The Fix Was In: 911 Mega Mosque Community Board Farce, Board Votes Yes for Mega Mosque

UPDATE: Pamela Hall grabbed video -- it's not great quality but you'll get the picture:

Tonight was the community board #1 meeting on the mega mosque at Ground Zero. Between the tools on the community board and the dhimmi residents ....clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right .......there I was, stuck in the middle with Spencer. 

But those in opposition were in the majority and were having none of the nonsense being served up....cold.

From the very beginning the board was only presenting pro-mosque speakers, from elected officials to board members, but Atlas was tricky and got up there early -- after I spoke they closed the public remarks down for about an hour. How bout that? Pamela Hall will have video shortly. See Robert's meticulous reportage below.

 
Sign on the Ground Zero

Packed house

Plenty of press 
 

 Desiree Bernstein, 911 family member

Send in the clowns

 The Imam (all your grandchildren willl be Muslim) spinning taqiya. His presentation was such a farce. They actually took down the word "mosque" from the website and replaced it with "Islamic center"

Daisy ("let's turn 911 into something very very positive!") Khan 

Self-important nudniks

 
 
 Every time someone spoke against the monster mosque, this lovely black priest  blew ..............the shofar. It was fabulous.

 

Ground Zero tonight.

 Robert blogged the whole thing here.

SIOA at Manhattan Community Board meeting on the 9/11 Mosque

Tonight Community Board 1 in lower Manhattan held a hearing to discuss the proposed thirteen-story (some reports say fifteen-story) mosque to be built at Ground Zero. It was a curious exercise, since the Board has no power to vote the mosque up or down, but since it offered citizens an open forum, it became an opportunity for people to voice their opposition to the mosque project -- and mosque proponents were up to the challenge, ready with speakers, a Power Point presentation, and prepared statements from politicians, including Manhattan Borough President Scott M. Stringer and Congressman Jerrold Nadler. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the leader of the Cordoba House Mosque initiative, and his wife Daisy Khan were there, along with a large number of their supporters.

The leadership of Stop Islamization of America -- Pamela Geller and I -- was there as well. Hindu activists were there. Jewish activists were there. Christian activists were there. An ex-Muslim spoke via a cellphone held up to the microphone. It was a wonderful display of the unity among those threatened by jihad and Islamic supremacism that I've been calling for for years.

The atmosphere was rowdy, with tempers running high. The mosque proponents and the politicians were primarily responsible for this, as they immediately began to brand the opponents of the mosque initiative as racists and bigots. The local city councilwoman, whose name I believe was Chan, characterized all opposition to the mosque as hatred and bigotry, and said that to support the mosque was simply a matter of tolerance and pluralism. Mosque proponents distributed a written statement from Stringer, favoring the mosque and saying: "I for one never want to see our country or our city abandon religious tolerance as the result of an act of violence, even one as unspeakable as the 9/11 attacks."

This kind of talk angered the mosque opponents in the crowd, and there were many. There was a great deal of catcalling and booing of the multiculturalist platitudes and self-righteous moralizing, and the schoolmarmish chairperson of the Community Board repeatedly warned catcallers in the crowd that they would be held "out of order" -- but their threats were as toothless and empty as their moralizing, and the indignation of the crowd would break out repeatedly throughout the evening whenever another bemused liberal or smooth-talking Muslim would excoriate "hatred" and "bigotry" and extol "tolerance." Daisy Khan showed a brief Power Point presentation that said, among other things, that the Islamic Center would help non-Muslims to integrate.

Interesting word choice. Not help Muslims to integrate into the American secular fabric, but to help non-Muslims to integrate. Into...a Sharia state? Is that the goal?

Those who wanted to speak filled out forms giving their names and their planned topics, and were each allotted two minutes, although pro-mosque speakers were frequently given much longer. Feisal Abdul Rauf must have taken ten minutes, and Daisy Khan about that long. I put down on my form something like "Sharia law" as my topic, and turned it in. It became clear as soon as speakers started being called that the people running the show planned to call only supporters of the mosque initiative first -- apparently so that as the speakers started to make the same points that had already been made by earlier speakers, and people started to leave the hall, the side that would be given short shrift would be the mosque opponents. So imagine my surprise when, very early in the meeting, when several people had already spoken for the mosque and scolded the "bigotry" of its opponents, the Board called as just the fourth or fifth speaker...Pamela Geller.

Pamela, who is always a dynamic speaker, gave the speech of her life -- I am hoping that video will be posted soon. She explained how historically Cordoba was actually a place where Jews and Christians were oppressed, and a pogrom against the Jews saw thousands murdered in 1011, and so for the mosque organizers to dub their initiative "Cordoba House" was not quite the tolerant, multicultural signal that everyone was taking it to be. She spoke about respecting the sensitivities of the 9/11 victims, and a great deal more. Her speech seemed to rattle the Board chairperson, who apparently hadn't expected a mosque opponent -- and particularly such a passionate and eloquent one -- to speak so early in the program, and shut down the speakers in favor of a lengthy and tedious discussion of parliamentary procedure and just what could and could not be decided by the Board that night.

