911 Mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf Blames Christians: "The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end"

The imam behind the 911 talks one way to the infidels and kuffars on the television and quite another when he is not building shrines to 911. Check out what Robert wrote about him in 2004.

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Feisal Abdul Rauf (ECTN) Jihadwatch

Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, expects us to believe that jihad warfare was started by the West and can only be ended by the West. He is therefore either concealing or ignorant of the fact that violent jihad is a developed tradition within Islam and found in core Islamic texts (including but not limited to the Qur'an, as well as Hadith and books of Islamic jurisprudence). In those it has nothing to do with the behavior of infidels. It only has to do with the fact that they are infidels. Take, for example, this quotation from the Muslim prophet Muhammad:

When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim, book 019, Number 4294)

That is offensive jihad. It is buttressed by numerous other sayings of the Prophet, by the Qur'an, and by Islamic legal scholars. But Feisal Abdul Rauf puts it all on the West, and gets invited to Australia by Premier Bob Carr.

The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end, says an Islamic cleric invited to Sydney by Premier Bob Carr.

New York-based Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who impressed Mr Carr at an international conference last year, arrives in Sydney today for two weeks of meetings and public talks.

Speaking from his New York mosque, Imam Feisal said the West had to understand the terrorists' point of view.

In a move likely to cause controversy with church leaders, Imam Feisal said it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians.

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

This is outrageously specious, but it depends on the ignorance of the listeners. The bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima were not justified by the bombers on the basis of Christian theology. The bombings by terrorists -- 9/11, 3/11, etc. -- are justified on the basis of Islamic theology. By claiming that they are equivalent, Abdul Rauf obscures the Islamic roots of modern-day terrorism, thus hindering the prospects for the reform within Islam that is so desperately needed if jihad terrorism is ever going to cease.

Imam Feisal said the bombing in Madrid had made his message more urgent. He said there was an endless supply of angry young Muslim rebels prepared to die for their cause and there was no sign of the attacks ending unless there was a fundamental change in the world.

Yes indeed. But displaying a lack of the self-critical faculty that he shares with radical Muslims, he makes no mention, at least according to this report, of the Islamic roots of terror, and of the need for Muslims who truly (rather than deceptively) oppose terror to address this problem.

Imam Feisal, who argues for a Western style of Islam that promotes democracy and tolerance, said there could be little progress until the US acknowledged backing dictators and the US President gave an "America Culpa" speech to the Muslim world.

Of course. The historical depredations of jihad, they were all the fault of the West. The fall of Constantinople? Probably because of Byzantium's support for Israel.

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Comments

[Free Agent]

Let's get this straight, If muslims commit atrocities it is because of islam and nothing else. Muslims who commit acts of terror do so because of the dictates of islam, the koran & their prophet. The fact that they are muslims is the only excuse they will ever need to commit acts of terror.

They will try to blame everyone & anything else for their murderous acts, but the truth remains, it is simply islam. And until everyone is converted to islam, the acts of terror will continue.

[BruceScorpio]

Islam's dhitummi(sp)as mentioned;[Sahih Muslim, book 019, #4294]; accept Islam or die, pay Islam Tax, be subservient or die, or die being a non-believer Infidel...
Great Choices???Islam equals Tyranny!!!

[Egghead]

Even after converting to the whole world to Islam, Islam will cause acts of terror among sects. There are the Sunni versus the Shia, and Saudi Arabia versus Iran versus Turkey, etc., all constantly and violently fighting for dominance.

During the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, Iran and Iraq lost so many men that both countries drugged their young five and six year old boys, lightly armed the boys, and sent the boys to the front lines to die. (source: National Public Radio at that time - Today's sources cite soldiers as young as 12, but I recall hearing about five and six year old soldiers. Evidently, the children were used as human mine sweepers to detonate the mines before the older soldiers came through.) The tremendous loss of life is why Iran is such a YOUNG country today - everyone else was killed in the Iran-Iraq war.

You gotta love the religion of peace....or else they'll kill you!

[AuntieMadder]

You're so right, Egghead. When there aren't any non-Muslims around to slaughter, Muslims turn on one another. Sometimes that means turning on their own female family members in their own homes. But always always always Muslims must murder and mutiliate. Always. And, yes, they always always always blame others, usually the victims, for their crimes.

[Little2political]

No mosques at all would be the best and safest policy for America.

But just because I know it will never happen in this upside down world that we now find ourselves living in, how about this:

One mosque in America for every Church or Synagogue in Saudi Arabia.
It is the Saudis who supply the major funding of mosques here and the jihadist propaganda that fills their bookshelves.

[No Shariah]

No reason to preach to the choir but their is one key point here that is made most clear.

ISLAM is the source of TERROR in the WAR on TERROR.
ISLAM is the source of TERROR in the WAR on TERROR.
ISLAM is the source of TERROR in the WAR on TERROR.
ISLAM is the source of TERROR in the WAR on TERROR.
ISLAM is the source of TERROR in the WAR on TERROR.

[N. Carolina IceTea]

http://www.stnicholasnyc.com/
THIS SITE AS GOOD PICTURES AND INFO.

Please check out the site of a church destroyed on 9-11 WHEN THE SOUTH TOWER( 2) FELL ON TOP OF IT.

They have been pushed and shunted aside by the City of New York while trying to get started re-building their church.

The city wants to move them too move the site of the original church and then make them pay for a $35 MILLION blast proof tunnel that will underneath the new site.

The city just keeps putting road blocks in their way AND YET ENCOURAGES THE BUILDING OF A NEW MOSQUE NEAR THE WTC SITE.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH BLOOMBERG???

THIS SHOULD A RALLYING CRY FOR ALL OF US....

NO MOSQUE!!!! RE-BUILD ST.NICHOLAS CHURCH!!!

[debrobeaudean]

BULL DOZE THIS MOSQUE!!!!!
I live by it and I see the flood of people attending each Friday... police help them to cross the street... they do not help the catholics to cross the same street to go to mass.... just the muslims get to cut last period of high school, park all over the place and get help from 2 policemen each Friday... America is slitting its own throat... this has GOT TO BE PROPHESY! WE ARE NOT THIS STUPID!!!

[N. Carolina IceTea]

Mark Steyne has a wonderful article on the mosque to be built. Check it out:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/-247715--.html

And, yes debrobeaudean, BULLDOZE the mosque!!

[Lars]

Obama's apology tour was a total waste of time, rationality and logic is a sign of weakness to psychopaths.

[al Kidya]

Hey! If it's terror they want then it's terror they'll get.
Fight fire with fire!
Paradise awaits them.

