A five story monster mosque in the middle of Harrow is a fortress. Period. Stand against the invasion.Stephen Gash of SOIE (Stop the Islamisation of Europe) answers our critics here:
People, and especially Jews please read this and then come to the demonstration. Ask yourselves who is deceiving you? The most dangerous lie is a half-truth and the CST’s articles about SIOE are full of half-truths.
SIOE has never made a secret of its hardline views on Islam and Muslims. SIOE considers that the talk about “moderate”, “political”, “radical” and “extreme” Islam is long passed. SIOE blames so-called “moderate” Muslims for the problems the non-Islamic world is now facing and has been arguing for a “gloves-off” debate about the place, if any, of Islam within democracy without success. SIOE agrees with the vast majority of Muslim clerics in Islamic countries that Islam and democracy are mutually exclusive.
Our ruling politicians and violent self-styled “anti-fascist” activists have quashed all debate about Islam and we are now suffering the consequences. Our arguments may be seen on our site and we leave people to decide – after they have done the research. We say this because the Western media, certain groups and especially politicians lie about the threat of Islam or at the very least censor what is going on.
The media are obsessed with the Israel v Palestine conflict at the exclusion of all else. It was with this backdrop of censorship that SIOE sent out a genuine request for Jews to attend the demonstration against further mosque building until the preaching of jihad is stopped in existing mosques, scheduled for 13th December in front of Harrow’s Civic Centre at 14.00.
This lead to an interesting interchange between SIOE and an organisation called the CST and the sequence of events is more or less recapped below.
Please read all of the information including the links and then form your own opinion.
1. 01/10/2009 – The press release for the demonstration was sent to national and international media outlets, anti-Islamist blogs and sites for Jewish, Coptic, Hindu, Sikh and Christian communities among others.
2. 26/11/2009 A press release was sent to Jewish media outlets, anti-Islamist blogs and Jewish blogs asking for Jews to bring 1,000 Israeli flags and to defend Israel’s right to exist and to protest against the biased media coverage Israel receives, as well as to protest against jihad against Jews that is preached in mosques across the world.
3. 30/11/2009 The CST published this response to the press relase calling for Jews to attend. This was reproduced in the Jewish Chronicle.
4. SIOE sent this response to the CST
This email is copied to several Jewish outlets and individuals.
Regarding this article in the Jewish Chronicle.
For your information, I have stood several times in elections against the BNP and what they stand for.
Equating synagogues to mosques is reprehensible in my view. When terrorists leave synagogues to blow up planes and tube trains then we at SIOE might reconsider our position.
Until that happens we will continue to support Israel and the right of Jews to exist and to defend themselves.
The whole world has a problem with terrorists who bellow “Allah u akbar” when they kill, not just the West. This is a problem for Muslims to solve, which they have signally failed to do. Until they do actually solve their problems with their so-called religion, then we reserve the right to demonstrate against further mosque building in the West and the foisting of Islamic practices upon non-Muslims.
Minorities are persecuted in Islamic countries, by Muslims. No moderate Muslims come to their aid. Not far from Israel, Copts are oppressed in a near genocidal fashion, by Muslims in Egypt. No moderate Muslim speaks up for the Copts in any mosque in Egypt or England. No moderate Muslim speaks up for Copts in Europe. The only non-Coptic group who speaks up for Copts is SIOE. Not even the Chief Rabbi speaks up for Copts, to my knowledge. So to be likened to the BNP is damned well insulting.
We in SIOE oppose communism, Nazism and above all Islam, recognising them all to be different manifestations of the same thing, namely, totalitarianism. Islam is the nastiest form of totalitarianism and anybody who denies this is a fool wilfully blind to events. Durban II ring a bell anybody?
Arguably, it was Western colonisation that halted Islam and its persecution of non-Muslims. It was certainly the West that forced the Ottoman Empire to stop imposing the jizzya tax on non-Muslims. Since that colonisation ceased the persecution has resumed. This is in no way intended as a defence of imperialism, but the behaviour of Muslims towards non-Muslims before the rise of the West was reprehensible, ask the Serbs. The behaviour of Muslims towards non-Muslims is reprehensible now. Ask Copts in Egypt, Christians in Pakistan, Sudan and Indonesia, Hindus in Bangladesh and Malaysia amd Jews everywhere.
In Denmark, Muslims have created non-Muslim no-go zones and are charging them the jizzya tax in order to move and go about their business. News of this is suppressed by media outlets which is obsessed with Israeli actions against Muslims (not the reverse).
Honing down any opposition to Islam, and therefore Muslims because Islam requires its practitioners to function, to merely being the BNP, is dangerous. The BNP has gained seats in the European Parliament, not because of SIOE, but because of the real Islamophobes in the British Parliament, who kowtow down to the Muslim demands backed up by threats of violence. It has also gained these seats because ordinary people have had their legitimate concerns quelled by insults and accusations of racism, xenophobia and bigotry. In other words people are feeling “I’m damned if I do and I’m damned if I don’t, so I may as well”.
