It was a little over a year ago that Atlas broke the story that Obama's certification of live birth was a "horrible forgery". I ran a 28 page forensic digital analysis meticulously prepared by a forensic digital examination specialist exposing the fraud. Obama hired five law firms to fight the release of the vault copy. It has never seen the light of day, despite numerous calls by hundreds of thousands of concerned Americans to release it.
Interestingly, in the past week, Obama's secret police have been massively scrubbing the net of any and all copies of the COLB. Even vaporizing the copies on the "wayback machine". You can see the documents he has erased here. Mighty strange. Or not.
Just last week I was reviewing them online for a piece I was researching. So this is very new.
Check out all the Atlas birth documentation coverage going back to June 10th here.
Well, today, the letter is gone -- scrub-a-dub-dub!
Why would they remove the letter? This is getting absurd.Bogus
POTUS 7/9/09
Yesterday's item, "Fight the Smears Disappears," documented the changes that have recently been made to Obama's high-profile Internet site, "Fight the Smears," and also to the Internet Archive, also known as the "WayBackMachine.com" -- Obama has removed his bogus Certification of Live Birth from the Internet -- at the same time, the Internet Archive just happened to "lose" its archived copy.
What's really ironic is that FactCheck.org is so invested in their defense of Obama's bogus bona fides, that they just can't dig themselves out of the hole they dug themselves into. FactCheck now stands alone as a defender of the indefensible.
In the last 24 hours, further evidence of an, organized, massive scrubbing of the Internet has been discovered.
Evidence of this extraordinary campaign was posted on this site on June 18th. Sometime between June 8, 2009, and June 18, 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) changed the requirements for identification that they maintained for over 100 years. All of a sudden, Hawaii will now accept Certifications of Live Birth (COLB) as proof of identification and residency, and will no longer require the certified "Certificates of Birth" -- although Hawaii says that they will still take the traditional birth certificates.
On June 7th, this website reported that the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu posted on its website
a letter on White House stationery dated January 24th (since scrubbed), in which Obama wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center -- the place of my birth -- I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters" -- even though Obama himself has previously claimed to have been born at Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, a claim backed up by his sister Maya.
Until June 7th, even United Press International (UPI) and Snopes.com contained statements that Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu. Here is a screen capture from Snopes.com that says, "Barack Hussein Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center." Today, Snopes.com claims that "Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center." Snopes claims they made the change because Wikipedia made the change.
Here is the UPI screen capture that claims Obama was born at Queens -- but now the UPI claims Kapiolani. Remember, Obama, himself, told UPI that he was born at Queens.
So, because someone at the White House sent a letter to Kapiolani, all the websites that have been covering for Obama are now scrambling to scrub content that they have claimed as accurate for the last couple of years.
Over one year ago, I wrote the following for the "Biography" page:
On the Internet, there is an organized, systematic cleansing of Obama-related content.
Every couple of days I get an email telling me this link, or that link, connects to a "Page not found -- 404 error." The extensive body of Obama web-knowledge, that has evolved over the last 20 years, is shrinking. Stuff that's considered an Obama smear or unflattering is sent to the Obama '08 cyber shredding machine. And the campaign is getting help from some really big web service providers.
A good example is Kristof's famous New York Times article, in which Kristof quotes Obama saying that the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth" and in which Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent" -- that's gone -- from The New York Times -- but it's here though.
And, the Trinity UCC website has completely changed. Now, it's all sweetness and light. Gone are all those great Rev. Wright "God damn America" videos and anti-Israeli Trumpet magazine excerpts.
There's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of Obama's 3 bogus novels -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."
Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing. Just Obama's bullsh!t story.
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
and here and here
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released
(lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15) Obama/Dunham divorce --
Released (by independent
investigators) Kindergarten records --
Records lost (this is a big one -- see
here -- read two frames) Fransiskus Assisi School School application --
Released (by independent investigators) Selective Service Registration -- Released --
Counterfeit Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Certification of Live Birth -- Released --
Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one
exists)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce --
Released (by independent investigators)
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's
terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
Here is the analysis from Atlas expert TD, an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.
Obama’s Birth Certificate – CHANGE you can believe in.