[David E Steelman]

I think this idiots turban is wrapped to tight. He accuses the wedt for Dresden Germany and Hiroshima Japan. But he fails to mention both countries were the ones who started aggressions. Germany with it;s bombing raids on London and also their V1 and V2 Rockets all primarily civillian populations. Also the U-Boat attacks on Merchant shipping. As for Japan after their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor . Also he failds to mention Arabs were Germanys allies after Germany introduced some modernistic technology so they would not have to use muzzle-loaders any more. After all back then many Arabs were still sleeping in tents and riding camels and cooking with deied camel dung.If he hates us so much why doesn't he leave and go somewhere else. Your guess is as good as mine. He is here as etes for the enemy of the USA.

[Winged Hussar 1683]

"Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York imam, expects us to believe that jihad warfare was started by the West and can only be ended by the West."

He's half right. A Trident missile boat could end jihad for good.

[lemonade]

As a currently out-of-work, unemployed building contractor in America I say "Let's take this lemon and make lemonade." Let Saudi Arabia pour their $$ into our pockets to build this monster mosque that Feisal Abdul Rauf is backing. Upon completion, we could then knock it down, Muslim style, and start over from "Ground Zero"!

[Jackson Pearson]

Other than murdering, threats, convert to Muslim or else, rape, and subjugation, what has Islam done beneficial for mankind? ANYONE???

[charles rollo]

They are spitting in our face, plain ad simple. They are getting a Mosque built and the trade Center site goes unused. They are making a statement with this project.
it just amazes me that the liberal board does NOT see the forest before the trees. Or is it the Obama administration who is looking for a new world order.
He apologizes for the US to Muslims. What next a Klan office in Harlem.

charles

[Infidel]

In their minds, they are conquering America. Wake up folks, and fight back. Otherwise, we will all be paying the jizya tax soon.
And no matter what anyone says, Islam is the only religion that advocates violence.

[walter bland]

It is indeed a shame that any mosque is even considered near the 9/11 attack.
What ever happened to the statesmen that use to uphold our Constitution?
I am very much against the building of any mosque.

[Hannah Robinson]

You are correct it is prophesy....all who will NOT join them will be beheaded. Where does the persecution take place? It takes place where the largest population of Jews and Christians live..AMERICA. Where does the anti-CHRIST need to be to persecute Christians and Jews? AMERICA.All of you are smart to see it coming....and the only way to win is to BUILD THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM...THE MESSIAH comes...we win, I know cause I read the whole book.

[Wolf]

Where in the Constitution does it say that places of worship can't be built near where the World Trade Centers used to be, Walter? Actually, the Constitution has nothing against what Weasal Abdul Rauf wants to do. I'm also very much against the building, but you're using a poor argument.

[Gotta Stop Them]

My husband hit the nail on the head when he said the building of the mosque at ground zero is akin to a dog marking it territory.

[salgal]

This is a sad time when a radical Imam demands apology from a country defending itself. What if the situation were reversed and we bombed their buildings and killed thousands of their people? This man is a brain-washed maniac. All these radical muslims are brainwashed. New York should be standing fast in forbidding the occupation of these radical muslims. What IS wrong with Bloomburg?

Do you notice that our citizens are totally disregarded? That the people we elected to serve us completely ignore us? We have to fight this by electing someone who will listen to constituents. Fire Bloomberg.

Imam Rauf has nerve coming into our country, building a mosque near Ground Zero and then criticizing us and demanding apologies? Tell him to go back where he came from.

[Charlie]

What does everyone expect? We now have towelhead as president. He will do nothing to help stop it,hes part of it. All you have to do is look at his lifes record. I believe we just have too many people in power thats scared of him all the way from polititions to congress to the supreme court etc. It seems like they are all afraid to speak up to him. Anything the muslims want he bends over backwards to accomodate them.Hes not a man and has no backbone and neither are all these people in power letting this happen.

[Runninbear]

Finally some one who sees this as what it is "A CULT" If the so called Peace muslims don't eject this kind of extremeism they are condoning these acts of teror.They would claim white is black and black is white?Europe is finally getting the message that they only accept one of 3 ways "TOTAL SUBMISSION" OR DEATH"OR DHIMMTUDE?Ive served this country to give these rights to anyone who believes in this country and they DO NOT?This country was founded on reglious freedom but this isn't reglion.Its a political based cult that spreads fear and condons "Honor killings"and will put a fatahwa or death sentence on you for a cartoon of their murderer Mohammaned,or their Koran?
They are atheists that mock the bible but you don't see any christian vowing to kill anyone that disrepects The word.Even Obama has worte that he will side with Islam if any bad comes against Islam.If you ask me thats awful close to that major Haasd in Texas,yelling Allah akbar then gunning down the civilians and unarmed troops?

My Bible teaches me that you train a child in the way he will chose and he will Never depart from it when he is Older? Obama was trained and adopted as a 6 year old and he was trained to be muslim and he is Muslim?He recites the koran better than any Arab or Muslim?
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! (O)bama (M)ust (G)o!

[Jim]

It is clear by the attacks that were pulled off by those that were admitted to this country on student visas. work visas or even given citizenship and by the 14 or so Muslim military trainees that disappeared from military bases that the authorities of the U.S don't have the slightest idea who will live here peaceably and whwo will try their damedest to blow up Americans. So, let's stop admitting any people from any Muslim nations no matter what they say their purpose is in coming here and ship out those that are here.

[4TimesAYear]

Exactly what is it that we are supposed to have done? Seems to me those hijackers are the ones that made Islam look bad.

[Runninbear]

from your lips to Gods Ears? Amen?any one that could kill your own family member isn't a reglion its a CULT?even my God didn't allow Abraham to kill Issac?but they would kill if you even made a joke or draw a cartoon of their reglious Cult? Can you Imagine if all the christians would parade down the streets of America screaming "If you say anything bad about my Bible I will kill you?
Stop Islam from doing what it has done to Europe?and every other country that it has been given entry to their country?

[57]

I love the comments, especially this one; "the only way to win is to BUILD THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM...THE MESSIAH comes...we win, I know cause I read the whole book." I'm game

[Big Ugly]

" The US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end, says an Islamic cleric invited to Sydney by Premier Bob Carr. "

I've got news for "New York-based Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf";
1) He's no 'cleric' by any definition of the word that I am familiar with.
2) He's a 'follower' of one of the most perverted, insane, child molesters that ever existed.
3) If he thinks that the US and the West have done harm to the Muslims ..... you ain't seen nothing yet!

My promise to him before the One True God - Just ask Yamamoto when you see him. It takes a lot to get the American People riled up, but when it happens, May God Have Mercy on You, because WE THE PEOPLE WON'T. By the way, this is something that Congress had better remember, and soon. The failure of Congress WILL BE at their peril.

