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jj

pamela:

brilliant.

i notice that you did it without a teleprompter. laughing

john jay

p.s. on the main page, i could not get the vlog to play past 1:54, ... , it stopped there three times. i came to the comment page, it ran the whole vlog without a hitch. just sayin'.

mflash

Great to find your site, Pamela. Likeminded people need to come together, as you say, and soon. I hope Sarah can become a strong enough leader in time; but if not her, I am convinced someone else will fill that vaccuum. You have great insights. I'll be back.

Dan G

GOOD FOR YOU, Pam.

There are more and more people who are realizing that the ONLY GENUINE person out there.

defender

Pamela,

You are right on! Sarah has a brilliant opportunity. We need to make sure she knows we a with her. We can go here to help pay-off her legal bills: http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/

geo11

Atlas, you speak for me and millions of others that support Sarah Palin without reservation or question because of her honesty. Obama's overeach will be his undoing. His economic policy is not working and making the recession worse, his foreign policy is enabling our enemies and lastly Obama has not been fully vetted to be our president. How have we come to this point? A corrupt media have enabled and foisted this imposter upon us. Sarah Palin is the antidote and I would crawl over broken glass to empower her.

Liberty 4X4

Pamela, I agree that Sarah Palin is the only viable heir apparent of the Republican leadership as far as I am concerned. Like you she is serious hot, highly articulate, and, unlike most of our male republican wimps, has major cojones. This is what the demwits fear most among others things. Also, it would be a dramatic blow to the so-called party of feminist activism, inclusiveness, and tolerance if the Republicans elected a woman president before the demwits did.

However, I am thoroughly perplexed that you are backing Sarah. Why? Aren’t you, like Ayn Rand, the atheist, whereas, Sarah is a strong Christian believer, the very antithesis of your atheistic selfishness-centered philosophy. I believe if Ayn were alive today she would abhor Sarah and most everything she stood for. So, why are you so pro-Palin? Sarah is pro-life. Ayn would be pro-choice. Sarah is anti-gay marriage. Ayn would object. Sarah is pro-prayer in schools. Ayn would vomit. Sarah is pro-Christian morality for America. Ayn would rant in horror. Sarah is the emotive folksy American common-sense type person. Ayn is the quintessential emotional less intellectual.

So tell me again why you really like Sarah Palin so much, yet, adhere to Ayn’s atheistic objectivism.

Pamela Geller

Who cares what religion she is - she does not impose her religion on me. She is a free market, small government, patriot. She loves the idea and ideals of America.

I am not Ayn Rand. I believe G-d created the universe. That's where Rand and I part company. But who cares? What's that got to do with the price of eggs in China?

I am pro-choice (first term) and I love Palin - so what?
We don't walk in lock step. Free men never do.

eavesdropper

// clap clap clap clap clap //

STANDING OVATION! Bravo!

This may be your best vlog ever.

Thanks for putting to words what we all think and thanks for being a beacon, a lighthouse, that shines bright and gives hope for America.

YOU are an original, YOU are an individualist.

IWe are so blessed to share this time with a superwoman like you.

Thanks for all you do, you are the best.

Robert Spencer

Articulate, well-argued, charming... the Palin camp should take note!

duh_swami

Ayn Rand??? Who cares...I have been looking for a Republican candidate like John Wayne who had 'true grit'...Sarah may not be John, but she too has 'true grit', not only that she's alive...John is permantly indisposed, and not at this time a viable candidate...As soon as my flaming liberal sister began to vilify Sarah, I knew Sarah was a winner...I bet she even has a birth certificate...if she runs she has my support...

Mary

BRAVO Pam!! You hit the nail on the head! Like you, the second I heard the news Palin resigned, my heart literally leaped for joy! I know why, you know why, and countless others get it! The left is once again perplexed...they don't get it, never will. Palin is our best chance and choice for America! I personally believe she is an answer to many, many prayers! BTW, thank you soooooo much for keeping us informed! Your work is greatly needed and appreciated! God Bless!

lgstarr

Loved it, Pamela! But, if not Sarah, then Mitt. I've heard John Zieglar speak twice in person in the last several months...he loves her, but he feels that she will not be our next President. I think it's in G-d's hands. She is, beyond doubt though, completely unique and the closest possible "next Ronald Reagan!"