Afterward, when I told Pamela how surprised I was that she got to speak in the first part of the program, amidst all the mosque supporters, she said it was because she wrote as her topic "Outreach." So she was chosen as one who would speak out in favor of the mosque, and didn't deliver quite what they had expected -- although her topic certainly was "outreach," all right, as in the reaching out of Sharia and Islamic supremacism.

The meeting dragged on. After a long dry spell, the speakers were called again. Several speakers spoke powerfully about how their opposition to the mosque wasn't hatred and bigotry at all, and criticized the Board and the pols for saying otherwise. Some said they opposed it because it was an insult to the victims of that terrible day. Some said they opposed it because while they'd have no problem with a mosque anywhere else, they thought it was insensitive to put it at Ground Zero. Some quoted some of Abdul Rauf's statements blaming America for 9/11 and supporting Sharia. A few did say that a realistic appraisal of Islamic doctrine would make any non-Muslim suicidally stupid to support a mosque in his neighborhood. Some said they opposed it because the mosque leaders and Board members were not being honest -- and that was certainly true. One Board member early on said that the Islamic Center at Ground Zero would contain no mosque. But then Abdul Rauf said that it would contain a "prayer area." And then Daisy Khan, apparently forgetting the smoothly deceptive script, asked the crowd (to multitudinous catcalls), "There are 200 mosques in New York. What's the problem with another?"

The circus atmosphere continued throughout the evening. Someone distributed pretzels to the crowd. At one point a man in a clerical collar appeared and would blow loudly on a shofar whenever a speaker who opposed the mosque finished addressing the crowd. The crowd never let the befuddled liberals of the Board and the smiling deceivers from the Muslim group get away with anything. But as the meeting neared the three-hour mark and talks grew repetitive and tedious indeed, Pamela and I both left, even though I hadn't yet been called to speak. After all, the Board can't decide anything. And it is abundantly clear that whoever really holds the cards on this issue has made his decision already.

At around 10:30, according to Jamie of HRCARI, after a five and a half hour meeting, the Board voted, 29 for, 9 against, one abstention, to approve the mosque. Many Board members took the opportunity to say that they had never seen such hatred spewed at their meetings, etc. -- and they didn't mean the Sharia supremacists. Immediately after the vote the press was given a written statement from Stringer congratulating the Board for voting as they did, which indicates that he knew all along the way the vote was going to go.

But that doesn't mean that the 9/11 Mosque is a fait accompli. Oh, no. The people in that room tonight who knew that they were being lied to and sold a bill of goods are not going to take this lying down. This is why it is all the more crucial for you, if you possibly can, to attend our June 6 rally at noon at Zucotti Park in lower Manhattan. This is our last chance to make our voices heard. And we will be heard.

UPDATE: Pamela H just posted more great coverage here -- she snapped Spencer and me listening intently (above).

Comments

[a]

hey, maybe that black shofar-blowing priest could write a piece for the blog?

[Pv]

I wonder if Obama knows how to blow a horn....?....

[marc in calgary]

Gabriel?

[when*pigs*fly]

Just another example of how the world is full of despicable PC lemmings, so afraid to be called a word (racist, bigot) that they would sell their souls & their country to avoid it. They disgust me.

And again I say, Americans have bent over backwards to demonstrate their religious tolerance. It's now time to straighten up and demand the same from proponents of izlam.

[dented]

I dunno if Obama knows how to blow a horn. I've heard along the way, he certainly likes his horn to be blown!

Thanks Robert for that piece, brill.
Can't wait to hear our Pam.

[Trevor]

Actually, that is an incorrect vote tally...there were 2 votes, 1st on whether to postpose for a month or have a vote tonight, but also a 2nd close vote on the mosque proceeding.

[dented]

Obtw, I did snigger at Pam and her 'outreach' move, there's no pulling the wool over her eyes. She is one step ahead of these lemming-plebs (thank g*d).

[slice]

"self-important nudniks" is the funniest caption.

Allow me some improvised pseudoBiblical verse in honor of Geller/Spencer, going to war against the Jihad and the Nudnik Fellow Travelers:

"Yea verily for Pam has reached out and touched someone, issued words of truth, though,
lo, they skip easily from the glossed skin of the Coexisting Nudnikim determined, verily, not to shame the memories of their ancestors in the Shtetl by, Has v'Shalom, Has v'chalilah, offending the Muhammedan, lest his tender soul be offended. For, after all the Cossacks were beasts and so thus must every enlightened and beardless Son of Abraham show sensitivity to those innocent political refugees, 'who happen to be Muslims erecting religious dominatrix-themed mosques in the city of the refugees from Minsk and from Pinsk'. For otherwise They May Be Offended, and every bubeleh's grand son or daughter just might lose his head."

