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jj

pamela:

not enough numbers. not enough. damn.

john jay
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Rodney

This is pretty impressive, considering the horrible deaths the regime can mete out for far less or nothing.

pythagoras

I think Americans generally ARE getting tired of Ogiggles-the-clown, their and our country's Usurper-in-Chief. Ogiggles is so wrapped up in his smarmy adoration of himself that he is totally clueless as to how despicable his tacit partnership with the Iranian mullahs looks and actually is. (And by the way, Ogiggles is on record as saying that he considers democracy to be "dangerous"--well no wonder he's remaining silent about Iran's pro-democracy movement!!!). America's leftwing and Islamic dominated media has also robbed Americans of their voice: what we see in the news media in no way represents Main Street America--so it may APPEAR Americans are apathetic even on this matter. But I do not believe that this is actually the case. I think Americans really DO care anout freedom for Iranian people. I care. Doesn't everyone, really?

I personally have begun to seriously doubt that Obama will make it through the end of this year with his presidency in tact--if he even makes it through the year at all. Ogiggles' silence amidst this suffering of the Iranians' undermines the image Ogiggles worked so hard to create. That's good; hopefully it will speed up his impending political demise.

And I have begun to doubt that the American public is going to forgive Obama for his unforgivable (if tacit) alliance with the Iranian mullahs coupled with all those other Third World dictators that he befriended under the guise of his campaign promise that he would "talk to everybody."

So throwing democracy under the bus wasn't such a smart thing for Ogiggles to do politically after all.

aprilnovember811

"I personally have begun to seriously doubt that Obama will make it through the end of this year with his presidency in tact--if he even makes it through the year at all."

He should not have allowed to be put here in the first place. Obama is giving tacit approval of this Hitler in Iran, by standing on the sidelines saying nothing, and Congress, the Electoral College, and the Supreme Court, gave their approval of an Indonesian citizen Imposter President running this country.

RISE_UP

Obastard does not appreciate these peoples' uprising no more than he does the tea parties. He id's with the Supreme leaders. Because he has a fear it might happen to him.
Obastard does not speak for me.

jj

pythagoras:

can you please give me a link to obama's statement that "democracy" can be "dangerous."

please.

i will spread it to every person on my mailing lists. please print the link here at pamela's blog.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

jj

pamela:

the u.s. government should be lending at the very least moral and verbal support to what the iranians are doing, even though it will mean death to some because of the encouragement. they are the true martyrs.

it is b.hussein obama's legacy of shame that he has not done more in this, and that he has given his tacit (if not outright) approval to maintaining the mullahs and clerics in power in iran. in my view, it is because he is a muslim zealot.

i do not think that the theocracy is in trouble. the revolutionary guards and the militia, the vicious basij, remains loyal and deadly, and the police steadfast for the regime. again, there simply have not been sufficient inroads into these organizations to cause their loyalty to khamenei to waiver, and these thugs sure as hell are not gonna turn on their masters just to see themselves exposed to the wrath of the people. they will remain loyal to the theocracy, because of religious zeal, financial incentive, a favored position in society, and to save their own scaggily butts from a rightfully exacted vengence.

they have not waivered, and they appear more than willing to beat, maim and kill people to maintain khamenei's rule.

so, it will be most likely some few more deaths, perhaps in the scores, and then a cessation of the hostilities as the drive for reform peters out.

does that mean that these people have died for no avail?

i think not.

they will not topple the theocracy or the mullahs. but, they may force change in who runs things, and they may force change in the composition of the supreme councils, and maybe even the dinner jacket gets his head put on the block. maybe he won't come back from his trip to russia. and, just maybe, the iranian drive for nuclear weapons, and the desire to front the international terrorist jihad may be re-examined.

who knows.

but, it is likely there will be some reform to accomodate the views of the protestors, and, as in all such matters, not a few of them will be taken into the power structure so as to "co-opt" them, to use a 60's phrase for describing what happened to our 60's radicals.

perhaps their views, those of the iranian protestors, may someday prevail.

one sobering caveat.

remember the optimism we all had that russia might be coming into the light? well, putin and the supernationalists have put the kibosh on that, haven't they, and russia slips back into the perpetual darkness of spirit it has always known. so, any reform in iran may be extremely transient, and they, e.g., the governing regime, may slip right back into the fanatical fundamentalism they have espoused for 30 years now. the ruling clique, is, after all, fundamentalist mullahs & clerics.