Liberty4x4...you never know about Ayn. After all, she loved Marilyn Monroe. (I was an Objectivist in the '60's and used to house-sit for Nathaniel Branden.)

Richard

Pamela,

You really brought it home in the last two minutes of this v-log. I keep listening to you and maybe I'm coming around to appreciate Sarah. You hit the nail when you say 2012 may be too late. I'm feeling desperate about things and so many peeps think nothing is wrong and everything is right. Kool-aide. The -8% approval rating O has earned is heartening. Increasing popular opinion gathers no moss, I'm hoping his negative approval enjoys exponential growth.

I'm also very happy to see you give Allen West a shout out during your Sarah-dedicated Vlog. Maybe he could be her VP? Would that be the Atlas dream-ticket?

Liberty 4X4

Pamela

I didn’t say you were Ayn Rand and from what I have seen of you, you don’t act or look at all like her, thank God. Yet, on your website you appear to be such a fan that you could be her reincarnation.

I am glad to find that you believe in God. Are you Jewish? They don’t spell out the word G-d either. So, I am guessing.

You’re right, it has nothing to do with the price of eggs in China, but, it does have everything to do with what our founding fathers called natural law, those laws handed down by our divine creator allowing us our freedoms and inalienable rights.

I suggest you read Dr. Bernard Nathanson’s story (one of the founders of NARAL) http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html and you might change your mind about abortion. He was also one of the major founders (and coiners of the word pro-choice) of the so-called pro-choice movement.

Yes, free men don’t walk lock step. That is why they are free. Yet, they have that one thing in common that allows us our freedom, God, our creator. This is not apparent in the atheistic, scientistic, Darwinistic theories (so dear to liberal progressivism) that says we are solely a product of deterministic biology which negates any freedom of thought or action on our part.

The BoBo

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been taking some serious heat over at my blog for taking this same position. I didn't articulate my feelings on her resignation and her future in politics as well as you have - but - right on!!!

Liberty 4X4

Mary

I would have no problem believing Ayn loved the hedonistic nature of Marilyn Monroe since her own morality included having sex with Nathaniel when he was only 14 years old.

Even he left her emotionless philosphy after he became a psychologist and found emotions are a major player in our humaness.

Richard

I just read up. No! Not China, it's poughkeepsie, dammit!

It's the price of eggs in friggin' poughkeepsie. Oh, man, I tell you, idiom is such a fragile keepsake.

Seriously, I read this thread and then ordered Atlas Shrugged from Amazon. Objectivism? OK. I want to figure Ayn Rand out if her philosophy has such impact.

Pamela Geller

Marilyn Monroe: Through Your Most Grievous Fault
by Ayn Rand (July 22, 2003)

This commentary by Ayn Rand, excerpted from The Voice of Reason, was originally published two weeks after Marilyn Monroe's death on August 5, 1962.

The death of Marilyn Monroe shocked people with an impact different from their reaction to the death of any other movie star or public figure. All over the world, people felt a peculiar sense of personal involvement and of protest, like a universal cry of "Oh, no!"

They felt that her death had some special significance, almost like a warning which they could not decipher--and they felt a nameless apprehension, the sense that something terribly wrong was involved.

They were right to feel it.

Marilyn Monroe on the screen was an image of pure, innocent, childlike joy in living. She projected the sense of a person born and reared in some radiant utopia untouched by suffering, unable to conceive of ugliness or evil, facing life with the confidence, the benevolence, and the joyous self-flaunting of a child or a kitten who is happy to display its own attractiveness as the best gift it can offer the world, and who expects to be admired for it, not hurt.

In real life, Marilyn Monroe's probable suicide--or worse: a death that might have been an accident, suggesting that, to her, the difference did not matter--was a declaration that we live in a world which made it impossible for her kind of spirit, and for the things she represented, to survive.

If there ever was a victim of society, Marilyn Monroe was that victim--of a society that professes dedication to the relief of the suffering, but kills the joyous.

None of the objects of the humanitarians' tender solicitude, the juvenile delinquents, could have had so sordid and horrifying a childhood as did Marilyn Monroe.