I have decided to leave out the low level technicalities and the how-to section of this report due to a lack of time and more importantly I want to get the facts out as quickly as possible. As some of you may or may not know some asshat decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me from proceeding with releasing any details of my analysis. They did succeed in delaying the report by a few days but instead of deterring me they just really pissed me off. To their credit, if I had not taken a few days off from the analysis I would have missed the most damning piece of evidence – the remnants of the previous security border. So to the demented retard who slaughtered an animal to make a point – f*ck you and thank you. And because of the amazing number of violent psychopaths who seem to be drawn to this issue, I am not going to use or supply any details that can be used to identify the owners of the COLBS used in the analysis except for those which have already been publicly disclosed. If the owners want to come forward on their own that is entirely their decision. Now let’s get to the summarized report.
In questioned document analysis there are several methods for detecting forgeries – the most basic of which is to conduct a side by side evaluation of known good samples to compare against the questioned one and to use an alternate light source to highlight the changes in the color and density of the inks and paper. In the case at hand there are no questioned physical documents to examine so I used the same basic techniques modified for the digital age for use in computer forensic analysis.
The following analysis was conducted using various Hawaiian COLBS issued over a multi-year time frame ranging from 2001 through 2008 but this report will focus only on the results from the March 2007 through June 2008 certificates for accurately comparing against the KOS image purportedly printed by the Health Department of Hawaii in June 2007. I am only interested in comparing apples to apples as they say but I will touch on some of the other years for a brief comparative and observational analysis.
Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis. Thanks to several individuals I managed to collect and review multiple images of certificates issued between 2001 through 2003 all of which bore an identical layout to the previous Decosta image which was issued during the same time frame. Several more certificate images and physical certificates were also sent to me of certificates issued between 2006 through 2008 directly by their respective owners. All of the 2006 through 2008 certificates bore an identical layout to one another. Several copies of the images were created to allow digital modifications to be made without altering the original images. MD5 and SHA1 signatures were generated for each of the images and their duplicates. The signatures of the duplicates matched against their originals and the original images were then moved to a separate protected directory on the server.
By separating the certificate issue dates into groups the pre-2006 certificates show a clearly different security border design than the more recent 2006 through 2008 design. There were no other visually detectible modifications to the layout of the certificates between all time frames aside from the additional change from the DATE ACCPETED to DATE FILED headings.
Image 1. 2001 – 2008 border patterns
All known good certificate images from all time frames examined shared an apparent identical layout and font. Each of the available un-cropped full certificate images, from all time frames, showed the security borders to be almost perfectly centered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with all deviations off center being within 15 pixels. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace.
Image 2. Measurements
The embossed seals and ink stamps in all of the pre-2006 images are clearly visible in the scans however none of the post-2006 seals or ink stamps are visible without extensive manipulation to the digital images. Even when scanning the physical post-2006 certificate in my possession using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners I was also unable to produce an image which would allow the seal to show though the image. The ink stamps on the rear side were also not visible in the front side scans without digital modifications to the scanned images. My scans of the physical certificate also produced the same results using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners.
The post-2006 COLBs were then compared against one another for a direct 1:1 comparison. Using copies of the images I digitally enhanced and modified the scans by removing only the hatch pattern background and then removing the merged information fields leaving just the raw document templates and saving them as a series of digital overlay templates. When the 2006 overlay was placed on top of the 2007 image they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size and kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2006 overlay on top of the 2008 image. Once again, they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. The 2007 overlay was then applied on top of the 2008 image. The 2007 and 2008 also matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. Having verified that all of the examined post-2006 certificates were identical in form and substance I then focused the rest of the analysis using the 2007 and 2008 COLB KOS image to pin the document into the middle of the known time frame.
Image 3. Overlays
The same measurement methodology was used against the full un-cropped KOS image and showed the security borders to be uncentered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with a deviation from the other measurements off center being the average of 75 pixels – a 60 pixel greater deviation. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace. The differences are also detectible visually without the use of digital enhancements.
Image 4. measurement comparisons
The previously created overlays were placed on top of the image. When the 2007 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from security border corner to security border corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations and they also did not share same kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2008 overlay on top of the KOS image. Once again when the 2008 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from corner to corner like the 2007 overlay again with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations on the page and they also did not share same kerning.
Image 5. with 2007 and 2008
overlays
A direct relative comparison using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the security border pattern and color. Several distinctions were noted from the 2007 / 2008 certificate security border versus the security border used in the KOS image.
Image 6. Border comparisons
Direct relative measurements using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the font size and kerning. Several letters were distinctly different in width and kerning from the 2007 / 2008 certificate font versus the font used in the KOS image such as O, H, N, R, and C.