[unreconstructed Rebel]

salgal, you ask what is wrong w/Bloomburg. Face it, the man is a committed Liberal. To paraphrase the late, great Bro. Dave Garner: He oughtta BE committed for being a Liberal, but New Yorkers elected him, so let them deal with him. You know, too many people equate being super rich with being intelligent, right, and other good attributes. Tain't so. Look at the Socialist Soros whose objective is to destroy the very country that enabled him to get super-wealthy. One day we're gonna take back America. It's ours.

[unreconstructed Rebel]

The Bible was written by men, inspired by God. The Koran was written by one man, inspired by wine & hatred. Our civilization was born in the Mesopotamia region, and it looks like it may die there if we, the rest of the non-Muslim world, don't band together to destroy this cancer on mankind.

[cheryl]

We are the Greatest Nation no matter what anyone has to say! We as Americans have to take a peaceful stand, and get out in the world and share our Gods Love! Young adults and children really need our protection from the Muslim world along with the Progressives agenda.. The young have not seen or been told the truth about our world, and the youth are easily swaded to do harm when they think someone has been hurt unfairly, Even though they are spewing out hate and propaganda the young that are not informed & get confused and will be easily led astray... It is all a Power struggle for the Muslim World and the progressives.. We cannot let them take control of our Young adults, teens and most of all young children.... No Mosk, I find it strange that Obama made fun of us Christians who cling to our God and guns Obama does not stand up and state that the Muslim God is not real oh and make fun of the Muslim Laws. They use there Guns!! Obama has no respect for Americans or our Christian Faith in America. America UP! time to take our land back from the Progressives, We help out so many people around the World it is now time to take a stand and Protect ourselves our kids and our American Values....

[wildwilly360]

you miss speeled sheet,leave out the e's and add an I

[Constancio Asumen]

The problem mainly is that Islam has been at war with America (and the West), but we are not at war with them. Every time an attempt at mass murder manifested itself, foiled or successful, our so-called leaders, political and religious bend over backwards to proclaim that Islam is a religion of peace and we are not at war with Islam.

Well, wake up, people. The sooner we acknowledge, with extreme prejudice, our enemies the better able we are to prevail over them. You cannot fight a war you are hesitant to acknowledge. You cannot win a war you only begrudgingly fight, with utmost hesitation. As I pointed out earlier elsewhere,

“Are we then to wait around for another generation of enlightened intellectuals to decide whether or not it is a war worth fighting and another generation to actually fight this war? Or shall we deny that there is a war being fought! The events of 9/11 changed a lot of things. The principle of self-preservation was not one of them.

“When somebody comes to my house to cut my throat, my first order of business is to prevent it from happening. I’m not going to debate on the merits and causes and motives of the mission. I can take care of that after the mission has been successfully foiled. It is too late to prevent 9/11 from happening. It is imperative that we deter the perpetrators from making a habit of it.”

Cf, http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/asumen/2009/11062009.htm

[pbenton]

Lemonade. Im with you!! that was my thoughts too!!
get er done, and trash it!!!

[Don]

I agree with you on this, ship them all out of our country, and bring our boys home and protect our borders !!!

[pbenton]

B.O., Barry, HUSSEIN, or was that Saddam Hussein, Insane, is a Muslim, so what did we expect?
He didnt take his wifey to Saudi because she is NOT muslim and they are not allowed into country if they are not Muslim married to a muslim! DID you guys know that??
SO I hope everyone VOTES to get rid of this creature before it gets any worse..
Thank you Charles!!

[EARL CALAHAN]

OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST, HOPING TO BE A DICTATOR ( ALA STALIN & HITLER

HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST. HE AND HIS CFR WORLD ORDER GROUP ARE CLOSING IN ON
THEIR OBJECTIVE. CONTROL THE MONEY. CONTROL THE MASSES. CONTROL THE WORLD. OBAMA
IS AIMING TO BE THE TOP HONCHO IN THE TOP RING OF RINGS. IS HE THE ANTICHRIST?
WAKE UP AMERICA. WAKE UP WORLD. YOUR APATHY, ACQUIESCENSE, ACCEPTANCE WILL ALLOW THE
ANTICHRIST TO SET UP HIS WORLD ORDER. JUST AS STALIN AND HITLER SUCCEEDED.
REMEMBER THE HUMAN TOLL OF TORTURED SOULS BY THE MILIONS BEFORE AND AFTER AMERICA
FINALLY AWAKENED. WE SAID NEVER AGAIN. YET WE ARE ON THE THRESHOLD OF REPETITION
OF THIS UNGODLY CONFLAGRATION OF HUMAN SOULS.
WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKEUP IT'S LATER THAN YOU THINK. W-A-K-E U-P

[Jim of FL]

"And until everyone is converted to islam, the acts of terror will continue." Even that is not true, look at Iraq and Afghanistan. You have different islamic groups (Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Al Qaeda, etc.) fighting each other! The Koran is a book of war. It is about power, and the religious leaders use it to empower themselves!

[joecarrsr]

The Terrorists point of view is kill all non-believers of Islam because they are considered infidels to the Muslim World. They are asking Americans to understand their point of view of why they create so much terror.If their point of view is what i said in the above first sentence,then I understand it fully. A concerned American.

[Paul Johnston]

The Ground Zero mosque is a slap in the face of the 9/11 victims and their families. It is a slap in the face of their memories. It is a slap in the face of us all who realize that islam spawned the 9/11 attackers and it is islam who breeds so many other terrorist groups around the world. It is a slap in the face of western civilization, our way of life and culture.

It is said that the building of this mosque near Ground Zero is a way to show tolerance, inclusiveness, freedom of religion and multi-cultralism. What a load of hogwash for the mosque could be built somewhere else in New York city and those same values would still be promoted. It would be like me asking the NYC Lands Commission can I build a mall here and they replied "no, but you can build over here..."

Having that mosque built so near the site of where 3,000+ people died, will only bring a smile to the faces of every radical group(and many other so called moderate muslims). We ALL know that a common dream and goal for radical islamic groups is to have an islamic dominated world, to have an islamic society and to see western culture die....well, doesn't anyone think that the Ground Zero mosque will be a victory for them? Won't it give them glory knowing they destroyed 2 towers of capitalism and freedom only to be replaced nearby with a mosque of their religion?...of course it does!

Wake up USA!!!....Wake UP Canada!!!...Wake up Western World!!!

[mb tompkins]

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish and
send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet
and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good
American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20
years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god
of Arabia .

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah
except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of
Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews .

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the
great Satan.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the
bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent
names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be
both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the
truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better
it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand… but it is REAL!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.
We must Fight with knowledge and truth and will. We must take our politically correct ‘head OUT of the sand’ and help the world grasp reality with courage. Lay your life down for freedom or you will lay down by force of the enemy that will use your rebellion to single you out… as soon as they think they can or when they find another child or young adult to strap on the bomb and pull the cord.

