I spent some insanely quality time with Geert Wilders, Parliament member of his own party, the Party of Freedom and film producer FITNA. If you missed it - deprive yourself no more. Whole post and more vid here.
UPDATE: The wonderful KGS at Tundra Tabloids is transcribing this for us:
Pamela Geller: Hello Atlas lover, mama has a big one for you today. I am here at an undisclosed location in New York City with Geert Wilders. Hero, legend, freedom fighter, he is a member of parliament of his own party …the Freedom Party?
Atlas continues: In the Netherlands. And I want to discuss with him the current status of the increasing Islamization of Europe. Now you came to America, what’s your objective?
G.Wilders: Well my objective is to speak to the American audience and to warn them that, Europe, they are losing Europe, if they have not already lost Europe, to the terrible process of Islamization of our continent. And my point today will be that America might be the last man standing alone in the fight for the preservation of our culture, and the fight against, once again Islamization of our Western society. That indeed, when you talk about what’s happening in Europe today with the influx of Islam, the culture that’s indeed like, I believe, is not a culture but a token ideology of retarded-ness, backwardness, and wants only one thing, and that is not to assimilate in our societies, but to submit and everything that we stand for.
And at the end of the day, Europe will lose its freedom, will lose its democracy, and will lose everything that we stand for. And unfortunately the political elite in the Netherlands and in Europe, all throughout Europe, they look in the other direction. They are very political correct, and they are in favour of the biggest disease that we have today in Europe, which is called “multiculturalism”, (unclear2:01-2:06) which they are not, and we see it in the streets of our cities in Europe every day, that the violence, that everything that is happening to our societies is going eh, for the worst. Let me tell you, that we have today in Europe 54 million Muslims, and my point is not so much against the Muslims, but against the ideology.
And I believe that even though there might be moderate Muslims, but that a moderate Islam is nonexistent and that they should not treat Islam like another leaf on a tree. That there is one leaf called Christianity, one leaf that is called Judaism, that Islam indeed, is something that wants to kill the tree and everything that we stand for. And that Islam indeed, as an ideology, can only be compared to ideologies like Communism, like Fascism, like National Socialism, and really, if we don’t wake up very soon, not only will Europe be lost, but America, indeed, will stand alone in the fight against, eh, the preservation of our common heritage, that is everything that Islam is not.
Atlas: This is what Martin Styn had (unclear3:11-3:17) in America Alone”. But America has problems of her own. In your opinion, ‘looking over the pond’ so to speak, toward our increasing Islamifaction of America, so you see what’s happening with the footbaths in the airports and in the schools, (Wilders: yes) also the Saudis buying the textbook companies so the children already have three chapters, two on Islam, one on the prophet Mohamed.
It’s all very small, all very (unclear 3:44), but at the same time, the State Department is bringing in, they’re importing whole Muslim communities from Somalia. And now what is happening, right now, there have been violent protests, recently, because they want their prayer time. Now the other workers said: “why should we have to suffer, that’s not fair”, (so it comes head to head, and they have been fighting 4:05). And I think that this is just the beginning, because again, this is a technique to get people to back down.
G.Wilders: Exactly. I fully subscribe to what you said. Everything that you just mentioned also happened in Europe some years ago. And indeed I remember when I arrived at Washington airport yesterday, there was just before the customs, there was a big sign which said “Welcome to the United States” and I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it, and there were three headscarfed Muslim women on it and a big mosque in the background. Those were the first things I saw when I arrived at Washington airport. And I thought well, what is happening here?
And of course, when you see what you just described, and I think that also here in the United States people should get some kind of awareness, some kind of a sense of urgency that the society is changing, and that multiculturalism and political correctness, to give in every time, means that at the end of the day, will be many yards or many meters as we say in Europe, and you will lose your country as well.
So what I hope, not only for European politicians but also for the American politicians, especially for the American public, be aware more that we are not dealing with just some, something, some other religion, we are dealing in the United States, in the Netherlands, the more we give in the more we compromise, the more appease to them, it’s not seen as a token of strength, it’s seen as a token of weakness.