Images 7 – 9. Animated GIFs showing kerning differences
The metadata and EXIF information was then extracted from the 2007, 2008, and the two images. The metadata extracted from the JPG files consisted of the quantization tables used for compressing the image and the EXIF data if it was present.
The 2007 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 75% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and contained no EXIF data.
The 2008 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 80% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained no EXIF data.
The un-cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 90% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:
[Software ] = Adobe
Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
[DateTime ] = 2008: 06:12 08:42:36
[ColorSpace ] = 65535
[ExifImageWidth ] = 2550
[ExifImageHeight] = 3300
Raw Image Orientation = Portrait
Photoshop Save As Quality = [8]
Photoshop Save Format = [Progressive]
The cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 50% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2427 x 2369 pixels in a landscape orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:
[Software ] = Adobe
Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
[DateTime ] = 2008: 06:12 08:42:36
[ColorSpace ] = 65535
[ExifImageWidth ] = 2427
[ExifImageHeight] = 2369
Raw Image Orientation = Landscape
The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were then analyzed by creating a heat map showing where each pixel changes as jpeg quality decreases from 100 to 0. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the red, green, and blue values exceeded 10%. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be saved with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS images showed the security border having a substantially different RGB quality value than the fonts and the seal image.
Image 10. RGB value heat maps
Image 11. Detailed images of RGB value heat maps
The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were also analyzed for jpeg compression variations by creating a heat map showing where the difference for a particular compression level is indicated. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the error level values exceeded 10% of the previously calculated compression error rates. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be compressed with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS image indicated that the security border has a different error value than the fonts and the seal image.
Image 12. Error level analysis heat maps
Image 13. Detailed images of error level analysis heat map
The image contains numerous visible artifacts located at
various points throughout the image. These artifacts are not found on any other
known good image from any examined time frame. I began creating a pixel level
map of these errors by using a copy of the full un-cropped version and simply
highlighting the areas by drawing a pixel wide line to the left and to the
right of each visible flaw. The left side of the image towards the inside edge
of the security border contained stray vertical lines that did not match up to
any of the jpeg compression artifacts so they were highlighted. The right side
of the image contained visual pixel level inconsistencies in the background
hatch pattern. The right side pattern is visually consistent with the artifacts
left after digitally erasing an area from an image and attempting to rebuild
the background.
Image 14. Some random flaws
highlighted
By connecting the
points together the original placement of what appears to be part of the
original security border becomes apparent. The placement of the lines matches
the expected location of a good security border based on the known placement
from the known good certificates. The width and spacing of the highlighted
areas also match a 1:1 scale overlay from a section of a known good security
border.
Image 15. Connected lines
A close examination
of the security border itself reveals
several repeating inconsistencies. Among them is a “weak line” which repeats once
after every second bold line and a slightly downward curving end point where a
straight line should end. This pattern continues around the entire perimeter of
the security border. Upon very close
inspection portions of the security border also repeat every 240 pixels. By
mapping this repeating pattern it becomes apparent that the pattern is laid out
as a 240 x 240 pixel square that can be accurately extrapolated to the next
position by simply counting 240 pixels. This type of tiling effect is commonly
seen when an image has been modified by filling an area using an image editing
application’s tile or pattern fill function.
Image 16. Mapped border pattern
During the course of
my analysis several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian
State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures
used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. While I was
brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did
manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers
and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices. He was
unwilling to give any specific details but did provide enough information to
work with. The COLB certificates are printed directly in the clerk’s office at
the time they are requested. The system uses a standard laser printer and the
border is printed at the same time as the text and other images on top of
preprinted security paper. He stated the border is a vector image and would
appear crisp and defined. When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he
said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. When
asked if he had seen the images on-line he
replied that he had – and that there is “no way” they had printed something
that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions.
There are two
obvious scenarios used to create the image
that can be ascertained from evidence. Either a real COLB was scanned into
Photoshop and digitally edited or a real COLB was first scanned to obtain the
graphic layout then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the
toner. After rescanning the blank page to a separate image the graphics from
the previously obtained scan could then be easily applied to the blank scan
after some editing and rebuilding. It would also explain why date stamp bleeds through
the paper and the various bits of toner located around the image as well as the
remnants of the previous location of a security border.
So as I have been saying repeatedly since I first compared the KOS images to the Decosta image using the same tests and measurements – the image is a horrible forgery.
Previously at Atlas: FORENSIC EXPERT: "the [birth] certificate is still a horrible forgery"
Mystery, Clarification and Obfuscation of Obama's Birth Certificate Forgery
Atlas Tech Expert Declares Obama Birth Certificate ...