[Thanks God for Zionism and Obdurate Israelis, and Pam Geller and Her Friends).

Quasi-Biblical Poet in an Unreal Age.

DOWN WITH THE MOSQUE!

[canasia_us]

It's why we always end up so deep in s--t and have to dig ourselves out of it again and again.

[Fellow Infidel]

Thanks Pam, Robert, Shofar Priest (sounds like a rock band), and SIOA. Keep fighting. We must NEVER submit.

[Jew Lover]

We're people,
not sheeple!

No Mas!
No Mosque!

[Choi]

WHAT must really be getting to them tonite ,is that Pamela BRILLIANTLY OUT-TAQQYIAED the Masters of Taqqyia.

"Sharia Outreach"LOLOL

Maybe they thought Pamela was going to do "Da'Awah" "for them"?
One can only imagine what was in their minds, thinking they had the Meeting "under Control" and THERE was Pamela,of all people, STANDING UP for America and Good,and THEY CALLED ON HER.

YYYEEESSSS!!!!

GREAT VICTORY FOR PAMELA!!!

If the media that was present do not include Pamela's remarks in their reporting ,it WILL BE DISGRACEFUL and further PROOF of their CORRUPTION.

[john jay]

pamela:

it will not be built.

that mosque will never be built.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

[traeh]

Scary how many of these people don't understand that multiculturalism, while often a great thing, becomes suicidal vis-a-vis Islam. Toleration cannot be extended to an intolerant and authoritarian theocratic movement unless it has few members and is weak. But Islam is not weak. It has a huge and growing population in the world. It already rules many nations and imposes in them all significant limitations on freedom of expression and freedom of religion. Islam tends to impose a monoculture, and has the means to achieve it over time, especially if the generous impulse of multiculturalism opens wide the doors of the West to Muslim immigrants. We will lose our freedoms.

[Matt R.]

"Have some sympathy and some taste."

[Christene]

It's amazing how the last year 1/2 Americans have no say about anything in our,..(THAT"S RIGHT MO-FO PIGS) OUR COUNTRY!!,...the good thing is that once Barry is voted out of office & out of OUR AMERICA and back to his homeland we can turn it all back,..like a bad dream!!! New York is gonna cringe at the sound of the morning prayer. I bet a lot of people who voted for Barry at that meeting are feeling buyers remorse BIG TIME!!

[GK]

I think it`s too late. I dont believe there are enough conservatives in NYC who can overcome their appathy to stop this.

The MSM will ingore any protest on June 6, or at best describe the turn out as small. You will need more than 100,000 people for the turnout to be reported as anything other than "dissapointing", "small", "several thousand".

I`m not saying to give up, I`m just depressed that the average American is so apathetic as to not care enough about this to get up and protest in the streets.

If this travesty goes ahead, it will go down in history as the second most significant event after 9/11 that lead to the fall of America. The most significant
being the election of Hussein.

[Telly]

Follow the money to find the criminal conspiracy and terrorist ties.

The FBI has to do their job regardless of who is in the Whitehouse.

[A Christian]

Yay, you people lose.

[Dr. John K. Press]

Please see my video report from this 9 -11 commission meeting !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1yDyNUkiZI

THANKS!

Dr. John K. Press
www.culturism.us

[dented]

Apathy. Look what has happened to my country and the whole of Europe due to apathy and complacency. So get out there folks and strut your stuff, before it is too late. Don't follow our mistakes.....they are undoable!

One wonders who the people/companies are, which are going to be greedily lining their coffers from all stages of the building, of this islamic icon.

Tolerance and multiculturalism my ass! Being too tolerant has got us into this sorry mess of no return.

[debrobeaudean]

They think they have conquered America if they build a mosque in NYC...they actually think NYC represents America...
NY gets an outdoor superbowl same as it gets this mosque.. both signs of INSANITY in our "leaders".
We need to make sure that we defend the HEARTLAND of this great nation.. they cannot have our hearts, our souls, out heartland.
If they declare that they have shariah law in this land.. we then will defend it for OUR lifestyle... no more hypocritical laws to tie our hands..It will be then that islamists will see they might have fooled our "leaders" but they cannot have America.
I hope that the list of any politicians who have taken islamic money will be published... this is how they have managed to infiltrate and influence our nation, by compromising our leaders with their tainted money.

[charlotte]

It seems the mosque is a done deal.
However since these swine always threaten to blow everything non Muslim up.
How about we start threatening just like Muslims do? Maybe don't threaten but just do.
Why should we be passive? We should do what they did and what they do.Fight fire with fire.Let them build the mosque, we will tear it down somehow.
This is our country, our city.9/11 grounds are sacred to us, just as the Dome and the Black Stone is sacred to them.
Firstly we have to vote all these city officials OUT including Bloomberg.
Then we wait.
Let them try and build it.

