardly as lax as people here seem to want to believe.

Pamela, what's that 2nd JNF picture doing here? That looks like the IDF memorial park down in the Jordan Valley, next to Petza'el.

It is not just "political correctness" that is at work in the reaction to this murder, it is the left-wing feminists who latch onto every situation where there is violence against a woman or girl and use it to prove that the fundamental issue is men's violence against women rather than mental illness (murder of women in Montreal many years ago) or cultural beliefs that do not conform to any civilized society (this case). One of the most shocking aspects of this situation is that the family is quoted as being "supporting" these 2 murderers. There is no regret on the part of the murderers or their family. To them, this was caused entirely by the victim. Citizens or not, I would support legislation to oust the remaining family members from Canada to be followed by the murderers when they are released. Their acceptance in Canada all stems from the father who emigrated to Canada from Pakistan first (and somehow succeeded in claiming "refugee" status - disgusting!!).

There were 11 family members present. Only two were held to account for their crime.
What about the remainder? They were in my view complicit and if not punished need at least to be placed under supervision and made to understand why their collective action was not acceptable in a free and democratic society. If they cannot be convinced of this they should be returned to their country of origin irrespective of their citizenship status.

@Libby
First degree in Canada requires that you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt with evidence(written/video/etc aka planned and deliberate), otherwise it slips to 2nd degree which is still life(25yrs). Also remembering in Canada that "all murder that isn't first degree, is second degree". Which still means you intended to kill the person, you simply didn't write out your plans. You went and killed them deliberately.

@ian maclure
Canadian law, you have to have evidence that proves that they were culpable. I agree that they should be held accountable, but unfortunately the charter ties the laws hands on a lot of stuff. Which means you need solid evidence to be able to prove that they were involved in some way. No proof, no trial.

@Libby - "charter ties the laws hands on a lot of stuff."
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Indeed, the Charter of Rights seems to be of no benefit to anyone but criminals. That is the only time we hear about it. In B.C. the government is prosecuting the fundamentalist Mormons at Bountiful for polygamy. Likely the polygamy law will end up being struck down because of the charter. Then we will have Muslims with four wives living legally in Canada! Disgusting!

Sorry, my last post should have said @Mashi
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About the sentencing of murders in Canada, here is a quote from Correction Services Canada:
===quote
"Offenders serving life sentences for first-degree murder become eligible for unescorted temporary absences and day parole three years before their full parole eligibility date (normally 25 years). An offender may apply for escorted temporary absences after admission to a federal institution.

The sentencing judge determines when people convicted of second degree murder are eligible for consideration for parole, which can be set between 10 and 25 years. The Judicial Review provisions also apply for second-degree murder, if the parole eligibility date is set beyond 15 years. Inmates incarcerated for second-degree murder become eligible for consideration for unescorted temporary absences and day parole three years before their full parole eligibility date."
==========end quote
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/faits/03-06-eng.shtml

The judge in this case has set parole eligibility at 18 years (as DHB said above), which is quite severe for Canada. But still these monsters will be eligible for day parole in 15 years, and may well get it. Many other murderers have done so, believe me.

Article about sentencing for this case:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Parvez+father+brother+life+sentence/3158523/story.html
=======quote
...in issuing his ruling Wednesday, Justice Bruce Durno said the “abhorrent motivation” called for a significant penalty.

“It is profoundly disturbing that a 16-year-old woman, no doubt facing significant challenges adjusting to living in a very different society than her parents,’ could be murdered by her father and brother for the purpose of saving the family pride...That twisted, chilling and repugnant mindset could imply that the family pride could at least be kept intact — or perhaps even enhanced — by having two grown men overpower and kill a vulnerable teenager,” Durno said.
====end quote

Well, I wonder if the father and brother have settled into the penitentiary yet. Don't drop the soap.

This is the problem with all of the religions, they are all twisted. Nutcases can twist those fairy tales to justify all types of horrors and mean whatever they want them to mean.

I stopped for gas on the way home today at the corner gas station near the high school. I was watching people while I filled my tank and I saw a kid waiting for the crossing signal in a hijab. Aqsa's story was on my mind, and I was thinking to myself, "maybe it's better if you just leave the rag on, kiddo".

Rough, but at least the bastards were convicted.

Economics9698

Yes indeed there is a real headstone. I've seen it with my own eyes, and touched it with my own hands. It looks like red granite, it's flush with the ground, and is inscribed with words to the effect of "In Loving Memory of Aqsa Parvez", and flowers. It's modest, but nice. Hopefully it's still there.

Yes, finally, they put a stone in after being shamed into by this blog and others. It took close to two years after her death.

I too contacted the CBC over my opinion that was also censored and asked the Ombudsman about this policy.
His insulting retorts was that they get so many nut cases filled with hate that they ignore many opinion that deviate from the social norm for CRTC standards.
Excuse me Sir????
You have no right to select who opinion is valid just because you live in a false-reality of a fascists doctrine to impose what values you feel society must conform to.

@Gary
"Excuse me Sir????
You have no right to select whose opinion is valid just because you live in a false-reality of a fascists doctrine to impose what values you feel society must conform to. "
======================
Gary, truer words were never spoken.

I'm trying to stay away from CBC. None of my comments seem to appear any more. No doubt I am blacklisted for being a "nut case filled with hate". Now if you send in comments filled with hate towards Christians or Jews CBC will have no problems posting those!

I think also that whether or not a comment gets through depends on who happens to be the moderator at the time. Lots of comments against Islam were allowed on the story about Aqsa, and it is good to see that such comments are rated overwhelming as "thumbs up". Hopefully another moderator doesn't come along and delete those comments. I've seen that happen.
Perhaps the Mohammedan moderators are not working today because anti-Islam comments are making it through here:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/16/parvez-sentence.html#socialcomments

I think it is time we all stand in the face of this madness, I don't want to be politically right and I don't want to hear anymore about "moderate islam" cause it does not exist. I know from my years growing up in a Muslim country that a moderate muslim is simply a muslim who doesn't follow islam and it is only a matter of time and a couple of lectures in a mosque and the moderate muslim discovers the true islam and becomes a radical muslim.

Are we willing to waste more time on discussing niqab, honor killings, sharia law, and the list goes on. What are we going to do to tell our politicians that enough is enough? Why is it so hard for them to say that this is the Canadian way of life, take it or leave it? How comes I'm forced to share public space with a person who has the privilage of walking around un-identified because religion said a woman must wear a mask?

I posted some comments at CBC and I got some thumbs down, but a lot more up, it's encouraging.

We can't just sit and watch our way of life changing in front of our eyes, we have to speak up.

just to point out im canadian...and actually know a lot of people who knew this girl and people are perverting the facts. Yes its very sad her own father killer her, but she wasnt killed because she refused to wear the headscarf....no one in her family even wore the headscarf. It was a bigger issue behind it that had nothing to do with Islam. Her family was strict...as a lot of immigrant families are...from whereever they may be...she didnt get along with the male members of her family. Stop relating honor killings to muslims...it's not an actual muslim practice it goes against the religion. In canada ive seen more honor killing by Hindus and Sikhs than muslims.

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