[The Communist's Daughter]

In summation; I really cannot stand ignorance in people. Especially in a bible beating, gun toting, rednecks. Also- I'd much rather be English, Canadian, Australian, English, Irish, Norwegian, German, Russian, French, Scottish, Lithuanian, Japanese, or any other country or culture that isn't American.

Also? I voted for Obama. I think he's amazing. It's just a tragedy that he's being pinned with all Bush's mistakes.

Though, I go back to what I stated before; ingornance in people. Generally it's the ignorance that lends to people being forgetful. There's an issue so it's going to be stuck to the person who is currently in charage, and conveniently forgetting how Bush had a full stretch of eight years to mess everything up.

One last thing- Obama is going to win re-election. Not because he's a popular president, but because the Republican party has absolutely no good canidates to run against him. Lol, here's another four more years guys! I'm so thrilled that it upsets all of you so much, because now you know how the rest of the world has felt for eight years with Bush in Office.

Welcome to now.

Oh and I think the mosque is a fantastic idea. Maybe if we stopped being crazy christian fundamentalists trying to spot the devil around every corner, glorifying ourselves over everyone else, then maybe the entire whole of planet Earth wouldn't hate us so much. That isn't just exclusive to Muslims and the Middle East, but quite literally, (even our allies on some base level) hate us. Completey.

But it's cool, because we're falling apart anyway and are having to call in all our favors and the debts owed to us from WWII.

I really do no like you people. Really. You point the fingers at every other culture, race, and anyone who isn't American, Christian (and often), White. Then you quote scripture, you make proclamations of how everyone else is so unpeaceful and murderers.

There is a group of people in the Middle East that have alligned themselves to be terrorists.

There's also American terrorists.

Every culture, country, race, has some sect of people that are going to take things too far. It's littered throughout history, blaming one, saying things like "we have to rid them from mankind"

I think Hitler said something very similar about the Jewish population.

Hypocrites.

Oh and lastly- I think God is a myth anyway.

So feel free to write all this off as some Godless hethen, who happens to have a sterling education.

But I guess like some upstanding fellow above said "rationality and logic are viewed as weakness" or something like that. I really can't be bothered to go up there and read, because I have so little respect for any of you, that quoting you properly is the least of my concerns.

You're all just a pack of hate mongers, like the terrorists you so vehemently look for. You spread hate and say that it's righteous or avenging. It's not. It's quite plainly spreading hate.

You're all so unbearably and insufferably awful. ALL of you.

And yes, I'm extremely unpatriotic. I am so ashamed to tell people that I'm American sometimes.

[Barry Jackson]

Note to communist daughter:
So leave. I will gladly foot the bill, as long as it's one way. North Korea will open its arms to you.
Or how about Zimbabwe? I hear that if you discount the mass murders, the fraudulent elections, the arbitrary jailings and torture, autocratic tyrannies are really nice places to live, as long as you suck up to the evil thugs who run the place. I'm Canadian. But if I were an American I would be proud to call myself a citizen of the noblest, most exceptional country in the world.

[The Communist's Daughter]

Noble and exceptional? That must be the reason we're billions of dollars in debt and have managed to not only destroy our own economy, but the rest of the world. I suppose that's why one of my good friend who is Canadian, moved to England to try and find a job.

How noble of us. You're very welcome.

Also, if you're paying for all this, I'm driving to your country this weekend to see Paul McCartney. I'll meet you out front. Just hand me an envelope full of cash and we'll call it a day. Canadians- such a friendly people.

[JD]

Hmmm...I wonder, could Bloomberg be making a lot of $ from the Imams for this very expensive sounding mosque??? ie Eminent Domain in a sense, but it is more an ethical protection of this property which should have stricter zoning ordinances put into effect immediately...ie no mosques allowed within so many feet of the 9/11 atrocity sight. Also, the loudspeakers with the very loud "Call to Prayer" that these mosques do, I hear are very disturbing to residents in places like Dearborn, MI which now has the equivalent of Sharia Law enforced by I guess the city of Dearborn a la Chief of Police, I think. Do a google search on it. The sheriff with an Irish name, has yet to return the videos confiscated, belonging to these bold 4 Christians arrested simply for videotaping their presence on the outside of a Muslim festival in Dearborn. Two or three were converted Arab Americans who simply wished to be available to speak with any Muslims wanting to converse about the Gospel or had questions--ie freedom of speech violations were perpetrated by the Chief of Police of Dearborn. Anyhow, re NY 9/11 Mosque controversy, Perhaps this Imam sides with Iran's dictator, Ahmajinidad (sp??) who preposterously denies that the Holocaust even occurred. Otherwise, if he did not deny it, then perhaps he would realize that we were attacked by Japan, and Germany and Hitler were destructively killing their own citizens. I would say our getting involved in the war was not only to help prevent further destruction by these regimes, but also to defend our own country as a result of the Pearl Harbor attack as well as to stop Hitler from further destruction. The building of this mosque on American soil (versus how I imagined earlier could happen in the Middle East at one of their mosques, but now, such a mosque, so close to the NY location where our country was attacked gives me new perspective on Matthew 10:17 that says, "But beware of men; for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues." Although I do realize the references for this are Acts 5:40 that already happened and says, "..and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus and let them go." Not only do I see this happening in China and other countries that are attacking Believers, but I also know for a fact it is happening in our schools--both to teachers and students in schools, universites and the workplace..ie the hushing up of Christians and intimidating them to stop speaking the name of Jesus, be it like Chaplain Klingenschmitt who lost his job with the Navy simply for praying in the name of Jesus, as a Chaplain, at I think it was a funeral, or my own loved one who has been persecuted in university settings. It is time we wake up and speak up and pray hard and cry out to God with repentance and ask forgiveness for the sins of our nation and for our individual sins. Perhaps He will have mercy on us as He did Israel when they cried out to Him as they were being chased to the edge of the Red Sea, and when they cried out for help to God, He parted the sea for them so that they could miraculously walk across the bottom of the dry sea.

[Bongstar420]

If you really are objectivists, what do you have to fear? I say let 'em come. Allow them to attempt to establish themselves in my land. I will make fodder of their minds and they will do nothing but feed my goals. All religions are part of the same scheme. Allowing the religions to mix and mix well can only allow for proper development to occur after time takes its course. All of these people reject reason for their faiths because it feeds their egos. Push them in public where they are not surrounded by their fellow slaves and they will break in one way or another. Buawahahahah

The communist daughter is right in some respects, and the rest of you seem rather off. Do you not understand the meaning behind the novel Atlas Shrugged. This is an Atheist conspiracy that will accecpt nothing more then objective supremecy. Fortunately for me, it is in my best interest. Muahahaaahahaa! ;)
By the way, I am a liberal...Hear my heart beat and grind your teeth. Do you really want me to leave you in the streets starving to death because you are guilty idiocy? I know I don't. Besides, I still need monkies to move and wash things for me.