[duh_swami]

A sign of comfort for all...

What a crock that is...I posted this opinion earlier on JW but I haven't changed my mind since, so I will post it again here...

Chan, characterized all opposition to the mosque as hatred and bigotry, and said that to support the mosque was simply a matter of tolerance and pluralism.

Tolerance?? I can't think of one good reason to be tolerant of Mahoundians or anything Islam...I don't see any reason to be 'tolerant' about this particular mosque or any mosque...SCREW TOLERANCE...Screw pluralism, and all this useless talk...if it takes bigotry, and hatred to drive a stake into Allah's evil heart, then I will find some...Maybe I can find a liberal apologist like Chan, that has some I can borrow...

[Wonderin1]

I hereby declare PAMELA GELLER to be a world treasure on behalf of human freedom and dignity. Let all of human history show that Ms. Geller stood up at great personal risk to herself and spoke truth in love to the face of lies and insolence. Let the example of PAMELA GELLER demonstrate to all people all over the world and for all time that one determined human being (especially a feisty New York Jewish girl) can truly make a difference for the benefit of all. So let it be written.

[JGalt]

God bless you Pam and Spencer.
nice post traeh. Islam is like HIV - it uses the body's own immune system against it. Islam uses America's tolerance and freedom of religion (sic) to destroy it from within.
This mosque at ground zero is DESECRATION! Go build your "cultural center" (read: sharia mind-control factory) somewhere else! I cannot fathom the rage I would feel if I had lost a child in 9/11 only to have this travesty occur.

[sheildwall]

Many thanks to Pamela and Robert for representing us who could not be there.

[Isabel Clark]

Keep up the fight. We in England are fighting but we have almost left it too late. It is a real kick in the teeth of those who died and their grieving families.

How come we all have to be constantly sensitive to THEIR feelings and they are allowed to ride roughshod over everybody else.

Just keep going on. You cannot give in to this.

I wish you all the luck in the world.

[Dagny Taggart]

Indeed, Matt R. Indeed.

As always, infinite appreciation to Pamela and Robert.

[Falling Rock]

"let's turn 911 into something very very positive!"

Right, and after we learn how to do that we can start turning Shit into Gold and we'll all be rich and islamic at the same time.

THERE WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING "POSITIVE" ABOUT THE 9-11 TRAGEDY. THERE IS NO UPSIDE TO TERROR. IT WILL ALWAYS BE BURNED INTO THE MEMORIES OF DEVOUT AMERICANS AS THE HATEFUL RESPONSE OF AN EVIL CULT WHO WISHES TO DESTROY US.

Treason ! Unthinkable stupidity and the start of the end of America.

[Georgejmh]

Gawd, do I agree with all of you! Does anyone think that our country authorized the construction of Shinto shrines in the USA, after December 7th, 1941? Over 2000 Americans died at Pearl Harbor and we sure as Hell, were not going to allow the constructions of shrines, for our enemies! This applies to this same situation. Is not Islam at war with Democracy? Did they not attack us and kill over 3000 of our people, in one fell swoop? If you want to build a "mosque", build it in a country where it is the norm. I currently work around the corner, from where they want to build this place. I do not want some ultra-conservative, Timothy McVeigh type, parking his van across the street from my job and blowing down the "mosque" and killing numerous friends of mine, at my job! CB 1 are idiots!

[jim]

Good job - keep it up! I think any contractor or union that accepts this job should be a prime target for a protest or boycott.

[Doda McCheesle]

Wait, it's not clear- was the priest blowing the shofar when someone spoke AGAINST the mosque in support of those who are against the mosque, or to try and drown out those who are against it?

[Maggie M. Thornton]

Linked at Maggie's Notebook
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2010/05/nyc-community-board-votes-to-build.html

God bless you Pam!

[Bill Davit]

If I had a chance to air my thoughts on the Ground Zero Mosque here is what I would have said:

Tolerance and the Ground Zero Mosque

Ladies and Gentleman my discussion point revolves around the word tolerance. It does so because the message the leaders of this project are conveying encompasses this very word along with interfaith dialogue and bridge building as key selling points. At a cursory glance I did agree with them but was wondering how visibly this message was contradicted by the actual state of affairs in the Islamic world. This prompted me to do some digging. What I found left me with the impression their message in actuality was quite disingenuous. Here is why:

1) When I read Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s book titled “What’s Right with Islam” I couldn’t help but feel this book, while well intentioned, was largely a “rah rah” for Islam. Well as it would be several weeks later I learned the Arabic title of the book was “A Call to Prayer from the Rubble of the Trade Centers: Islamic Dawa from the Heart of 9/11." Wow this project is call to Islam using 9/11 as a backdrop