we will pick up no few mathematicians and engineers and such from this. but, at the cost of injecting islam into our own midst. this prospect i do not care for, though i wish the iranians all the luck in the world in their quest to rid themselves of theocracy. but, there are too few protestors, and they have not chosen to die in numbers sufficient to shake the faith of most of their fellow citizens.

remember, that to a great many iranians, khamenei speaks for g_d, and that g_d speaks through him.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa


jj

pamela:

gut wrenching to watch that poor girl die.

we always want to view things as abstractions, to apply the gloss of logic over events. we want to see things "historically."

your genius, the genius of this blog, is to remind us of the very real personal costs associated with all this "process," and that all the intellectualizing in the world cannot describe the cost suffered by this people, simply yearning to be fear.

it is sobering. it is humbling. it is gut wrenching.

but, it is truth, and this blog, and you, speak truely of such matters.

thank you, pamela, for reminding me. a person simply cannot objectify this girl's death, nor the thuggery that imposed it.

thank you, pamela, for this reminder.

i am shaken.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

jj

correction:

"simply yearning to be free."

kaps


and not a whimper from the vile weak one in the oval office.

bho is an absolute disgrace of a human being.

DJM

Please don't let them die in vain.

Any other U.S. President, and these people would have an ally. But Obama, by his inaction, is helping to destroy these people. I pray they find the strength to persevere and succeed.

CHOI

Following that Live Blog Feed is really something.
There is no way of knowing if the commentators are there or somewhere else, but watching English comments from presumably Iranians, shows there are at least SOME Normal Iranians,something I very truly Doubted over the past 30 years.
We perhaps WOULD have something to work with ,IF we would ACT as we SHOULD, and Silence IS NOT IT!
Iran is an OUTLAW ROGUE REGIME whose "Revolution" was really a Coup D'Etat and has done MORE since it's creation in 1979 to Spread EVIL ,HATRED,TERRORISM and WAR than any other Regime on the Planet, including North Korea.
NOW is the CHANCE for the World to Kick their A$$_es back to the 7th Century were they WANT to DRAG US.

pythagoras

John Jay:

I unfortunately do not remmeber the source that I read that in. I think it was in a Wall Street Journal editorial a few weeks back on Obama's policies towards the judiciary. I didn't make quite as much of it as you are now for the reason that I have known all along that Obama is anti-democracy and intends to undermine the US Constitution whatever way he can. His free personal and professional associations with the Muslim Brotherhood which has been plotting to destroy the western democracies with a charter drafted in 1982 should convince anyone of that.

The most dangerous upcoming developments: Obama amnesty for ilelgal aliens and ACORN's involvement in the upcoing census. Watch for non-whites to outnumber whites at which point Obama will attempt to declare the US Constitution void and create both a dictatorship and armies to attack US citizens. This is what he has been up to for god knows how long, I am sure of it.

jj

pythagoras:

a very large threat to our liberties is looming in congress right now, where the "hate speech" proponents want to bring that legislation to the floor.

it will be modeled after euro union and canadian models, unless i miss my bet, e.g., complainst against speakers to be brought before "commissions, much as mark steyn and ezra levant suffered recently.

the democrats will try to muzzle us with this legislation, by prohibiting any speech or writing which unfairly protrays or impugns any group, e.g., muslims.

here we chose to stand or retreat. if we retreat, we are lost.

john jay
milton freewater, oregon usa

p.s. are there any of you who do not understand the significance of all this? if we knuckle under to this, our first amendment liberties are dead, as are our other liberties. we shall pass from the status of citizens, to the status of subjects.

are you ready to fight and die to protect our liberties, as this young girl did above? think about it.

huckleberryfriend

I can only hope and pray these brave people are able to take back their own country. The fact that these are not an angry mob fueled by religious zealots, but people who are demanding a voice in running their country.

I wish there was a way to let these brave people know just how many Americans stand with them - even if Obama doesn't.

blocked

A US President who is indifferent to suffering of people who strive for democracy, is more like a subversive than a leader.