Who died and made him the final word on Obama's ...
The "Missing" Obama Birth Certificate Seal 6/29/08
SUCH A LIAR: OBAMA'S FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE 6/26/08
RELEASE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE! 6/10/08
****Must Cite Pamela Geller and link back to Atlas ****(play nice and honest).
UPDATE: Techdude added this in the comment section:
..some folks asked for it...so here are MORE screen shots. I uploaded a few from the 2001 and 2003 COLB tests and the animated gifs showing the fun pulsating kerning differences ala LGF style.
I assume no one has been able to figure out why the "2007" KOS image manages to have the same placement as a 2003 COLB and not a 2006, 2007, or 2008 COLB yet huh? How about the remnants of the previous border location? Humm...and what about that mis-matching uncentered border with obvious 2 pixel white spaces between the top and bottom headers? Any more novel theories? Space aliens? Right wing conspiracies? Oh I know...it must have all been a "satire" of a real one.
Decosta error level
Decosta RGB Heat map
2003 RGB Heat map
2007 on KOS animated - kerning differences
Animated gif - kerning differences
2003 over 2007
2007 overlay on Decosta
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I believe that many, many people at all levels of government and the media know this man is not "legally" President. They have to much emotionally invested and their egos to defend. No one is willing to admit that they fell for the biggest con in the history of the world. There will be perp walks before this is over.
Posted by: Infidel One | Saturday, July 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Okay, one point on the wayback machine. It only maintains the HTTP. It doesn't maintain graphics. The graphics, if they disappear from the original server, also disappear from the wayback machine as the wayback machine only references the graphics. It doesn't store them. I know because I've done this with my own website and discovered that if I deleted any graphics they no longer appeared when the wayback machine went to get the original page. So this part is not a conspiracy.
Posted by: Liz Michael | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM
I cannot believe the following line about Snopes.
"Snopes claims they made the change because Wikipedia made the change."
Although I like Wikipedia, to me this means that Snopes' credibility is no better than Wikipedia's.
Posted by: B. Johnson | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 02:32 AM
Atlah, there has been a major update to the events occuring last week on Friday.
See the article, evidence and details below. It turns out that the letter from the White House to Kapioloni was a fraud, but Snopes already changed their tune to support the Kapiloni fraud. Kapiloni removed it because the letter was a hoax.
Snopes and Kapi'olani Medical caught in infinite loop
http://www.repubx.com/post/Snopes-and-Kapiolani-Medical-caught-in-infinte-loop.aspx
Posted by: Jetx | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 03:23 AM
You need a link parser : )
Snopes and Kapi'olani Medical caught in infinite loop
See turn of events here - Snopes flubs bigtime
Posted by: Jetx | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 03:24 AM
There is nothing strange regarding what Obama has been doing vis-a-vis his counterfeited birth documents here. Obama committed felony counterfeiting and felony fraud in circulating these counterfeit documents if I am not mistaken. The coward is merely attempting to destroy the evidence to minimize chances of potential indictments against him. Now of course with this he is committing obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence of criminal behavior.
I would dearly LOVE to see all this catch up with Obama. And it just MIGHT, too. Let's hope!
Posted by: pythagoras | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 01:57 PM
The rat will make make a mistake, and this will all catch up with him. If it is felony counterfeiting and/or felony fraud, he will be found out, and he will pay the price for it. This will be interesting to watch what happens!
Posted by: Cate | Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Even if Obama has scrubbed all the facts relating to his person out of the electronic machines, the evidence has already been witnessed and multitudinous copies made by many different people which are valid, he will not be able to obstruct justice by trying to destroy the evidence against him, he waited too long, the evidence is in the hands of the enquiring lawyers and no matter what he does, he still can be forced to present a valid copy of his birth certificate, which must exist. And get a private detective to find out how much money was paid to make him president of the Harvard Literary Club seeing that he had never written anything literary. There must be a way to check on who paid for his Harvard tuition [the Saudis of course] but this must be proved. He must be feeling pretty desperate as the noose begins to tighten. If several million people demand clarification, it will come to a trial --- I think success depends on the number of doubters and demanders. The problem is, we cannot get to the main stream because the media won't play this up. So many people think he's just great because of his charm, they're not informed. On July 4th I went to a big party in a beer garden sponsored by the German-American Businessmen's Club, and other German-American organizations. Nearly everyone had on black Obama t-shirts, on the back it said in big white letters "Yes we can" and on the front Obama's face. And Obama buttons were being sold, one Euro each --- I think I was the only non-Obama American there, and I kept my mouth shut. No use starting a controversy on July 4th. These people are not informed, this is the next important task. And Obama stole his motto "Yes, we can" from Sammy Davis, Jr., the title of his autobiography was "Yes, I Can".