2) Ironically enough his wife validated my first point by stating a focus of the project was to “integrate non Muslims” during the board meeting. Mind you it was not to integrate the minority of Muslims into American culture but integrate the majority Americans into Islam

3) As it would be there is a pattern of this type of mindless insensitivity towards non Muslims throughout history. Today two recent instances best exemplify this:

a. Over the course of the past few years I have had the privilege of attending several of inter faith dialogue sessions and the number one issue with the non Muslims afterwards has always been “they do all the telling and almost no listening. They were only interested in calling us to Islam instead of addressing the concerns of religious persecution endemic across the Islamic world”

b. Dalia Mogahed, Obama’s Muslim advisor, when asked to describe her job did not use a patriotic description along the lines of “what can we do for our country” but instead boldly said it was to tell the administration “What Muslims want”

4) Now when you take into context the aforementioned three points and cross reference it with the state of the Islamic world things really start to make sense. For if this project was truly about building bridges one would think they would be attacking the heart of the problem that exists within the Islamic world not in the heart of America. Yet they do not ignoring the following facts:

a. Year after year it is Islamic states that have uniquely comprised 60 to 80% of the world’s top 30 worst state abusers of human and religious rights

b. The Islamic world is awash with states that either categorically ban other religions or severely restrict them

c. All Islamic state prohibit missionary work for all non Muslims under pain of prison, deportation, and even sometimes death

d. Islamic states are the only nations to have to have a separate legal code for religious minorities clearly demarking them as not equal to Muslims

e. Over the past few decades the majority of Islamic states have seen their religious minorities shrink to a fraction of their size due to persecution

Well ladies and gentleman I don’t know about you but the conclusion I have reached is that this $100 million dollar project is not truly about tolerance or bridge building. If it were one would think a better target for these funds would be places such as Darfur, Somalia, Kashmir, Thailand, the Philippines, or Pakistan that have literally left millions dead due to the intolerance of their coreligionists. Or even better yet why have they not considered using the funds to battle religious persecution and radicalism endemic across the Islamic world? Sadly instead they feel the need to use the events of 9/11 as a pulpit for Dawa clearly demonstrating to all the lives or feelings of non Muslims simply do not matter when it comes to calling non believers to Islam. By now it should be plain to all that the people behind his project are incapable of and in fact unwilling to hear us and that my friends is not tolerance but intolerance at its worst. It is why this project must be met with a resounding no! Failure to do so is only a futile exercise of once again trying to tolerate the intolerant.

[STOP! Islamization Of America]

Articulate... Brave... Cool... Calm... Collected...

Pamela, you are our tip-of-the-speak to puncture the balloon of the chimera (... a fanciful mental illusion) of Islamic superiority and supremacy.

Go... go... go...

[STOP! Islamization Of America]

Correction...

Pamela, you are our "tip-of-the-spear"...

[Jorge Banner]

That's what happens when you put your enemies in charge.

Who put them there?

Who put oblabla in the Red House?

Wasn't the pisslims.

[Cate]

Great job, Pamela! And thank you Robert, for the report.

If the board and their muzzie friends think this is over and they won, they are SO wrong. Once this story truly gets legs, Americans across this country are MORE than going to rise up in anger. Attempts to put a mosque there is all about power, nothing more. It's meant to solidify the idea that Muslims and Islam are in control, we are not, and they will rub that fact in our face every chance they get. It's more than a stab in the eye, it's an attempt to put a stake through our collective heart.

So, muzzies, go ahead keep it up. You are seriously pissing off the people of this country, and you're going to get what's coming to YOU. Islam is not a religion, it's a doctrine of hate, intolerance, bigotry, and extreme violence. And THAT is what cannot be tolerated, not in this country, not anywhere.

[Jorge Banner]

Why do I see a relationship with this?:

NYC Cops Might Have To Start Shooting To Wound
<http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/05/26/nyc-cops-might-have-to-start-shooting-to-wound/>.

There's a degree of imbecility going around.

[profitsbeard]

READ THE DAMNED KORAN

stickers need to go up everywhere.

The lack of the least learning about Islam by our political/legal/religious/educational class, is the most laughably lame and studiously suicidal derelection of duty since the [circa 1930] U.S. diplomat stopped our military's deciphering of coded Japanese diplomatic messages because "...a gentleman does not read another gentleman's mail.".

Islam is not a "gentleman" but a warlord.

READ THE DAMNED KORAN

And weep.

[kath]

You know, you would think that if the Muslims really were "people of peace" and want to be good citizens of the USA like they keep saying they are, that they would have enough class and sensitivity to not build their mosque/Islamic Center at Ground Zero. They know that by doing so, it looks like they're rubbing everyone's noses in what the Muslim terrorists did on 9/11, and that it's not going to endear them to anyone or help their cause of "peace." Yet they are pushing even harder to build it there, so I wonder what their real motive is, if not to taunt us. This is yet another example of Just Because it's Legal, it Doesn't Make it Right.