Atlas: It’s surrender.
G.Wilders: It’s surrender, it’s weakness and they will never stop, ever until they submit all of us. It sounds to some people a little bit extreme, a little bit over the top, but believe me it’s not. If you look at the cities, the major cities in the Netherlands, half of the people under the age of eighteen in the Netherlands, in cities like Amsterdam, like Rotterdam are already (unclear6:09) from different origins, and this today is now happening in the United States, and if not today then it’ll be tomorrow or the day after.
And when it comes to the rights of women, when it comes to the rights of homosexuals, when it comes to the freedom of speech, when it comes to everything that we cherish, it will all vanish sooner or later. And I wish that there were more politicians, mostly in the United States, of course you have some, we met a congresswoman last night, and day after tomorrow I will meet Senator Tancredo, who also has some good initiatives. But the majority of the politicians unfortunately is looking only at the short term, and on the re-election on the short term, whereas the long run, and this long run is not something about decades, but years. Like I said, it’s a process that (unclear 6:59) the sooner the better, and to speak out means that you take a risk like yourself, and a lot of hassle for the things you’ve said, and you’re a very courageous woman to do that.
G.Wilders continues: But it’s the only way, it’s the only way, to speak out and say lets stop immigration, let’s stop Islamization, be more proud, there is nothing wrong with that. People (thrive on our identity, on our culture, on our freedom of speech. And the more Islam comes to the United States, the more Islam comes to Europe the more it will kill everything we stand for. The Koran is not a holy book, the Koran is a Fascist book, and there is no other word for that. The so called, prophet Mohamed was not a nice man that people should follow, he was a murderer, he was a paedophile, if he were in the United States today he probably be executed for the things he did.
Those are the realities, those are strong words, but those are the realities and we should face it, and if we don’t, once again we will regret it. Maybe not you or me, but our children or our grand children will wake up one day in a totally different America. And this is something that I believe in that America and Europe will not want to see.
Atlas: Well the problem in America is that the media has been complicit, there is a power (unclear 8:12) deniability and they will discuss Islam. When there is an honour killing in America and the first half of the article describes the honour killing, and “she was not a good Muslim, she embarrassed the family”, and then in the second half the reporter is saying, “This is not an Islamic caricature, other tribes do this, and this has nothing to do with Islam”.
So people are confused, because the information that they’re getting is dishonest, it’s a lie and everybody is saying the same thing. Now Senator Tancredo came up with a Jihad Prevention Act, (looking at the paper) and yes it’s called the Jihad Prevention Act, and he wants to bar entry of foreign nationals who advocate sharia, and in addition let’s make legislation that will make the advocacy of sharia by radical Muslims already in the United States a deportable offence.
G.Wilders: I think that it’s a very very great initiative by Senator Tancredo. I think I would of course subscribe to last proposal that you mentioned that if you advocate sharia you should be expelled. But I will personally propose in my Dutch parliament when it comes to the first proposal, I think that we should be tougher, we should not only, not allow, for the time being Muslims who are in favour of sharia, but we have to put a stop to immigration from Muslim countries until we resolve our problem. Until we really stop thinking like (unclear 9:36) until we really identify who we are and start being proud of that. And before we have done that, we still have other things to do.
Break in interview.
Atlas: What is interesting with the UN and the (unclear 10:49) Islamic countries, is that they’ve instituted their own, eh, they’ve hijacked the issue of human rights which supersedes everything prior to that.
G.Wilders: Yes. In the Cairo declaration, I think it’s two articles, article two and the last article in the declaration says, that human beings have human rights but they are all bound to the boundaries of sharia. So what I’ve found, this is the point I make many times to our own Minster of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands, how can we have any kind of serious relations with countries in the United Nations which are also bi and multilateral, that really are in favour or subscribe to this Cairo declaration to the sharia.