Not relevant, but that Hussein O double who is showing up on the internet bears an uncanny resemblance to the enlightened one.

http://jemblog.com/obamas-mexican-twin/

Mongol in the Mountains

obama is rooting for the thugs of his midget cousin Amaddimshit. Trying to figure out how to work that same stratagy into his Chigago gangland style political clusterphuck machine over here.
Eating popcorn and cheering them on. Oh the money he and soros could have saved if they had just used this system during the elections!

Always On Watch

All day long, I've been watching cable news, reading Twitter updates, reading anti-jihad web sites.

How can anyone watch this and not have heartbreak! All those young people!

Liam1304

Obama did not even venture a comment concerning the use of "disproportionate force". There seems to be only one country in the world that gets that criticism.

MLMOON

Pamela:

You wrote, "If this doesn't wake up the American people to what a fraud Obama is, we have no soul. Has Obama's groveling served us?"

My dear, don't you remember? Michelle Obama told us king hussein was going to fix our soul. /sarc/

Don't know about anybody else, but my heart and soul are disgusted by the great pretender's groveling before the potentates in the middle east. Apparently, he knows nothing about real American values and American history, and his brief visit to the cemetary at Normandy did nothing to educate him. He must have been thinking about the golf game he would play immediately on his return.

kaps

iranians are being slaughtered and b.o. is concerned
about whether he should order hot fudge or caramel topping for
his ice cream sundae.

watch the death of the young woman
in the video at the top of this page and then think about the U.S.'s
feckless so-called leader's deafening silence.

Cal Frez

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO "KEEP AND BEAR ARMS".

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELVES AGAINST A GOVERNMENT "OUT OF CONTROL".

GOT IT, NEW YORKERS????????

dennisw

0bama is trying to destroy Israel. Your proof is right here with Iran. He could not bring himself to give a few words of encouragement to the Iranian uprising. He wants to stay close with Muslim dictators, not with those who defy them

We all know how low and degenerate 0bama is. Millions of others know now
Oboma is at Camp David smoking some cigarettes and eating some fine food
George Bush and John McCain would have spoken up for the Iranians
Instead we have a selfish jackass in the White House

JamestheFin

So President Obama, how many tyrants and dictators do you have to bow down before before you defend democracy?

Obama is a gutless coward and traitor to Western Civilization, democracy, and freedom. Only Chamberlain ranks as the greater coward only because of the great evil that Hitler presented.

truthbetold11

This could be obama manufactured crisis when he rides in there like zorro or a poddle and delivers a muslim friendly speech about how we all need to get along. watch and remember this post

darrinh

This is what the Iranian regime will do to its own people. I shudder to think what they'll do people that are not their own.

slice

I would hardly speak in defense of Hussein Soros Obama. It's not me. I despise him.

OTOH I do not know what I would do in that office at this time. Yes, 'support' the resistance in Iran; and yet, the manner of this support is important. It is also possible that some of the intelligent or fair-minded people in this Admin, should they exist, might be actually worried about getting more protesters killed.

I too wish for BHO to be thrown from office. Most of Israel is yearning for that - at least I hope so. But I am not sure any President would have an easy time with this crisis.

sharon61

What is the significance of the green masks over the mouth?

Jane

Pam - Your coverage of the events in Iran is absolutely outstanding, and you stand far above the crowd in any media venue. Your excellent reports are what real journalists - not propaganda agents - are supposed to do. I thank you for being such a hard working, and honest journalist Pam. It's always a satisfying, and thought provoking experience to visit to your site. Years ago, I grew weary of the mindless pulp that exists in other venues. Thanks to your tireless efforts, I have no need to go elsewhere for the news - I can get it all here - with up to the minute - raw and honest reporting. There should be Pulitizer prizes for blogs such as yours. I'd nominate you, and Atlas Shrugs in a heart beat. Thank you a million times over - for everything you do for the anti-Jihad movement, and citizens around the world who seek freedom and democracy. Without question - you rule the blogsphere!!! In every respect, you are a gift from G-d.

Mystical Time Traveler

Pam-The girl killed in the video's name was Neda, it means voice. She was 16 years old, and not even a protester. She was just observing the demonstration when she was killed.

It is rumored that Iranians won't fire on their countrymen so the Mullahs brought in thugs from Hamas and Hezbollah.