To survive it and to preserve the kind of spirit she projected on the screen--the radiantly benevolent sense of life, which cannot be faked--was an almost inconceivable psychological achievement that required a heroism of the highest order. Whatever scars her past had left were insignificant by comparison.

She preserved her vision of life through a nightmare struggle, fighting her way to the top. What broke her was the discovery, at the top, of as sordid an evil as the one she had left behind--worse, perhaps, because incomprehensible. She had expected to reach the sunlight; she found, instead, a limitless swamp of malice.

It was a malice of a very special kind. If you want to see her groping struggle to understand it, read the magnificent article in the August 17, 1962, issue of Life magazine. It is not actually an article, it is a verbatim transcript of her own words--and the most tragically revealing document published in many years. It is a cry for help, which came too late to be answered.

"When you're famous, you kind of run into human nature in a raw kind of way," she said. "It stirs up envy, fame does. People you run into feel that, well, who is she--who does she think she is, Marilyn Monroe? They feel fame gives them some kind of privilege to walk up to you and say anything to you, you know, of any kind of nature--and it won't hurt your feelings--like it's happening to your clothing. . . . I don't understand why people aren't a little more generous with each other. I don't like to say this, but I'm afraid there is a lot of envy in this business."

"Envy" is the only name she could find for the monstrous thing she faced, but it was much worse than envy: it was the profound hatred of life, of success and of all human values, felt by a certain kind of mediocrity--the kind who feels pleasure on hearing about a stranger's misfortune. It was hatred of the good for being the good--hatred of ability, of beauty, of honesty, of earnestness, of achievement and, above all, of human joy.

Read the Life article to see how it worked and what it did to her:

An eager child, who was rebuked for her eagerness--"Sometimes the [foster] families used to worry because I used to laugh so loud and so gay; I guess they felt it was hysterical."

A spectacularly successful star, whose employers kept repeating: "Remember you're not a star," in a determined effort, apparently, not to let her discover her own importance.

A brilliantly talented actress, who was told by the alleged authorities, by Hollywood, by the press, that she could not act.

An actress, dedicated to her art with passionate earnestness--"When I was 5--I think that's when I started wanting to be an actress--I loved to play. I didn't like the world around me because it was kind of grim--but I loved to play house and it was like you could make your own boundaries"--who went through hell to make her own boundaries, to offer people the sunlit universe of her own vision--"It's almost having certain kinds of secrets for yourself that you'll let the whole world in on only for a moment, when you're acting"--but who was ridiculed for her desire to play serious parts.

A woman, the only one, who was able to project the glowingly innocent sexuality of a being from some planet uncorrupted by guilt--who found herself regarded and ballyhooed as a vulgar symbol of obscenity--and who still had the courage to declare: "We are all born sexual creatures, thank God, but it's a pity so many people despise and crush this natural gift."

A happy child who was offering her achievement to the world, with the pride of an authentic greatness and of a kitten depositing a hunting trophy at your feet--who found herself answered by concerted efforts to negate, to degrade, to ridicule, to insult, to destroy her achievement--who was unable to conceive that it was her best she was punished for, not her worst--who could only sense, in helpless terror, that she was facing some unspeakable kind of evil.

How long do you think a human being could stand it?

That hatred of values has always existed in some people, in any age or culture. But a hundred years ago, they would have been expected to hide it. Today, it is all around us; it is the style and fashion of our century.

Where would a sinking spirit find relief from it?

The evil of a cultural atmosphere is made by all those who share it. Anyone who has ever felt resentment against the good for being the good and has given voice to it, is the murderer of Marilyn Monroe.

JennyC

Pamela this is why you are the best conservative blogger in the Internet! You got me standing up and cheering and clapping. Sarah is the best person to defeat the jerk occupying the White House in 2010 and 2012.

ivybelle1

Good on you Gellar! Love the rant!
It's so nice to see some good people behind Palin. I've been disappointed in some of my favorite political people not backing this decision. Laura Ingraham doesn't seem to understand, and I don't like how she has represented what happened. But I haven't totally lost hope for her.
Ann Coulter has been great as well this week.

howardn

You are truly inspired Pamela. Truth, honesty, and clear thinking is easy when you are defending virtue, when the template is Sarah Palin. You make me very proud to be associated with your site.

