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Ironeagle

Well, it's par for the course for the lefty media. I wonder how they would be reacting if the Jihadi retards were firing rockets at their preci9us news buildings. They would be screaming for retribution but, if it's Israel protecting itself, well we can't tolerate that. "Those poor refugees need food." Tell them to ask their wonderful cowardly men to supply it!
Note to the Israelis: Kick their *ss*s!

seeteufel

I am all for proportionality. When the Muslim armies attacked in 1948, 1% of all Jews in Israel died in the battles. Now that the entire world of Islam is fighting Israel, she should remember the mercy shown by Islam and not kill any more than 1%.
With 1,000 already dead, there are only about 99 million left before it get disproportionate.

Thomas Carney

The US and Israel need a NEW Rule of Engagement:

ANY TIME A BUILDING THAT IS PROHIBITED BY ANY WAR CONVENTION IS USED TO FIRE UPON US OR ISRAELI TROOPS, IT IS NO LONGER A BUILDING PROHIBITED BY WAR CONVENTIONS AND THAT BUILDING AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A TARGET.

My uncle was shot by a Nazi sniper in a church steeple in the Battle of the Bulge, which was a violation of the Geneva Convention. After my uncle and a couple others went down because of sniper, my uncle's commanding officer ordered the church to be levelled to the ground with the sniper in it.

Gharkad

Thomas,

Just for you we'll put it in. Oh, wait. It's already there:

Fourth Geneva Convention 1949, Article 28 "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."
Protocol 1 (1977) Art 51. - Protection of the civilian population
"7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.", and,
Protocol 1 (1977) Art 52. General Protection of civilian objects
"1. Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of reprisals. Civilian objects are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 2.
2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage."
Note that neither Israel nor the USA have signed, ratified, nor agreed to accession on this protocol, possibly due to disagreeing with the relaxation of rules regarding differentiation of combatants and non-combatants.

So there you have it. At the time, in 1944, the use of places of worship for military purposes was not against any Geneva Convention though, and his commanding officer at the time was in his rights to level the church had there not been a sniper there. But is perhaps a testament to the US military forces that they didn't wantonly destroy such buildings.

The whole set of rules pertaining to protection of non-combatants and places attempts to minimise the deaths, injury and damage to them. These rules explicitly recognise that if they were to provide an absolute protection against attack, then they will be used to shield one side's forces from military operations of the other, and so these rules dissolve this protection if one side attempt to use them as a shield. By making a protected place or person military useless as a shield, they hope to prevent their use as such.

If a school is being used to fire rockets from, its normally protected status evaporates while it is being used as such. If a UN compound is being used to shield enemy mortar teams firing against Israelis, then it loses its protected status too. If a Hamas military leader asks his family to act as human shields, Israel is still free to target him - but not to target his family as the specific target, although they may be caught in the destruction of the leader. Despite what some people believe, these are the rules of war.

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