Posted by: Sarastro | Monday, July 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM
New to the site but really appreciate the scope of reporting. A quick comment-
i am offended and perplexed as to why all the inquiry trying to verify eligibility of 'THE' office of the world cannot be substantiated. This is not a media issue to verify, this is a DNC fraud from the git-go. As a citizen and long term taxpayer there must be a way to advance this investigation for fidelity and integrity to prevail. Otherwise, you do realize if documents cannot be unsealed the facts of that reality already speak louder. We do not have a democratic republic 'of we the people'.
There is someone out there that processed his college admission, his loan application, his student status at Occidental, Harvard, etc. Furthermore, if those clerks, admin assistants, or office managers don't come forth, they are complicit to the nations biggest fraud in our 233 yr. history.
Watergate pales to the scam of this magnitude.
i am dismayed and stunned that a leader somewhere in government would not take this simple issue to task. Other concerns i rest for now and will post later.
Posted by: cf | Monday, July 13, 2009 at 08:10 PM
Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother:
We should continue to put heavy pressure on Kapiolani Hospital to tell us whether or not a Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama---or any variation of that name---was a patient at the hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, the day that Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii.
1.I say this: Let us move our focus away from Obama---the Obama camp loves it when we focus on Obama, because they know that Obama can hide behind the tight medical privacy laws---and put our focus and energy on finding out if Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was a patient at Kapiolani hospital on Aug.4, 1961, the day Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii.
2.I say the above because I believe that the Obama camp knows that Obama and Kapiolani hospital are on shaky ground when they argue that Obama has the legal right to stop the public from finding out if Stanley Ann Dunham, who died many years ago, was or was not a patient at Kapiolani hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.
3. Myself, I don't understand what legal power President Obama as a private citizen has to stop Kapiolani Hospital from officially telling the public whether or not Stanley Ann Dunham or any variation of that name was a patient at the hospital on Aug. 4, 1961.
4.Remember, we are NOT asking to see Stanley Ann Dunham's detailed hospital records.
5. Rather, we are simply asking if she was a patient on the date of Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii.
6.Finally, I wish some bright, never-give-up lawyer or lawyers would challenge Kapiolani hospital officials when the hospital officials argue that they are restrained by medical privacy laws from even admitting that Stanley Ann Dunham was or was not a patient there way back on Aug.4, 1961, nearly 50 years ago for pete's sake.
Posted by: john mirse | Monday, July 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
"Who controls the Past controls the Future.
Who controls the Present controls the Past."--George Orwell
(I just finished watching "1984" on Saturday Night Cinema-superb but chilling!)
Posted by: Inquirer | Friday, July 17, 2009 at 08:09 PM
Liz Michael, that is not the point. The text does not disappear from the wayback machine and the text is gone.
Posted by: Pamela Geller | Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 02:57 AM
Okay, I'm not saying Obama is telling the truth or not, I don't know.
But I did do a bit of checking on a few things. I must say though, if it is a lie, it's a decent job of laying down a surface.
For instance, if someone were curious and said "hey, what does kapiolani mean, anyway?"
Well, it's a reference to Kapi'olani, Queen Consort of Hawaiʻi (1834–1899) formally Esther Julia Kapiʻolani or Esther Julia Kapiʻolani Napelakapuokakaʻe, who was married to King David Kalākaua and reigned as Queen Consort of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi.
She started the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in 1890 as the Kapi'olani Maternity Home.
So a curious person may be satisfied and say to themself "okay, kapi'olani means queen so it must be also called the Queen's hospital, and thats why the discrepancy."
But, a more thorough look will reveal that the The Queen's Hospital, now called The Queen's Medical Center, was founded in 1859 by Queen Emma and King Kamehameha IV.
With a separate address.
The only other thing you could do is go to Hawai'i, and do a little checking on local slang. Perhaps you would find that queens has a different name locally, and kapi'olani is called queens in the area. Or perhaps not.
Like I said, I don't know what the truth is,and maybe I never will, but if it is a lie, it's a smooth one, because 80% of americans only look at the surface if they look at all.
Posted by: Illender | Sunday, July 26, 2009 at 04:24 PM