[Bongstar420]

Will you go out with me????JK

Might you consider a term other then Sterling to refer to your education? I consider mine to be Rhodium, and all I have is a Bachelors in Science for Integrated Horticultural Production. My Rhodium standard is of personal pursuit and development. I'm willng to bet you are near Rhodium standards. Silver is just such a low standard in the heirarchy of precious metals...
Don't give me that extremely unpartiotic bit. That allows these imbicles to confabulate the the definition of what a real American is. I am a real American, and I always was. I will conceptually eat anyone who claims otherwise.

[cyndib]

Amen

[Old Fashioned Patriot]

Well Communist's Daughter, Why don't you and the "Bong Star" emigrate to Europe, or Iran, or ANYWHERE but here! "Billions of dollars in debt", how about TRILLIONS. That you can thank the PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS including BHO for allowing the "arm twisting" to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. All in the name equality. But Barney, Chris, Maxine, and all the other mindless PROGRESSIVE SOCIALISTS said "OH! There's not a problem." BULLLLL $HIT! Look back through the past 30 years and see where the acts of terrorism have spawned from. Not from the west or any Christian nation. If the Muslim world wants terror, give it to them. In the form of a 5000 ft 300 kiloton air burst. Give an ultimatum. For every act of terror, one of their cities gets DESTROYED. Either by conventional or nuclear means. Starting with MECCA. Remember, they started this BS, but we can GD well finish it

[The Communist's Daughter]

So, Old Fashioned Patriot, just out of curiosity...were your grandparents Nazi war criminals?

Also that whole mess with mortgages in which they could not afford and all- that started in Bush's administration. They did a poll recently to find that Bush has been one of the most hated presidents of all time. You know that's for a reason right?

Sorry for assuming that you think he's fantastic- usually bible beating patriots, whose solution is to blow people into the sky, tend to think he's fantastic.

Also acts of terrorism exist everywhere- Christian or not. How about the fighting in Eastern Europe? What about the IRA in England and Ireland? Oh yeah and the weapons dealers here on our own soil. Though being the firm conservative that you are, and how picky you people tend to be about which parts of the Consitution you recognize- I suppose you support people have access to automatic weapons.

Because the British might be invading soon.

[GodIsOne.Allah]

Asalam-o-ALikum All,

Form all those who are against the construction of Mosque at Ground Zero, I would like to say them that anyone can prove this thing with evidences based on TRUTH Not based on news from media or from FBI statements that its construction will be really harmful for Americans!

Please put your points here, I will request again that your evidence must not include conspiracies/controversies presented by FBI.

Otherwise, If you cannot do this, Please give your few moments to very first verses of Holy Quran.

http://www.quranpda.com/DISPLAY_IMAGES/001AlFatiha_Arb_Eng_2.gif

Thank you and Good Bless all of us especially Muslims, Christians and Jews.

Allah Hafiz

[GodIsOne.Allah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha

[dirgnisoltani]

to communist daughter:
you are an ignorant idiot (Period)

[Amin Falaq]

My message regarding the builing of the Masjid in Manhaattan against the wishes of the protestors is invite Muslim veterans of the U.S. Military (especially those who have life-long injuries.handicaps from war for America) to come out IN THEIR MILITARY UNIORMS IF POSSIBLE in favor of the buildiing of the masjid and establish the questio of: Do Muslims fight in Amerida's Military only for the freedom and rights of white christians?

[cwilson1964@msn.com]

Anerican
I love my God freedom Nation One nation under God Pray Pray Pray stand your ground Defend our nation
wake up USA. and we are waking up, the people are comming togather .are we afread of obama? no no no
defend our faith in God in every city in this nation in every building in every connor and If God is with us who can be aginest us... If any of you People dont like America and our God Given Laws then its time to leave to another country so you can practice your hateret and when you get there and there is trouble please dont ask us for help because we dont want to help any more. my people that are fighting in wars for our freedom we Want them Home to protect our borders and our ports.. we have helped every nation, we haven given so much. and asked for nothing in return God made us a great nation and God lives in our Heart He knows his People and with his help we will prevail GOD BLESS AMERICA AND with his help all thing are possible amen amen

[wendy]

i’m a proud American. my grandparents came in the 40’s and i was born and raised in nyc. i have one child finishing her bachelors and another in the navy serving our fine country. i also have many cousins who have served in the military.

--for those who don’t like the USA – please leave./

--re: mosque near ground zero - the choice of location is disrespectful to the lives lost. the lives taken by the terrorists. /

the governor of nyc has even wanted to assist in moving their proposed mosque elsewhere – and they have refused.

[James A. Hill True American]

Wendy you are so right!

What has happened to the "American Logic" which has guided this great Country to hieghts of greatness? Now we have leaders like Obama who seek to sell out this great Country as his wife spends our monies on herself and friends to go on vacation again! Feisal Abdul Rauf is a absolute idiot and I mean that acording to the actual meaning of the word. He is also one that has an agenda, as do those who wish to destroy this great Country such as the Muslim world. What is next? Maybe we will build a monument to those Samalians who sought to recruit others for the irrational musilim agenda. Or, maybe we will have a place on planes where they can lay down their rugs to pray before they do away with the "infidels".

Americans, wake up and do it quickly. If you cannot see how all this ties together with the Obama and the "progressive" movement and the rest of those in the world who wish to destroy America, you need to connect the dots. I am sick and tired of being call racial, I am not, I am protective of this great Country, and there needs to be borders as well as common sense to stop absolute inflitration from radicals such as the muslims and the "progressive, tree hugging, there are no rights or wrong bunch". I say, let me stand in the gap, I will stand against not only this mosque, but I will stand against the other ignorant moves by our leaders which make our Country vaunerable.

James A. Hill
True American

[bellaB]

And what would Pippi Lonstocking say if the women of West would be treated as the muslim women?

"Heissula Hopsula heissan-saa!" and she would through the muslim men into a tree! (Youtube: Pippi fights)

Hey! We must NEVER ever give up our FREEDOM to LAUGH and SING and DANCE! Pippi shows us the path to true freedom!

[bellaB]

(Youtube: Pippi fight)

[Dan]

Hey People, in the end it will be God or Allah.
It has always been this way and it will always be so.
The only difference is that, next time we face off it will be permanent.

