Following are
excerpts
from an interview with Anjem Choudary, head of Islam4UK, which aired
on Press TV on February 3, 2010. The interview was held in English. Or watch the video
Anjem Choudary:
Our main objectives are to invite the societies in which we live to
think about Islam as an alternative way of life, to command good and
forbid evil wherever we are, and ultimately, as well, to establish the
shari'a on state level – which is the caliphate system of governance
– in order to be a beacon again in the world, an example of how people
should live their lives.
[...]
Interviewer: Let's
talk about some of the statements coming out from your Islam4UK website.
They were very incendiary, they've inflamed a big debate in the United
Kingdom. One of the photos that you released showed, for example, the
Buckingham Palace – the home of the British royal family – converted
into a mosque. Is that your aim, and how did you expect the British
public to react, by releasing photos like that?
Anjem Choudary:
One of our campaigns, in fact, was to invite Britain to adopt the
shari'a as an alternative. Part and parcel of that was to give them
an example of how Britain may look, had the shari'a been
implemented.
For example, under the shari'a, there is no monarchy system,
so Buckingham Palace certainly would not be the home for the monarch
who is in existence today, which is Queen Elizabeth II.
Rather, we can have an
alternative – not necessarily cast in stone – but one of the options,
for example, is to have a masjid – which, in the past, used
to be a hospital, a place of refuge, and had many other functions.
As well, there will be
no idolatry in Islam. Therefore, Nelson's Column would not exist, and
we propose an alternative as, perhaps, a place where people could be
called to prayer.
But all of this process
was on the one hand, to engage the British public's mind in Islam's
alternative to man-made law, and on the other hand, to engage in a
public
discussion on what is the future for mankind.
I do believe, and as
Muslims, we do believe, that there is a clash between two civilizations
today. One civilization is based upon Man – that believes that Man
is sovereign, and they believe they have the right to legislate –
and one civilization that believes that sovereignty and supremacy
belongs
to God.
[...]
The people in the past
used to worship the idols which they used to make with their hands.
Nowadays, people worship idols which are more intellectual – like
democracy, liberalism, freedom, and so on. So these need to be destroyed
as well, and replaced with worshipping and obeying Allah.
[...]
Interviewer: Two
million people turned out on the streets of the UK several years ago,
to protest British troops going to Iraq in the first place. Why not
join with them?
Anjem Choudary:
No, because I don't believe that their call was correct. They were
calling
for socialist and Communist ideas, and many people are pacifists.
We do believe, as
Muslims,
that every Muslim has a right to defend himself, his life, honor, and
property.
[...]
Interviewer: The
issues of freedom of speech are represented by many organizations around
the UK. Who do you think that you represent in the United Kingdom? Who
are you giving a voice to?
Anjem Choudary:
You know, I don't believe in the concept of freedom of expression. I
don't believe in democracy. I don't believe in secularism or liberalism.
I believe these are idols that the people are worshipping nowadays,
taking them away from worshipping our lord, Allah. I believe that
sovereignty
and supremacy belongs to God, but I will function within the realms
of their so-called "freedom," to expose their own fallacies.
[...]
Interviewer: The
media has, however, said that you are living off benefits. If that's
not correct, you can say that here.
Anjem Choudary:
No, it's irrelevant. Prime Minister Gordon Brown takes child benefit,
and he takes child tax credit. So why can't I take the same thing?
You know, the Prophet
said... In his time... In the time of the Prophet, they used to have
a tribal system, where they gave money to the Muslims. Omar Ibn
Al-Khattab
said, in fact, to the Prophet: "Oh prophet of Allah, they give
us money, but we attack their system." The Prophet said: "To
whom does the money belong? The wealth belongs to Allah. Take it, but
don't lie, and don't cheat." I don't lie, I don't cheat. If I am
given wealth, I will take it. It is allowed for me, it is halal
for me Islamically.
[...]
Let's strip away Islam
and the shari'a, and just talk about what we are calling for.
We want a system providing the basic needs for the people. Gas,
electricity,
water, etcetera, will be free-of-charge, because they are resources
and the Prophet said that we're partner in them. We want a system where
people are not exploited. Industries like pornography, alcohol,
gambling,
and usury will be completely eradicated.
We're calling for a
system
which treats human beings like human beings. I do believe that if the
people wake up from the slumber and the darkness in which they are
living,
and they see the beauty, the perfection, and the justice of Islam –
they will be drawn towards it.
But we have many
obstacles
– the physical obstacles of the regimes, and the intellectual obstacles
of the demonizing of Islam and the shari'a.