[infidel at large]

"TOLERANCE IS A CRIME WHEN APPLIED TO EVIL." Mann.

And Wonderin1, as you said : "I hereby declare PAMELA GELLER to be a world treasure on behalf of human freedom and dignity."

@Wonderin1 -- your post about Pamela the Great is great !

And Robert Spencer - you are also a great warrior against evil.

Evil only prospers when good men and women do nothing.

NO MOSQUE, NO EVIL, NO JIHAD TRAINING CENTER !

[allat]

Thank you for your struggles for us, The Grassroots! Good speech!
What I'd like to know, however, is if the Residents were aware that the Board at the Table had no power land no right to be there deciding, why did n't you round them up and put them out? It's time this type of nonsense and abuse be stopped. It's time to elbow these "self-elected" people be removed. The same way as BP in the Gulf! A corp. that has taken over, and does NOT own the oil, nor the Gulf of Mesico, but does not allow reporters or clean up.
REMOVE THEM ALL!

It's time for the Grassroots to do this in Europe, in Canada, AND here!

There's an uprising of us, Natives, coming!

[Tom]

I really hope once the mosque is built it suffers the same fate that the WTC did.

Maybe then they'll understand. Maybe....

[Babs]

At one level I can hardly believe this but at another it's yet another symbol of how Islam insinuates itself into our societies and has no empathy with the sensitivities of others. Whatever next, a statue of Hitler at Auschwitz as a sop to the fact that the German people will never descend to that level again?

The notion is unconscionable and I am appalled that America is fast disappearing into the abyss of multiculturalism (by which I mean the privileging of Islam over any other faith or creed), hot on the heels of the UK.

London UK, however, managed to despatch the mega-mosque planned in honour of the Olympics. The home of the brave and the land of the free should do the same with this and quickly.

[aprilnovember811]

I hope someone sets it on fire.

[armaros]

Didn't the EDL occupy a rooftop of a building which was slated to become a mega mosque and had the plans scrapped at the end?

Counsel still needs to approve this. The more the protests from people of the different boroughs, the more likely counsel members will fear their voters.

The more we can expose the Cordoba Group Takiya, the more likely the debate will turn the tables from "racist bigots protesting the mosque of tolerance" to "questionable sources of funding behind NY Mega Mosque"

The problem is that many good people evoke the constitution and tolerance in allowing this atrocity. Once the funding sources or associations of the planners come to the surface in ways which can be linked to terrorism (and 911 the attack instead of 911 the tragedy) the more people will turn against it.

The MSM will not investigate the Mosque builders. They will investigate the protesters first, being the dhimmy nudniks they are. But as soon as information surfaces they will try to steal the story and make it their own.

This is why further investigation is warranted of who is behind this $100M project.

This building will generate little revenue if at all in its operations. So its funders must be wealthy and willing to give $$ away for the cause.
Who are these "tolerant", "modern" Muslims with $100M to throw at the wind just to promote "tolerance"? If they want to promote tolerance and coexistence why aren't they promoting themselves right now? That would build good will from the community.

They are keeping that under wraps because the funders are not tolerant. Ordinary people do not understand the process of real estate development. If these backers were the real tolerant modern Muslims, they would be all over the media promoting their moderate Islam and how they came together spending their hard earned money to promote a new Islam.
Instead they are hiding behind the charismatic couple who are tasked to bring this message to us. Hmmm.

These could be a combination of sources of funds. You need to find out whether there is any city funding/grants/loan guarantees involved (if there are they violate the separation clause). Find out if there are foreign sources as those need to file with the IRS (I was involved in real estate development in the US being a foreigner) when funding, managing or loaning on building projects.

Who is the "developer". If it is the Cordoba Group, then who is the Development Manager? The person/company managing the development process. It will more likely be a local firm or partner of the Cordoba group. How are they being paid? Again those are filed with the IRS.

Who will post the bond to the City of NY when filing for the development/building permits. The bond is $$ the City will hold from the developer should the developer fail in the process and will use to finish/ continue the project so that no gaping holes occur on the streets.

Mrs Khan and her smooth talking husband are mere spokespeople. The real McCoy is behind the curtains. Still investigate everyone involved in the planning from the original stages when the first proposal was granted.
If there are many entities pooled under the so called Cordoba initiative, all need to be looked at as some may have violated some rules and could be isolated.
Much of this is in records already at City Hall, the IRS or the State of NY.

Also look into the current building and see whether there is any contamination of soil (something buildings with industrial history usually have). That alone can delay plans by many months if not years as the developer will have to certify remediation and clean up before construction commences.

Most importantly :
FOLLOW THE MONEY it never lies. This is a shady organization, many know that and many will see that if enough light is shed upon the turned rocks.