[Wildfire]

Beware folks, muslims will talk very nicely when they are minority in nation. Once they are even 20% they will make life of all other people hell and cry to the whole world that they are bieng mistreated. When they are majority they will start killingall other faiths.

[Sandanger]

To the Communist' Daughter:
It is telling that you listed primarily countries with Western societies and philosophies as your preference..."I'd much rather be English, Canadian, Australian, English, Irish, Norwegian, German, Russian, French, Scottish, Lithuanian, Japanese, or any other country or culture that isn't American." It is not difficult to move to any of these places and renounce your citizenship, since it is such a burden for you.

I do find it telling you have elected not to have any middle eastern nation, African country or horrific third world location as your preferred residence. You ought to spend some time in these areas, you may gain a greater appreciation for all things "American" and better understand the passions being expressed that you so narrowly defined as hate.

If you spent some time in a Burkah, lived in fear that your social indiscretions might be uncovered and you therefore would be stoned to death, you might realize there are worse beliefs and practices than those you disdain and wish to disown, in America.

Sandanger-a Norwegian, Welshman, Englishman and German American

[The Communist's Daughter]

Sandanger,

Of course I don't want to live in a third world country. I'm not a missionary, a journalist, or otherwise in a profession or hobbies that would have me going to any such places. I have no interest in most places below the equator. So you're right, I picked the places that are in some fashion familiar to what I know now- but aren't America.

My issues with America and it's Americans are made very clear in cwilson1964. Not what he said, but this idea. We are the most arrogant country. I'm so sick to f*ck death of hearing about God. Stfu. Because not everyone believes in God or has any faith at all. And in Christian beliefs- isn't it Christian to love and accept everyone as Jesus Christ had done? Does Jesus Christ advocate hate?

Hypocrisy. So I'd love to move far, far away from here.

Good news! I am. I've managed to find a senior position at my company's London, England branch and will be leaving this wasteland. I'm not saying other places aren't similar, as I think government is inherently flawed. But I have grown so weary of this place and you people.

[JJ]

Good luck with that "running away from hypocrisy" move, Communist's Daughter...America will probably be better off without someone of such weak character.

[joe]

I think that the mosque should be allowed to be built two blocks from ground zero....

... the day after we build a christian church two blocks from mecca.

Oh wait, there are no christian churches allowed anywhere in Saudi Arabia. No christian churches, no Budhist temples, no Hindu, no Judaism, no Taoism....

[Rev J W]

I find this proposal VERY Anti-American in all it's aspects, as a person who comes from a Military family it appalls me. It is as if our Government is allowing terrorists to add insult to injury, if they allow this spit in the face to be built upon such ground as this. My brother is currently in Afghanistan helping the Afghan peoples, he volunteered to relieve a man who had a wife and children at home and would have been kept there over his time of duty. Why even have a Government ran military and a constitution, if we allow Non-American born presidents into our Presidential seat of authority "no matter his or her color" to come in & dismantle that constitution, and send our husbands, sons and brothers over to fight the very people our constitution and Government is suppose to protect us against?

This Nation had better get on it's knees in PRAYER, because the only thing happening right now in this once great country is the ushering in of Antichrist rule and government dictatorship. Don't be surprised if one morning instead of waking up to another 9/11, you awaken to the media covering millions of disappearances and martial law! God is coming back He is at the doors, and He is a loving God but also a just God of "equality", and when he exacts His vengeance with great fury and righteous anger upon those who have come against His people? Well, let's just say I honestly don't think you will want to be hanging around to watch the fireworks. It is time we repented as a Nation and got our hearts AND lives in line with God and His Word, otherwise we will be counted among the idolaters who have so vexed us and continue to at our own Government's inability to stand up for the God that is the TRUE and ONLY God of our Nation.

[M.McAleer]

one word, Algeria

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files/portal/spotlight/country/nafr_pdf/mideast-algeria-2004.pdf

[Anonymous]

Wow so much hatred, and to think Jesus died for our sins. Forgive them father for they know not what they do. All of your comments here are frightening. I am ashamed of the human race.

[ChicagoWhiteGuy]

You people are all pathetic!!

[Heather]

Because that is THEIR COUNTRY AND THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION THERE BUT THERE IS HERE that is the BIG difference between the middle east and THE USA.

[Heather]

AND YOU SAY YOUR A MAN OF GOD IF YOU REALLY ARE THEN STOP THE HATE.

[Heather]

You sound just like the terrorist lay down your life and kill all Muslims in the name GOD is that what your saying, may GOD help your soul and show you the true way of love and peace.

[We'reAllHuman]

Thank you for being one of the only people on this sight to recognize that members of the Islamic faith are human beings too, not just walking bombs and AK-47s. I invite all of the "ready, fire, aim" Christians who buy that all of Islam is based on violence based on one out of context quote from the Qur'an to go and read the Qur'an cover to cover. You'll note that the Qur'an assumes one has already read the Christian Bible and uses man concepts from the Christian Bible. It also becomes apparent that Islam in its purest nature is a very peaceful religion. In fact, anything derived as violent from the text of the Qur'an is less graphic and thorough than the Old Testament in the Christian Bible.

[We'reAllHuman]

This is also to Jim, AuntieMadder, and Egghead. You all are so right. I also really hate those who are different from me, especially those who worship the wrong God and have different color skin. I wish we could eradicate all those who don't agree with me. Because everyone knows Muslims are clearly not people. In fact, only white Christians are people. No one but white Christians deserve rights. Christians have never started a war, have never killed a civilian, and do not discriminate against others. I applaud you for avoiding any form of hypocrisy when you say you hate a religion because they hate other religions. That makes total sense. Hating them will surely stop them from hating others.

[limey al]

in the koran it states that muslims must rule every mountain top in the world that is why these people are in america, ask a muslim and he will tell you that the world belongs to allah, and muslims have to commit to jihad until all submit.

[We'reAllHuman]

So Joe, I'm curious. Do the laws of Saudi Arabia always dictate where you stand on issues or is it just this one time? Wake up and think for yourself. Just because of their laws, you think its ok to abandon ours. If that's the extent of your defense of the 1st amendment, I'm frightened of the possibility of you possibly becoming part of our government. Our constitution has no chance with people like you

[dixienc]

Here's a thought communist's daughter. You hate it here so much and feel so ashamed to call yourself an American........MOVE! LEAVE! GTFO! No one is forcing you to stay in a country you claim to find so horrible. No one is forcing you to call yourself an American. As far as your "sterling education" goes....you got robbed. When you learn how to spell correctly and use correct punctuation then and only then can you claim to have an education. Suffice it to say you proved with every keystroke that you have NO education above maybe the fourth grade.