The only recourse left for opponents of Islamisation in Europe is the streets because the dialogue now called for by “moderate” Muslims has, until now, been denied non-Muslim opponents of Islam. So-called moderate Muslims will not come to the aid of Jews, homosexuals or the Kuffar, should Islam4UK get its way and Islam with its horrible sharia law becomes the ruling despotism in the UK and Europe. Where have they prevented persecution of non-Muslims in Islamic countries or the rise of such persecution?
I forgot to mention the image in the article was published without the caption.
It is here http://sioe.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/harrow-stop-mosque-buiding-demo-13th-december/
and the caption puts it in context, reproduced below.
The Prime Minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan, publicly read an Islamic poem including the lines: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…”
Why are the media so enamoured of truth-economy that borders on Kitman?
4. 03/12/2009 SIOE phoned the CST asking if were going to publish the reply and was told that the CST would definitely not be doing so. I said that the CST could write a disclaimer and that the CST did not need to alter its position regarding SIOE, but this was refused.
An hour long conversation ensued in which SIOE accused the CST of being a deceitful organisation that wilfully misled its readers. We think this accusation has some merit.
The discussion included:-
a) Moderate Muslims – the CST accused SIOE of driving Muslims to become extreme, and SIOE suggested that quashing of debate about Islam was causing people to vote for parties the media describe as far-right.
SIOE said that moderate Muslims had had plenty of time to stop jihadism in mosques and had failed to do so. For example, in the days surrounding SIOE’s 11th September Harrow demonstration three Muslims were convicted for planned terrorist attacks who had been taught jihad in Walthamstow mosque, which itself had reportedly been “radicalised” for 20 years. Under such circumstances SIOE’s protests in Harrow were justified, a fact reinforced by the arrest of Muslims in Manchester on terrorist charges.
b) SIOE pointed out that the CST had deceitfully omitted the caption to the mosque-cartoon which was lines taken from an Islamic poem quoted by Recep Erdogan, the Prime Minister of Turkey.
SIOE pointed out that moderate Muslims had voted Erdogan into power AFTER his release. The CST guy whimpered not everybody in Turkey voted for him (I guess everybody in the USA voted for Bush then everybody voted for Obama?), to which I retorted that similar Islamic governments are being voted into power where any semblance of democracy exists in Muslim countries, such as Malaysia. I explained this is why we don’t believe in moderate Muslims, for which we receive both criticism and support. Generally people support our notion when we explain why, which is exactly why the CST refuses to publish our reply and doctors conversations in the way it has.
c) SIOE complained that it was totally wrong to link SIOE with any political party as political parties are banned from its demonstrations. The subjects in SIOE’s reply were discussed and CST’s assertions thorougly rebuffed.
d) The question of racism was raised and once again SIOE correctly stated that Muslims comprise many races and kill non-Muslims of all races, especially Jews which have virtually been eradicated in countries like Afghanistan. Race is not an issue, but hatred for the Kuffar and especially Jews is.
This was along conversation that I wished I had recorded. Anyway, I managed to persuade the CST that at least it should publish the caption for the cartoon as it had been so scathing in its attack on the image and made gross extrapolations as to what would happen.
5) 04/12/2009 The CST published this response to the telephone conversation
a) Note the point about Muslims voting Erdogan into power after his release was not included
b) The reference to people spitting at veiled women is actually contemptible when one considers the rise in acid attacks on Muslim women, not only in Muslim countries, but also in Europe and the UK, as can be seen in these graphic pictures of facial disfigurement.
Let’s look at this one issue of burkhas and face veils. One argument levelled at SIOE is that we make it difficult for moderate Muslims. It is well known that women are fighting the introduction of the veil in Turkey (where it and the burkha are still banned in public) and also its imposition in Iran, among other places.
SIOE argues that the allowing of the veil and the burkha in the West makes it impossible for women to oppose them in Muslim countries. The male Muslim clerics can point to the West and say “They wear them in Kuffar countries so you can damned well wear them here”.
BAN THE BURKHA AND BAN THE VEIL!
“The nastiest bigots are those prejudiced against their own people” and this is seemingly true of the CST in our honest opinion. Why else would it publish its opinion based on deceit?
SIOE never asked the CST to change its opinion about us or to support us, only to print our reply and to let its readership decide. Fat chance from truth-manipulating self-loathing bigots.
SIOE’s actions do not garner support for the BNP it is organisations like the CST with its censorship and the UAF which brands everybody with whom it disagrees, a fascist.
When people have a free and fair choice they vote against Islamisation, as they did recently in Switzerland.