RalphB

Liberty 4x4, you're off the reality road:

"I would have no problem believing Ayn loved the hedonistic nature of Marilyn Monroe since her own morality included having sex with Nathaniel when he was only 14 years old."

Perhaps you would like to source that bit of info? Branden was born in April 1930 and didn't even meet Rand until March 1950.

"The sexual affair between Ayn and Nathanial had begun early in 1955." --Barbara Branden (who was in a position to know), The Passion of Ayn Rand (1986), p. 272.

David_Francis

Sarah, I'm certain, has a brilliant strategy in mind. As long as she's allowed to be herself, I feel inspired somehow each time I hear a speech from her. What a hopeful individual! And gracious too.

The shots at & about Trig are deplorable. I want to encourage Sarah with what she already knows but I don't know how to get this message to her. This inspiration came to me in the pediatric ward of Univ. of Iowa Hosp. where I struggled to make sense of my own daughter's neuro-psych disorder. I considered the other children and Job, Psalms, Isaiah etc. and discovered "the Potter's China".

Our Lord is the Potter; we are the pots.
Fearfully and wonderfully made are we.
For only the Potter has his wishes with the Pots.
Many are made for common purposes,
Practically suited for everyday uses.
For some less practical,
Everyday chores are awkward and difficult.
Still others can't do them at all.
For what good are they suited?
They need so much care!
We may think them more cursed
But oh, don't we dare.
The lame, the blind,
The deaf, the ill and slow of mind,
All are works of the same Potter's masterful hand.
When special occasions arise,
Everyday place settings just won't do.
We would miss them completely,
Except off of the shelf and out of the hutches
Come the most wonderful works of the Potter's craft.
It's for the special moments of life they shine.
They, who won't do for everyday use,
Are the Potter's china so fine.

Sarah is a blessed woman. Blessed with wisdom and "true grit" also with Trig, a piece of the Potter's china.
Those without wisdom fail to see blessings. They wish to throw out the fine china. They want socialism so they can legalize full scale destruction of the "less practical" by the rationing of health care. So carried away by the delusion that everyone dies, economy is thus esteemed above humanity. Ultimately it is the "Image of God" (Gen. 1:26) they seek to destroy. If America doesn't wake up, these may be our last daze. Hallelujah, Sarah Palin is wise to their game. She and others are stumbling blocks to such powers of darkness and need all the courage and prayer they can get.

K

Brilliant. Palin is my choice no matter what party or no party picks her. She speaks true conservatism. This great country needs a true American Conservative "Mother" to restore it's honor and glory.

John 2000

You are aces, Pamela. Sarah is aces too. I remember coming across a blog from somewhere? a day or two ago saying you need to be shut down (legally). I thought, wow, they are taking notice of you also. Personally, I think you have the best blog going and I reference you often. I will have some support for you and Sarah soon.

I'm not big in the knowledge of Rand, so I don't know what that sidetrack is all about. But I don't care much about it either. It really is common sense that matters, and the vlog was a great pep talk. Recently, over at the little place I blog most, we have discussed C Paglia a bit. I happen to think that she is a fine writer, very intelligent, and possessing of common sense. Yet she is a D, but one who very much defends, and I believe, admires Sarah. It's not that I am R as much as I am anti-D for many years now, so I almost view the 'common sense' of Paglia as a threat. I guess I am just fishing for your take, if you have one; you know, slap me out of my confusion.

Keep up the GREAT work; I think you strike consistently at the heart of the matter.

lgstarr

K, perhaps Sarah rises above labels. John at PowerLine surprised me today with this:

"I am, to begin with, an admirer of Governor Palin--the real Sarah Palin, not the creature of myth. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of the Palin phenomenon is that the mythical version, a caricature of Palin as arch-conservative, especially on the social issues, and populist almost to the point of know-nothingism, has been embraced by many of her supporters as avidly as by her enemies.

But the caricature has little to do with Palin's actual record as a public servant. I don't doubt that she is, personally, a conservative, but her record in office has not been particularly conservative and her political career owes little or nothing to the social issues. She represents, rather, an older strand of Republicanism--the reformist, good-government variety."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/07/024014.php

Davin

Sarah Palin, John Boltan 2012! Whayathink? That would really sock it to those liberals. Salt in wounds, hah be more like a bazooka of cleansing, that could bring America off her knees and shake off the would be masters who want to change our great land into a pit of despair that from cradle to grave they rule as 'savior'.