Warren

Just think of what the benefit would be if this regeime was to fall. Perhaps the threat of a necluer armed Iran and the threat of Isriel being wiped off the map would just go away. Right now Iran is probably the only place on earth where people like Osama Bin Ladin can hide without fear of being captured or killed. I believe the war on terror can not be won without bringin down this regeime. That should be the desired result. Unfortunately this all comes at a time when we are stuck with a salesman rather than a leader.

Acording to Ayn Rand we have the right to use violence against those who iniate the use of violence against us. One weapon to use against those motorcycle thugs would be a half inch galvanized pipe poked into the spokes of the front wheel.

RISE_UP

Just think Iran would be dried up by now if they had put the sanctions in place back then. No sale of oil, no mullahs.
PS Warran good move on the motorcycle thugs. Another would be two men with a wire across the street from each other.

Ironwolf32

Barack Obama is an abject failure as President. He is the worst to ever sit in the White House.

He has a golden opportunity to sweep away the Mullahs without committing troops and he says/does nothing for fear of... starting over negotiations with different people? Truly and utterly pathetic.

Spirit Of 1683

PS Warran good move on the motorcycle thugs. Another would be two men with a wire across the street from each other.
Alternatively, its a pity the demonstrators couldn't have comandeered a large vehicle like a bus or lorry and driven it straight at these Basij motorcyclists.

Sarastro

Omar, here is some information for you about an organization called "The Apostates of Islam":
"We are ex-Muslims. Some of us were born and raised in Islam and some of us converted to Islam at some moment in our lives. We were taught never to question the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would forgive all sins but the sin of disbelief [Koran 4:48 and 4:116]. But we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is the hallucination of a sick mind and nothing but lies and deceit.
Some of us have enbraced other religions but most of us have simply left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do is to treat others the way we expect to be treated. This is the essence of all goodness. All good religious teachings stem from this eternal principle [but not Islam]. The Golden Rule is all that humanity needs.
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of G-d is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of G-d must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Mohammed's life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved their women and children. He raped the women he captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers it's okay to have sex with their captives. He assassinated those who criticized him and executed those he wished when he came to power. He became the de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammed was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammed was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin [or Obama]. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people [as does Obama] but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. His ambitions were big and he honestly believed he was entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds were justified.
Why the Koran is not from G-d:
A cursory look at the Koran reveals that this book is full of errors. It is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dared to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence, truth is the first casuality.
Islam is the stupidist doctrine, the most backward and absurd belief. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism but no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do. The Apostates of Islam

Warren

Sorry Omar, but I feel that I learned everything I need to know about islam on Setptember 11, 2001. But I went to learn much more since then, and the more I learn about islam the less I like it. If religions are to be judged by the behavior of the people who practice them, then you guys are rock bottom. Real men don't try to make themselves look important by putting down women. You guys are not so brave or so tough when you meet up with the US Marines.

Sarastro

If one looks at "Apostates" in the internet, one finds hundreds and hundreds of testimonies from people from all nations, so many there wasn't room for them all. I wonder why this group isn't utilized and animated by those wanting to discourage the spread of Islam?

Robert

If I were U.S. President, I would be shipping guns to the average Iranian protestors every way possible, whether across the Iraq-Iran border, the Afghanistan-Iran border, air-dropping them into Iran, or what have you. I would also be giving unqualified verbal and moral support to the Iranian protestors in their quest for liberation from their theocratic oppressors. This is such a golden opportunity to take down an evil criminal regime which is the cause of most of the strife in the Middle East, all without having to fire a shot ourselves or send any of our troops into battle. If the protestors can't bring about the fall of the Islamic regime, then it becomes very likely we are going to have to go to war with it in the next few years. Leftists like Obama care about being popular and power above all else. They dream of being remembered as great men by historians. He was presented with a golden opportunity here to make an extremely positive mark in world history by playing a part in bringing down a purely evil regime. He blew it. Instead if he is remembered at all, his legacy will be as a villain who collaborated to perpetuate an evil regime that has menaced the world for over 30 years, and in all likelihood made a major war necessary.

While the Iranians may have to wait until 2013 before there is once again a U.S. government who will give them sincere moral support in pursuing liberty, there should be a way of letting them know that the American people overwhelmingly support their pursuit of liberty. By the way, has anyone heard of any U.S. governors or 2012 Presidential hopefuls giving unqualified moral support to the Iranian protestors against the Islamic theocracy? I bet that's something the mainstream media would choose not to report.

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