Man Beheaded on a Canada Bus

Who was the assailant? 'He just calmly stared at us and dropped the head in front of us'           

Man Stabbed, Decapitated on Bus in Manitoba  Bloomberg

     July 31 (Bloomberg) -- A man in Canada was stabbed to death and decapitated on a Greyhound bus by a stranger in the seat beside him, the Globe and Mail reported.

The victim, about 18 years old, was sleeping with headphones on when his seatmate began stabbing him in the throat with a hunting knife, according to a passenger sitting in the seat in front of them, the newspaper reported. The attacker then cut off the victim's head and brought it to the front of the bus after the other passengers had rushed off, the Globe said. 

Police arrested one man following a stand off at about 1 a.m. today, the newspaper said. The bus was traveling from Edmonton to Winnipeg, Manitoba

UPDATE: I emailed the reporter. The police have not released the name of the beheader or the victim or if the victim was wearing some identifiable religious symbol BUT there are a lot maniacs out that to lunatic shiz. DEVELOPING STORY.

UPDATE: Waiting for verification of details on who and why. Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called the attack bizarre, but did not discuss details, saying he did not want to jeopardize the investigation.

The man wielding the knife had a shaved head and was wearing sunglasses, he said

"He looked totally calm. He didn't say a word I don't think to anybody on the bus ... nothing. Just totally calm." (here)

UPDATE: Here are the details at The National Post:

A 22-year-old Winnipeg man who was the victim of a gruesome murder aboard a Greyhound bus was a fun guy who loved tattoos and working out, according to tributes on two social networking Web sites.

A number of groups on the social networking Web site Facebook are paying tribute to Tim McLean as the victim of a horrific stabbing and decapitation.

"He was a great person, he was kind, thoughtful, and he did not deserve this," Jossie Kehleer, the creator of one of the Facebook groups, wrote on the page. "I feel for his parents and sisters and his (little brother).

RCMP said Friday that Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton, has been arrested and charged with McLean's second-degree murder and is scheduled to appear in court in Portage la Prairie, Man., Friday at 10 a.m. local time.

Beheader charged:

Li - described by his employer in Edmonton as a “normal guy” who may have been going through marital trouble - makes his next court appearance Tuesday.

Despite being in police custody since 1:28 a.m. Thursday, as of Friday evening, Li had refused the advice of a lawyer.

RCMP said that, to date, their investigation has found Li has no known criminal record. Veteran Crown lawyer Larry Hodgson will prosecute in the case.

Li is being held in a Winnipeg detention centre and is under constant video surveillance.

Hodgson said Li will have to undergo a psychological assessment to determine whether he is fit to stand trial. He said there’s no indication there’s a language barrier in communicating with Li, but he’s been equally uncommunicative with police, only saying ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to their questions.

Hodgson said that in 18 years of public prosecutions, he’s never dealt with a case with “the horrific details of what we’ve all been hearing . . .

Comments

[clyde]

Typical Canadian news, leave out exactly who the idiot was that did this incredibly awful thing.

Was he Muslim? A "youth"? What, exactly?

Either tell the whole damned story or don't print anything. Same result. PC gone mad.

[Kristopher]

"There can be only one!"

[Natalie]

This is one of the most horrifying things I have ever heard.

[Cider]

Sorry to disapoint some of you, the assailant was described as a 20 year old, bald headed aboriginal male wearing hip-hop styled clothing.... likely a 'gangsta' gangbanger wannabe (there are 3 major native gangs in the Canadian West, a large percentage of the hardcore prison population the the three Prairie provinces are from these three gangs). One of these gangs M-O is random and very violent acts, with members showing no remorse. In this part of the world, most of the violence is between these three gangs, a few asian gangs and the motorcycle gangs battling over drug trade turf.

[Pamela Geller]

Cider, where's the link?

[jusa]

Even if the offender wasn't muslim, it can still be traced to them.
When anyone does something, whose blamed? Hollywood and video games. If they're seriously blamed, I'm sure a certain group is responsible for embedding the idea of doing this into peoples heads. If there weren't so many beheadings, and video's all the time, I don't think the thought or idea to do it by hand would be in most peoples minds! If a non-islamic person strapped bombs onto themselves, where did they get the inspiration from?