Rodney

I am an atheist and an Ayn Rand admirer, and I support Sarah Palin.

I believe Rand would have loved Sarah, despite SP's lack of double initials such as MM or FF. That is a joke with a point. Rand responds to people on a deeper level than you might think.

En français

Give me someone anchored in moral beliefs. Otherwise it's just a kite flying away from it's earth based spool.Eratic and you don't know what they might do. Like Ozero..you don't know what he will do.
I trust people who have a moral compass. . And that is Sarah. She's god sent I don't care who likes it or not that she is Christian. God help us if not for Christians. I support Sarah and I am like Pamela, prochoice first term. (After that I believe it is murder)
The people who hate Sarah and feel uncomfortable with her feel the threat to their fragile existance and beliefs. GOOOO SARAH and Pamela you are one heck of a newswoman. You need your own newscast.

Wedding Girl

I also love Sarah Palin, She is beautiful, smart and I think very cunning. We need that especially in 2012.

pythagoras

If Ms. Palin can unseat any one or all of the lunatics now polluting Capitol Hill then God Bless her!!!!

mishgei

Speaking of scary stuff coming down the pipe, remember that Arab fest in Dearborn,Michigan? Have you guys seen this? A group of people went there to ask some questions, the muslims ganged up and confronted them, then lied to the police about them. Here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g

Warren

I keep hearing the pundits on Fox talking about how Palin's resignation was a stupid move. It seems obvious to me that the vast majority of these polititions don't stand for anything but their own greed for position and power. So the idea that someone might put the need of our nation above their own ambition is beyond their understanding. Greed is killing our country.

It was apparent to me that what ever Hillary Clinton thought would get her the most votes was what automatically came out of her mouth. What a refreshing change Sarah Palin is to that. It would take a book the size of Atlas Shruged to document all the coruption that is going in our government right now.

blues

Miss you much?Nah--MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUUUUUUUUUUCH.
Your analysis of Sarah is spot-on.If the MSM ws as unbiased as they pretend to be,everyone could see her the same way you and I do.We see her honesty,love of country and family intelligence,and values.All the MSM ses is someone who is outside their little world of elitism.That,as you said ,scares the he11 out of them,because they are afraid that they're going to be shown for the fools they are.They cannot accept that their elitist views are weightless as clouds.
We do need more Doers in gov't. not more talkers.An example of this :Sarah made a decision to leave an office she was elected to,explained her decision then went fishing.Roland Burris,who bought a temporary Senatorship,announced that he would annonce that he isn't going to run for an ofice he can't win anyway,keeping himself in the public eye for about a week, over something that no-one could care less about.This exagerrated sense of self-importance is what motivates politicians and the media-types,so they band together to stop a giant like Sarah,because she will show them just how insignificant they are.
Sorry for the rant.Love ya,Atlas.Keep up the good work.

CTYankee

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Pamela! We all know that we need to do something but we need a strong leader. I sensed that Sarah Palin was the one who could act as our leader, but we need you as our liaison to help us to organize and support her efforts. We need you to help in getting the word out. God bless you for all that you do. I pray, as we all need to, for you, and for Sarah as well. You are an amazing woman and true patriot.

That said...

Pamela - I agree whole heartedly with you and I would like to offer my opinion for why the left hates Sarah so much. The left put a lot of their eggs in the Obama basket, but they want to keep open the option of taking them out if things go south with the 1. They absolutely cannot have the first woman President be a conservative, especially if she might be a good one. They need to have the first woman President like they needed to have the first black President. It is part of their facade. They have to maintain the illusion that they stand for the poor and the oppressed as they appeal to some of the basest elements of human nature, laziness and sloth. They have to appear to be helping while extending handouts when in reality they are perpetuating generations of poor and dependent. They have to appear to be helping by extending free abortions to minorities (especially blacks) while they practice their eugenics. From before Lincoln they have sought to dominate and oppress and have never sought to lift up. History is a good example but the NEA is a great one. If it weren't for the American spirit almost exclusively promoted by the right that moderates the damage, the NEA would have totally destroyed our education system and with it our children, by now. The Democrat party is a party of elites who need people to depend on them; people they can lord over. It is a party falsely attractive on the outside and truly rotten to its core.