I mean, this is what you see happening today in Europe, you have a minister, an attorney General in the Netherlands who has said “if Holland would ever have a Muslim majority, I would subscribe to the fact that the sharia would become implemented”. We saw in the United Kingdom last week, that they are already are implementing sharia, I mean we already are losing very rapidly our culture and our societies, to a culture of backwardness and retarded-ness to, to…
Atlas: To barbarity.
G.Wilders: To barbarity, like Wafa Sultan said very wisely, “it’s not a clash of civilizations, it’s between one civilization and backwardness and retarded-ness” and this is what people should see. This is why I made my movie Fitna as well. Not with actors like my friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali made in the past which was a very impressive movie called Submission, a very good movie. But what I tried to do to is use verses, suras from the Koran, and use real images, no actors but real images to let people see what Islam stands for today.
And when people make an effort to make such a movie about Judaism, about Christianity, you would see it, and this shows that today, this terrible Fascist book the Koran, is still unfortunately inspiring millions of people, millions of Muslims in the world, and an increasingly amount of radical Muslims to act against us. And once again, not to integrate into our societies but to submit us, to rule over us, and this is also why my friend professor Eldad supports me so much in this initiative when it comes to meeting in Israel, for law makers to come together, because the fight against Israel is a fight against the West.
They are taking the blows that are not only meant for Israel, but are meant for us. And like Eldad said, this is not a territorial conflict. If one day Israel would be governed, if the Muslims would have their say, it would not be the end of the conflict, it would be the beginning of the conflict and Europe would be next.
Atlas: It would be their first major victory.
G.Wilders: Yes. I wish, I sometimes wish we had, -of course I’m not a war kind of guy, I’m a normal, I hope responsible politician- sometimes I hoped that we had a conventional war, against Muslim countries. Unfortunately we have something far worse. We have, after you saw in Europe, twice in the last fifteen hundred years, that Muslims tried to invade our country. Once they were stopped in Barque, and once they were stopped in Vienna…
Atlas: Charles Martel
G.Wilders: Yes Charles Martel, and now exactly the same is happening, only without fighting, and we are letting them, we are inviting them by immigration by giving them everything they stand for, by appeasing them, by granting every wish they have. It’s the worse kind of war. But actually this is a war, but only we are helping them, we are all the Chamberlains of the twenty first century.
Atlas: Well there are thousands of them, thousands of Chamberlains, you’re in the UK now and they’re actually giving welfare payments to men with multiple wives. The more wives you can have the more money you can get. And when they have to go into a house to search for explosives, where there is some terrorist activity, and you have to bring dogs in, the bomb sniffing dogs, the dogs have to wear little booties, little booties because they’re unclean.
G.Wilders: Can you imagine that, happening today?
G.Wilders: I mean if I read it, you say oh right, in my country there are even worse things happening? I think that we are traitors to our own culture, to our own identity. We should act, not talk, not of peace but act. And like I said, there is only one solution, it’s this, stop the Islamization, stop the building of new mosques, close Islamic schools, where young girls and boys are growing up, and their heads are being filled with an ideology of hatred and submission. Stop the immigration, not only of people who agree with sharia. You know the culture of taqiyya…
G.Wilders: If the Muslim in the Netherlands or anywhere else in Europe says, because he knows that he has to say the right things, believe me, if the Muslim ideology will become more prominent, it doesn’t even have to dominant, it doesn’t have to be 51%, but if it becomes more prominent, and you see in countries where the Muslim population is 10,15,20,25%, taqiyya ,means that they will teach their children that at the end of the day, they will never choose for a society in the West, but they will choose for Islam. And this is happening today. And instead of our government and our politicians and the press core is fighting against it, and showing the public in an honest and transparent way what is happening, they are looking in the other direction, and people like you and me who stand up and are being labelled as racists and as idiots, and we are not.
Atlas: Nope, we are not.
G.Wilders: So the only thing we can do is fight, speak out, educate, make movies make web logs, do everything possible to show people the reality.