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Moshiak

But Mrs. Gellar, you don't really practice Judaism. You practice secular Zionism. You worship not Hashem, but the Jewish nation. And yet you hide behind the good name of the true Jews, and associate with these good people, as if they would agree with your Zionist rantings, and your profanity, and your empty materialism.

Though your woes are mine, your double-standard isn't.

Miluimnik

"They murdered the Jews for being Jews. Period. It is not complicated. It's war. It's not "terrorism" or "extremism", it is Islam. "

True true true.

As for you "M"......Piss-off!

C Max

I learned from Deepak Chopra on CNN that GEORGE BUSH is responsible for the Mumbai attacks. And all along I thought it was Muslims.

Moshiak: is it "Zionist rantings, profanity and empty materialism" that makes Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Chinese and Russians the constant targets of angry Muslims? Sorry, but when A, B, C, D, E and F manage to get along with each other; while G has a problem with all of them, logic tells me that G is the source of the problem. Seems to me, Muslims are the empty materialists for whom possessing and controlling the whole world (all in the name of Allah, of course) is the end in itself.

And as for "worshipping the Hashem," isn't that what millions of Jews did during World War II while their brothers and sisters were being fed into the ovens? How many more Jews would have been killed were it not for Zionists?

Richard_L_B

Concerning the abover comments:
1) That Pamela doesn't practice Judaism, I wouldn't have gleened that necessarily from her blogging. She uses the "G-D" nomenclature. I may let myself get confused by her having an Atheist Web Magazine advertise once, but capitalism may trump.
2) Zionism is not inimical with being a practicing, in whatever degree, Jew. Zionism is to us Jews (and should be to the rest of the world's perception)what, say, Irish Nationalism was to the Catholic inhabitants of what was was then called Erie. Nationalism, the idea that people of a similar feather should have their own land, became widespread in Europe in the last 19th century. Luckily for Jews, we had a built in nationalism before that trend.
3) Concerning "And as for 'worshipping the Hashem,' isn't that what millions of Jews did during World War II while their brothers and sisters were being fed into the ovens?": too complicated to discuss theology, the efficacy of prayer, the religious nature of people here. There have been many speculations about why it seems that direct holocaust victims appeared weak and willing. Keep in mind that the Nazis were good at trickery and getting non-Jews to comply.

kobi

read "they fought back" about the warsaw ghetto uprising. there was also uprising at treblinka where jews burned the place down.

there were many forms of resistance during the shoah. some were military and some were spiritual.

the idea of jews going like sheep to the slaughter (psalms) is a challenging one. there were many jews who died with prayers on their lips; and, the many instances of rebellion and resistance are not well known.

pamela geller is not a secular zionist; au contraire, she is a deeply believing jew.

re zionists preparing the land and not religious jews: this is also untrue. before the secular zionists came the religious jews had already begun in earnest resettling and developing the land.

if these religious jews had not done what they did the seculars could never have done anything. rav kook zt'l was a famous figure who worked for better relations between secular and religious.

sadly, the seculars treated the religious very badly, e.g., ben-gurion's treatment of the yemenites.

however, our main purpose is ahavas yisroel, which is love of one's fellow jew and lev. 19:18, being a good person to everyone.

problem is: too many seculars don't have proper torah understanding or moderately religiuos have improper torah understanding so they mistakenly believe one can assuage ones enemies; however, appeasement = death.

HEADLINE I'D LIKE TO SEE:

IDF PLANES BOMB BASES OF MUMBAI MURDERERS

that's some 'change i can believe in'.

C Max

Certainly, there's nothing wrong with faith and prayer; but Zionism also implies a willingness to stand up for Jews who are being oppressed anywhere -- not merely existing in the diaspora content in the belief that Judaism survives everywhere so long as it's being practiced somewhere.

Edward Brent

---Moshiak: is it "Zionist rantings, profanity and empty materialism" that makes Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Chinese and Russians the constant targets of angry Muslims? Sorry, but when A, B, C, D, E and F manage to get along with each other; while G has a problem with all of them, logic tells me that G is the source of the problem. Seems to me, Muslims are the empty materialists for whom possessing and controlling the whole world (all in the name of Allah, of course) is the end in itself.---

Why are you apologizing to me for your comment? You don't make sense. Your comment is meaningless.

I am stating the hypocrisy involved when a secular Zionist hides behind the good name of the practicing Jews, when she practices a different religion called "secular Zionism" or just "Zionism" for short. It is a form of idol-worship. It is worship of the Jewish state. It isn't merely the desire for a Jewish state. I desire the Jewish state; I do not worship the Jewish state. Get the difference? The religious Jews, INCLUDING THE LUBAVITCHER REBBE, were ardently against the very Zionism that Mrs. Gellar practices. The ignorant people who comment on this blog should read the following comments made by the rebbe about Zionism:

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/Lubavitcher%20Rebbe%20on%20Zionism.htm

Mrs. Gellar is NOT "deeply religious" as stated in another comment. This I can tell from the nature of her writings. For example, Mrs. Gellar obviously doesn't believe in practicing Shabbat. That is equivalent to a Christian not believing in Jesus. Just as you might want to believe in Jesus before calling yourself a "Christian," you might want to practice Shabbat before calling yourself a "Jew."

---And as for "worshiping Hashem," isn't that what millions of Jews did during World War II while their brothers and sisters were being fed into the ovens? How many more Jews would have been killed were it not for Zionists?---

Uh, no. You don't understand the Holocaust buddy. Newsflash. The Holocaust wouldn't have happened if not for "Jewish" Zionists and "Jewish" Leftists. They were destroying Germany, just as they are destroying America today. That's what happens when you forsake Hashem. When you forsake Hashem, Hashem forsakes you, and innocent people get killed in the process.

Joy

Please forgive my profanity, but "Mosiak" is full of shit! He certainly has a pole up his u-no-what re the State of Israel! Jews the world over can take pride in that great country - and what it represents in the nearly 6,000 years of Jewish history. This is Zionism at its best - and most justified! Israel is the glue on Earth that holds our people together; G-d is the universal "glue" that binds us to Him and to each other. I don't think that's too hard to understand, do you?

kobi

edward brent: you are wrong, and i think you are either mis-informed or stupid.

the lubavitcher rebbe zt'l and other hasidic rebbes strongly supported the state of israel. he supported israel with bibilical borders which included yesha(yehuda, shomron, 'azza).

the observance of shabbat is not a total definition of what makes a 'deeply believing' or 'practicing' jew.

further, your blaming the shoah on zionists is clear indication that you are a wacko lefty. i know that perspective well.

so before you splatter intelligent blogs like this with your stupidity, do some homework or stop and consider the idiocy of your current perspective.

Polymath

To question Pam Geller's Jewishness is an insult and ludicrous.She is a brave and decent woman, whose values and ethics and tireless pursuit of Justice can only be characterized as rooted in her Judaism.Jewish values and ethics are active not passive, and Pam puts them into action.If more Jews were as conscientious, knowledgeable, insightful, and intuitive as she, the current situation in the US, Israel, and Europe would be starkly different.Our Freedoms,Western Civilization, and democracies would be assured.She needs our support financially, in distributing her postings, and in translations of postings.Who else has established such a rapport with her readers? Who else takes thousands where they would not have gone otherwise? In the end, Jews and non-Jews alike may just have a chance
of survival armed with what she is teaching, exposes, and brings into the open realm.Former New York Senator Daniel Moynihan warned about the dangers of secrecy.Pam does her best to pry open gates and minds.
Edward Brent is simply voicing the Nazi, and now the Arab, propaganda.Read it and learn,
so this approach is recognizable when you come across it.

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