As far as your new boy hero being pinned for all of Bush's mistakes....here's a FACT for you with your sterling education.....Obama is nothing but Bush on steroids in a nicer suit. Every single Bush policy ignorant people like you complain about, Obama is carrying out TENFOLD and in a lot of cases expanding on. You need to remember his years in the Senate. Are you so delusional that you believe he voted NO everytime Congress put something up for vote before it went to Bush to sign?

People like you are absolutely hilarious. It's always obvious when you have NOTHING. You simply latch on to all the typical bigotted hate filled leftist talking points you can find. I think my favorite is the "bible beating, gun toting, redneck" line. This coming from such a sterling education that supports the most prolific racists and bigots in this country.

You know, everyone has the right to act stupid. You, well you have seriously abused the privelege.

[dixienc]

More liberal talking points of which you really have NO clue. Clinton started the stupidity of pushing to give mortgages to people who would otherwise not be able to afford them. Oh and one more FACT for you with your sterling education.....the economy did not start going south until the Democrats took control of the house. Again...get it through your one functioning brain cell..NOTHING has changed but the name on the mailbox at the White House.

As far as your claim that a "poll" named Bush as the most hated President of all time....PROVE IT. Post your little poll. I'd be willing to bet it came from somewhere like moveon.puke, mediamutts for dummies, or my favorite, Huffy Puffy Post.

Oh what the heck...one more FACT for you moron...people having access to automatic weapons is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. I'm sure you're thinking of something else entirely right? And by the way...I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to guarantee you don't lose the right to spew your hatred and bigottry in such an ignorant fashion. Something you would obviously NEVER do for your fellow man or woman.

But seriously....if you hate it here so much WHY are you here? Why not just pack your meager belongings and go somewhere you would find more appealing. Like one of the Muslim countries you defend so adamantly. I'm sure you'd just love to know that you are considered lower than cow dung to them being a female and all.

[dixienc]

Trust me when I say this....you will NOT be missed. Funny how all of a sudden, you with your sterling education and can't spell any better than a fourth grader, you're claiming to work for someone that has a London, England branch. All in the matter of minutes you find a job huh? Yeah right. You're so phony you make Barbie look real.

[dixienc]

LOL LOL LOL and all of you people accusing everyone else of "hate" must think that your own particular brand of hatred is all fairies and rainbows and sparkles huh. You are so quick to demand that every religion in the world be pandered to and coddled and given into EXCEPT Christianity. You demean, debase, and bash Christians with one breath and scream tolerance for others with the next. You really have no clue just how hypocritical you are do you? The ONLY religion in this country that is being denied any rights at all is Christianity. A school kid can be suspended from schools all across this country for simply wearing a cross around their neck yet Prayer rooms and foot baths are built for Muslim students. A student can NOT wear anything that says Jesus on it but every other religion is given special accomodation to wear anything they choose all under the guise of "religious beliefs". You scream and rant and rave about Christianity being so evil try this.....post ONE instance of a Christian mother strapping a bomb to her child and sending them into a crowded market place to murder as many people as possible. Or ONE instance of a Christian father running over his daughter with a car murdering her in an "honor killing" because he felt she was to Americanized.

And you have the audacity to call others hypocrites.

[Chris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0deanRGb8w&feature=player_embedded

[We'reAllHuman]

1. The video states that the Qu'ran is bad because it tells us to killed homosexuals, drinkers, gamblers, prostitutes, etc. I believe the bible also tells us to kill these people. In fact, the bible tells us to kill anyone who eats pork. The video claims that the Qu'ran, unlike the bible, was not written metaphorically and is supposed to be a serious statement, however, i fail to see what the bible asking for the murder of homosexuals could possibly be a metaphor for

2. Furthermore, the video judges the Muslim person by the Muslim religion. If we did this for Christians, even we would not look so hot for all the reasons explained in the prior. We cannot judge a people simply based on their religious text. This is the argument's main flaw. It assumes the people must be violent savages based on the passage of their text, but we know that not all muslims are terrorists. The bible and the Qu'ran share many violent attributes but these attributes are overlooked when judging the bible and used to condemn the Qu'ran.

3. The bible tells all true believers to convert all infidels to God, just as the Qu'ran does, and yet the video makes the Qu'ran seem evil for asking this of its followers. If using violent means to convert makes someone a terrorist, then I offer you historical examples of the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition to prove that Christians must also be terrorists. Even tho they took place long ago, they still hold relevance to prove that Christians are just as guilty of violent attempts at converting as Muslims.

4. The video assumes that every single Muslim interprets the Qu'ran in the exact same way. Just as different sects of Christianity interpret the Bible differently, so too do different sects of Islam interpret the Qu'ran differently. This is why so many different sects of Islam occur. One may argue that the fighting amongst the sects of Islam is proof of their violent nature, but if this is so then I'm Sure Queen Mary Turdor aka Bloody Mary would agree that Christian sects are just as guilty of this crime.

[adil]

paul it just seems that u dont understand the quran. who said that islam does not allow freedom of religion there are several places in the quran were GOd tells us a person is free to choose his religion nd wat are u talkin about alot of christians comite crimes i mean look at saudi arabia majority are muslims nd there are rarely any crimes. im jus sayin the quran promotes peace nd tolerence like the bible

[adil]

communist i feel the same way i also feel that a war is close lool

[adil]

lool are u serious i dont think they can try of doin that

[The Communist's Daughter]

You mean like the Christian mother who drowned her children because God told her? The Christian father who molested his daughters and then turned around and took the whole family to church. You mean those upstanding and fabulous people?

And all through my high school years, I was very close friends with several devout Christians who were free to wear crosses, shirts with Jesus in the name, Creation shirts, etc. Never once were they asked to take them off. Perhaps some proof of those facts? Because as it is, children are not allowed to wear things on their shirts that promote violence, drugs, alcohol & tobacco and/or sexual intent.

Yes there are those that are terrorists and they should be held accountable for their crimes. However it's is WRONG to persecute an ENTIRE religion based on the actions of a singular group of people. Included in the Muslim religion are also innocent children and women. They too should be punished based on the actions of terrorists?

And the reason everyone comes down the hardest on Christians are because the Christians are the first in line to deny the rights of everyone else. Now this isn't the whole of all Christians. But the more extremist of you are the ones holding up pictures of mutilated fetuses down the main street of my home town where small and young children are able to see. It's your right to protest, but must you subject little children to those sites? To people in general? Those signs don't convince me to go pro-life, the just prove my point of how unneccessarily radical you are.

Jesus preached love and tolerance. Turn the other cheek. That is biblical fact. Those are the teachings of Jesus Christ. Things like unconditional love. Where is any of this in your righteous anger of how Christians are treated? Jesus was betrayed and still he loved.

Now, I'm an atheist, however I was raised Catholic. I know it just as well as the rest, and I'm quite certain none of you are acting with any sort of Christian like behavior.