[Pete H]

For 14 centuries, periods of conquer, slaughter and subjugation have been hallmarked by the building of a mosque in a place of Islamic victory. There are untold thousands of them representing a reflection of the evil spirit of the Qur'an. An edict to enslave the world under a banner of Islam. Dogs and cats mark their claimed territory with urine- Muslims do it with mosques. Every City official who approves the 9/11 mosque obsenity is a coward and a sell-out. Hopefully their jobs will be short lived because no decent American should have to tolerate the very thought of such an abomination. Next thing you'll see is the same vermin participating or organizing politically expedient 9/11 memorial vigils. SHAME ON EVERY ONE OF YOU.

[Josh]

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them."
-2 Timothy 3:1-5

"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."
-Proverbs 6:16-19

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10

[ZSA]

THIS BUILDING IS ON THE LIST OF BUILDINGS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR 'LANDMARK STATUS'. IF IT RECEIVES 'LANDMARK STATUS' THEY CANNOT TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING TO ERECT THE MOSQUE. WHY ISN'T ANYONE PETITIONING THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE 'LANDMARK STATUS' IN NYC?

[Yeah...]

black priest? colorblind my a*s

[Isabel Clark]

They will call you racists, bigots, intolerant, insensitive, and all manner of vile slurs and lies.

This is the Far Left's way of closing down debate. How can you argue and be seen as that?

This is what has been happening in the UK since the Leftwing Party - Labour came to power. I know lots of Americans like Tony Blair but not many do in the UK. He is the one who started all this capitulation to the demands of islamics and wrecking of our Country's borders. They are almost non existent to the rest of Europe now. However, many in Blair's and then Brown's government were former Communists and they do not seem to have lost the communists wish for no nation states.

In England you can be taken to court for a race crime if the victim is not English, even if you just had a playground spat and you just called them a nasty name. However, you try it where the victim is white and the perpetrator is black or Muslim and it will be very difficult to get the police to accept is as a race crime. Tony Blair brought in a law where race crimes attract higher penalties and this law says that a crime is considered a race crime if ANYBODY thinks it is.

What is happening in England in the name of multiculturalism is the destruction of our previously contented Country. Now communities are resentful of immigrants getting preferential treatment, which they do. Christians are being barred from wearing crucifixes in the workplace although Muslim women are allowed to wear Hijabs. There are so many different digs at the indigenous British people that more and more people are getting very angry. Maybe they should have become angry much earlier.

People who come to a Country's shores should respect the feelings of that Country and THEY are the ones who need to integrate with the host population. Most people will find friendship if they respect the feelings and way of life of the people they have come to live among.

[Abdulameer]

I think that Robert and Pamela and others should have quoted specific verses from the Koran and Muhammad in order to show the Board and the audience what the ideology of Islam is all about. That way, you could show the audience that the Moslems are the ones who are promoting hatred and violence and bigotry. I have found that specific verses from the Koran and Hadith are the most effective way to reach people with the truth about Islam. Let the horse's mouth speak for itself so that the audience will hear for themselves what will be taught and preached in this new mosque.

[Abdulameer]

Here's an idea:
Rent space in the building right across the street from the new mosque and post large signs in the windows facing the mosque. Post a verse or two from the Koran and Hadith so that people will see them.
Or, how about this: from the building across the street, project by laser the form of a cross onto the mosque.

[Telly]

Next hold up some big prints of those wannabe terrorists from the Islam Thinkers Society. If someone asks "why all the hate?" you can say ask these guys.

[armaros]

"What is happening in England in the name of multiculturalism is the destruction of our previously contented Country."

Worse. If you call an antisemite an antisemite, you get a police visit and a libel suit. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/01/seismic-shock-various-police-authorities-monitor-blogger.html

This is like the Twilight Zone. "The Cordoba Initiative" . Even the name says it all.

As if a German group based on tolerance understanding would call itself the Sudetaland Initiative.

Monty Python could have not written this better.
Liberals are humiliating America in the eyes of the world as a spineless ignorant naive and stupid people fooled by the most basic street level hustle.

Cordoba was the center of the Euro Caliphate and a place where Jews were massacred for Islam (and the Inquisition).

http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/04/the-history-of-andalusia-and-cordoba-during-the-inquisition/

http://books.google.ca/books?id=XrOT0cczclkC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=cordoba+jewish+massacre&source=bl&ots=8F3hkrAyGw&sig=jeuvZimRf02YR41IEocN22DfdQU&hl=en&ei=KdT9S9f7JIeoNr--kbMB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=cordoba%20jewish%20massacre&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain

[CAJeffO]

It just amazes me how the Muslims would even dream of such an act. To dishonor our dead, Our Hero's & the memory of a devistating tragedy. If they had any respect for "America" or "American's" they could lay claim to a level of decency & moral fiber which would example a "faith" of understanding, maturity & grace. If these muslims had understanding, maturity or grace they would not do this act. But NO!!! instead they build a mosque on the very place where a hideous crime took place. And, build a symbol of oppression to Americans. The Muslims who have done this in my observation have no sense of class, compassion or moral fiber that I which to honor.
I am therefore must stand against this islamic group becuase they have disrespected America, American's, our heritage & our society. And, I ask every one to read the information here:
http://constitutionalvoices.org/bloggers/freedomblogger2/?p=1089
Keep in mind that I update this info. It is a work in progress.