Indigo Red

Gov Palin's resignation was a stupid move if - IF - she was trying to move up the Republican Party ladder. But she is not doing that. To win anything, Sarah had to break free of the old boy's and girl's network and go directly to the people. Brilliant move. She changed the rules. A true Kobyashi Maru that left Dems and pundits scratching their heads.

Jerry

I can only say we have to figure out a way to defuse the news media's pit bull attacks on Palin / Then again, they may be so obscene and stupid they will defeat themselves . . .

The Stranger

The reason Washington fears her Dems, and GOP alike is because she's not a career politician. She has had a day job, she knows what it's like to live a normal life. Sarah Palin is a true "peoples candidate", and a candidate who truly represents the people can't help but upset the status quo. This is bad news for fat cat second and third generation politicians, they don't want to see things change. I say it's time to bring on the real change, Sarah Palin in 2012!

The Stranger

defender

Here she comes:

-- She wanted instead to free herself of the constraints of the governor's job so that she could again "get out there and fight," she said. --

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/07/10/palins-post-governor-game-plan-fight/

JesseBlake

Can you please stop this foolishness. What are you smoking?? I want Obama out. Palin is not the one! Did you see how Mcain's poll numbers dipped after her first interview? She became a media joke. We need a more skilled candidate. Do not sink the Republican chances with this woman. Enough!

papagiorgio200

I wanted to post this here from a friend of mine in regards to your Palin video. She asks:

How does someone that names herself after Ayn Rand support Sarah Palin? Rand was strongly anti-religion.
"I am against god because I don't want to destroy reason"

I will ask her to come and talk with this point here. I did point out that reason and faith are handmaidens (you may want listen to this as well... but faith and libertarianism [or as Larry Elder says, "Republitarianism"] are two separate discussions).

http://videorow.blogspot.com/2009/07/william-lane-craig-gives-best-current.html

John D. Infidel

I don't know Pamela. I don't like quitters.

combatjm89

Pamela:

As St. Thomas More stated shortly before Henry VIII had him imprisoned and beheaded for not taking the Oath of Supremacy - "a Statesman who does not rule by his conscience leads his country down a slippery road to chaos". We have witnessed far too many "statesmen" who either ignore this ideal, or have consciences so twisted and blackened by endless political and moral compromise that we are indeed on the precipice of chaos. A leader such as Gov. Palin would "do a country good" for sure... keep up the excellent work!

Shalom,
Glenn

pythagoras

Although I DO like Ms. Palin personally , I am not yet convinced that she will be able to pull in enough voters to secure a political victory. For one thing, she ticks off a lot of environmentally concerned people (and, by the way, I do NOT count global warming advocates in this category!). However many people on the right may feel about the 'enviros,' not all of them are wack jobs and there are too many of them by far for the right to safely leave out. Ms. Palin in my view would be smart to reconsider how she addresses legitimate environmental matters--if she were to find ways to bring 'enviro' folk into the conservative (why not?) fold she MAY be able to pull off a miracle. And God knows we need one these days.

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Ayn Rand at 100: "Yours is the Glory"

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  • Speaking to the unnamed, unchampioned, beating heart of her new land, Ayn was to say: 'Yours is the glory.'"
    A man whose ability and independence leads others to reject him, but who perseveres nevertheless to achieve his values. Man as an individual, as a creator. What's the most depraved type of human being? Not a sadist or a murderer or a sex maniac or a dictator; "The man without a purpose." Yet most people seem to go through their lives without a clearly defined purpose.


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  • Life has Loveliness to sell,
    All beautiful and splendid things,
    Blue waves whitened on a cliff,
    Soaring fires that sways and swing,
    And children's faces looking up,
    Holding wonder like a cup

    Life has Loveliness to sell,
    Music like a curve of Gold,
    Scent of pinetrees in the rain,
    Eyes that love you, arms that hold,
    And for your spirit's still delight,
    Holy stars that star the night.

    Spend all you have for loveliness,
    Buy it and never count the cost;
    For one white singing hour of Peace
    Count many a year of strife well lost
    And for a breath of ecstasy
    Give all you have been, or could be.
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