This is why you're a pack of hypocrites. And a pack of whiny children that havne't gotten there way.

[The Communist's Daughter]

Bongstar420

You're my favorite kind of American. I will join in the eating of anyone else who says otherwise, as well.

Though, lol, I suppose save your suggestion of calling my education Rhodium. According to the rest of these fine and rational folks- I have the grammar, punctuation, and I'm assuming, over all intelligence of a fourth grader.

My Dad was already really upset about the money dumped into, as he says, "a bullshit liberal arts degree". He's going to be really upset to find out that I'm still at a fourth grade literary level. Dun dun dun.

[The Communist's Daughter]

(I wanted to properly address all your little comments that I haven't really had the interest in looking at for the past couple of weeks. How fortunate that I've finally stumbled upon them thought.)

No, I'm going to be missed. I know that you and all of your kind really wish I'd die a fiery death, but I have a large circle of friends and family that are pretty bummed out that I"m leaving. Trust me, had we met under different circumstances and politics and religion wouldn't have come into the mix- you'd have thought I was pretty awesome. Or not. Irrelevant either way.

Also the decision to leave was a process that took a little over a year and a half. It just so happened that someone had linked this thread on my facebook, so I decided (as I am so wont to do) to contribute my thoughts. In an earlier post I mentioned a friend of mine had moved to England to look for work- well she is indeed the person I will be rooming with in this new venture. In conclusion; this has been a long time in the making.

West Chester might disagree with you, but then again I suppose they'd be biased wouldn't they? However from all accounts, I'm inclined to think they feel they're pretty sterling. Or as Bongstar420 put it "Rhodium".

Whatever the case, if I'm a phony to you. That's cool. If I'm not. Also cool. The fact of the matter is, I'm really not fussed on your opinion. I'm fussed that you're a narrowminded twat that shoves their beliefs down other people's throats, while alternately hating an entire religion based on the atrocities committed by a specific sect and not the religion itself. Think of all the awful things that have happened throughout history that were carried out in God's name. Hitler was a Christian. Mussolini also a Christian. Stalin. Lennin. What about the Christian serial killers like Jeffery Dahmer, the Christian rapists? The child molesting priests?

Oh and you wanted to know about this at some point in here, so I will just post this for you with a link.

"By April 2008, Bush's disapproval ratings were the highest ever recorded in the 70-year history of the Gallup poll for any president, with 69% of those polled disapproving of the job Bush was doing as president and 28% approving.[302] In September 2008, in polls performed by various agencies, Bush's approval rating ranged from 19%—the lowest ever[303]—to 34%.[20][304] and his disapproval rating stood at 69%.[18][19][20][21][305] Bush left the White House as one of the most unpopular American presidents, second in unpopularity only to Richard Nixon.[306][307]

In response to his poll numbers and "worst president" accusations,[308][309] Bush said, "I frankly don't give a damn about the polls.... To assume that historians can figure out the effect of the Bush administration before the Bush administration has ended is ... in my mind ... not an accurate reflection upon how history works."[310]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

It's Wikipedia. I am well aware that wikiepedia isn't a set-in-stone kind of source. However the Gallup Poll is a real thing that has been conducted on every president since it's creation. Those percentages are real. If it helps- I've even heard Glen Beck make mention of it in one of his acidic little tangents.

There you go.

Though I suppose none of this means dink since I'm...what is it now...oh right- I possess the intellect and literary technique of a fourth grader? Lmao.

[Bill]

Would someone please put this piece of P*I*G shit out of his misery?

[Bill]

Well then, leave. There are many cheap ways out there to take care of this problem.

[Bill]

Have you read ANYTHING about the imperialist nature of Islam? My guess is that you have not taken this little step. Perhaps you, and the rest of the sympathizers here take a gander at something. . .anything!

[Rob]

Give me a break. Christianity is now under attack all over the world. Your statements prove my point. I am a woman of faith and I have never implied any of your accusations. Who are these Christians you are talking about? Your discriminatory remarks about Christains shows your complete ignorance about what it means to be Christian. You are doing exactly what you say Christians do, except in reverse.

[Rob]

It is obvious that you are not of the Christan faith. I feel sorry for you. Your arguments are thoughtless,naive and beyond the pale. When I hear an American say they are ashamed of being American, I wonder if perhaps you might find living in the mid-east more to your liking. I wonder how they would treat an atheist. Your imflamatory rhetoric is hate speech and repugnant.

Antheism is its own religion. You have a set series of beliefs. You rail against Christianity and try to convert others with the supposition that your religion of non-belief is the only way.
You are convinced that every one who does not agree with you is a hate-monger. One would think that with your "sterling" education you would have learned the principle of critical thinking. Cogent arguments seem to escape you. Your spewing of anger and hatred must be eating away your soul.

[Faith]

I have a feeling that your parents wasted a lot of money on your sterling education. I found over 50 grammar, spelling and punctuation errors in your rant.

[Faith]

It was Obama on the campaign trail who accused the people of Pennsylvania as being.....bible thumping, gun toting, racist rednecks. The leaf never falls from the tree.

Obama is a one term president. I'll bet my next unemployment check on that!

[Hope]

1. That mother and father were seriously mentally ill. It has nothing to do with Christianity.
2. Your high school experience must have been dismal.
3. Who is persecuting Muslims? They have a free ride in the US.
4. For someone who claims tto be a aatheist, you sure know alot about Jesus and the bible.
5. Why do you feel the need to be so anti-Christian? What happened to you in your church?
6. I would like to talk to you when you grow up. And, you need a lot of growing up. Get out into the world. Give up your American citizenship. Go live in predominately white Christian nations. When you mature you will understand what a great country you were born in and be crying to come home.

[Not A Numpty]

Obama's not Muslim you idiot, he's a baptised Christian. I despair that the fact that his middle name is Hussein is reason enough for people to think he is.

[Not A Numpty]

Hear hear.
About the only sensible voice in this sea of unrestrained hatred.
Every religion has its monsters and you can't judge an entire faith by the minority who abuse it.

[The Communist's Daughter]

Well Faith, I have an excellent job and have the opportunity to move to a place I've always wanted to live. I'd hardly call it a waste. Also, why are you so concerned with whether or not I'm a fantastic speller or have perfect grammar? Did you really take that much time out of your day to sit down and, quite literally, count the errors in my post?

My biggest regret in this moment is not being able to articulate just how hard I'm laughing.

Amazing. It's good to know that when you don't have a proper response to a "rant", that people like you will try to hit below the belt.

However, at the end of the day, I sign on here in the morning and laugh at how riled some of you are or see how someone has taken the time to count literary errors, and then I get to move on with my day.