[marlene]

AWESOME! I love Pamela Geller almost as much as I love Israel. G-d bless you both.

[Laura L]

Great job Pam.

[A Christian]

I agree! And let's also tear down all the Catholic churches in England that have been built since the first IRA bombing!

[Torch Bearer]

Liberalism and multi-culturalism is yet another failed socialist experiment that is being exploited by the mullahs.

Our children have been pulled so far away from what America stands for and, as a Canadian observing the situation, we have been infected by San Francisco new age moral relativism. Such a sad replacement for the almighty God.

And I mean the Christian God, not the hellfire of his ancestors and pirate imposter.

[Irrelevant]

If these barbarians get to build their Triumph Mosque within spitting distance of Ground Zero we should fight back in a most American way.

Put in a Pork Butcher shop (think 'The Sopranos') right next door.

Perhaps a dog groomer on the other side.

Anything that could possibly offend precious Muslim sensibilities should be considered.

Now that I'm thinking about it, this would be a pretty good idea for all Mosques in the U.S.

Then listen for the outraged voices and watch for the subsequent (violent?) reaction from the adherents of the "Religion of Peace."

[Gary]

The deafening silence by those 10 million Moderate peaceful Muslims in the USA speaks volumes about how they give a tacit approval to Jihadists slaughtering innocent civilians because they don't march in mass to condemn it.
Lets be clear,CAIR is hell bent on spewing lies by asserting that we must get over this to build bridges for peace.Except the islamofacists blew-up those bridges long ago and keep doing it as the Taqqiyah scam is in full swing as CAIR hands out 'Know your Rights' booklets alerting Muslims and Arabs that they DO NOT have to aid American in exposing Terrorist cells or reveal any information they have on their Brothers fighting in Allah's cause for a caliphate to enslave the whole World.

CAIR and Nihad Awad just don't get it,19 Muslims slaughtered around 3000 civilains from over 60 Nationalities to send a Global Message to every Country that their Citizens aren't safe anywhere as we will track you down to kill you where you are. CAIR keeps infering 3000 American's were killed and that it's a Local issue,sorry Fib-brahim Hooper but the Hijackers themselves said they were working for Allah and were the true Muslims. So for you to make a racist comment about 99.94% of Muslims outside of America all being bad Muslims not knowing YOUR real version of it in the USA,it exposes you as the Islamophobe bigot imposing a false islam and Quran to tarnish the 99.94% that don't ascribe to your values and claims.
I haven't met every Muslim on Earth so I won't do as you do and Judge all of them ignorant Misunderstanders of the Arabic Haddiths when you Sir are a failed Westerner that found hate-filled people like you to feel welcomed and normal.
There are roughly 5'500'000'000 non-Muslims on Earth that SHOULD NOT be forced to live with the Psychological-Terrorism to inflict a well-founded fear that those few Jihadists can't be stopped and will one days murder us as 1.2 Billion muslims stand by parroting scripted Taqqiyah rants of Peace and Tolerance from Allah and Muhammad.

Does anyone here believe for 1 moment that if a Hijacked 747 by 19 non-Muslims was to be flown into the Mekkah's Rock during Haaj that the Imam's and CAIR would call for calm and want to build a Infidel-Cultural Centre to build Bridges of Peace.
NOT A CHANCE , 150 non-Muslims were murdered just from the Mo-Toons in Denmark which included a Nun being executed from behind by a gutless weasel male shooting her as a favour to Allah.
Enough is enough,I now protest with my wallet and refuse to support businesses owned or staffed with the Moderates whom still stay mute on Jihad and mass slaughters.
I'm funny that way,I tend to judge those that want to slit my throat or behead me on videos. If I wanted to live in a hell-hole Sharaih Law islamic nation I would have moved there,so please Mr.Hooper....set-up booths at our AirPorts to warn your fellow Muslims that the West is Islamophobic andthey should "Go back....it's a trick...."To serve Muslims" is a cookbook,go back,go back!!!!"

BTW
Allah knows where I live,so if he has a issue with me seeing his last Prophet as a murderous/misogynistic/pedophile, them he can come see me to duke it out. That's IF he is the O powerful God or just a Burt Lahr in a Lion suit trying to hide his cowardice.

[John Funfat]

New Yorkers, and those on the East Coast,

Attend the mosque protest, for many of whom are 3000 miles away, cannot make it.