Like Abbas said, he taught the world terrorism.

[Cider]

There are a few stories, this one has some descriptors from eyewinesses http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/07/31/6318756-cp.html
but it wasn't the one I read earlier, might have been on canada.com or another of the major Cdn newspapers sites... but it was quoted from other passengers...

[wxjames]

Pamela,
I probly don't have to ask, but please keep us updated on this nightmare.
Thanks !

[vladtepesblog.com]

It's gotten to the point in Canada that you know a perpetrator is black if there is no description and or Islamic if he is not named. I'm not saying this is the case for this incident of course we don't know yet. But I have seen this all to often. Once, 2 news stories in a row where reported, one where the perpetrator had robed and stabbed someone and police where looking for a 'suspect', the only description given and right after, a full description of a white male who had inappropriately touched a woman on a bus. This dear friends is racism. not reverse, just racism.

[Xoce]

Cider, you racist scumbag. THE VICTIM was ABORIGINAL!!!

We know NOTHING yet (why not?) about the murderer's ethnic background/religion.

Pamela, please make sure Cider is corrected.

"An aboriginal man of about 18 or 20, making his way home to Manitoba from Edmonton, was sitting on his own in the back row, headphones covering his ears, sleeping with his cheek resting on the window pane. CTV Winnipeg reported late last night his name was Tim MacLean. He barely acknowledged the 40-year-old man in sunglasses who, having boarded the bus in Brandon, first sat near the front, then walked down the aisle, slid his bags into the overhead bin, and sat down next to him."
-from http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080801.DEATH01/TPStory/National

The Victim, Tim McClean 22 from Winnipeg. He was looking for work, and on his way home.

around five-foot-four and weighing maybe 130 pounds.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/07/31/6316716-cp.html

Here is the facebook group set up "RIP TIM"
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22639421199

And a picture of Tim
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v158/106/109/512332983/n512332983_275185_2673.jpg

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And Cider, no one on this blog is "disappointed" by your comment, regardless of it being untrue.
We are, however, simply too accustomed to MUSLIMS BEHEADING PEOPLE, and MUSLIM CRIMINALS being called "YOUTHS" or "ASIANS" or not being identified AT ALL.
We are too accustomed to politically correct scared-of-CAIR law enforcement/authorities and the jihad sympathizing media's treatment of Muslim violence.
We're too used to Muslims' crimes either not being covered by the media at all, or the crimes are but the perpetrator's identity (if Muslim) not being disclosed.

[Kristopher]

The victim is named Tim Mclean.

The perpetrator is named Vince Weiguang Li

BBC news website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7537675.stm

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http://photos-552.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v217/25/110/571635552/n571635552_3764103_8995.jpg

a photo of the murderer Vince Weiguang Li

[marc in calgary]

a couple of regular news outlets in Canada have said he's muslim... and of course they have since deleted this information.
some have noted that the conversation between police at the scene and police headquarters indicated people witnessing the killer eating from the dead man.

he'll be in court again next tuesday.
anything said until then, is a guess.

[marc in calgary]

there is an audio recording of what a witness was seeing outside of the bus while he was waiting for the police to arrive.
it's at youtube.com just do a search for rcmp and it is described there.

we don't have the same freedom of speech rules as the USA has...

[John D. Infidel]

Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

[Xoce]

Police Scanner Recording
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/193490.php

Via www.debbieschlussel.com "Listen to the police scanner audio. These Canadian cops are just standing there matter-of-factly communicating about how this guy, Vince Weiguang Li, is hacking off parts of the victim's body and eating them. Meanwhile they're doing nothing." Schlussel also reports that the cowards on the bus rush out while the attack is still taking place and
"They get wrenches and crowbars and instead of using those to hit this murderer and put him out cold, they use them to keep him on the bus. Very sad."

Not only the passengers, but also the cops let Li hack up and eat parts of the body.
utterly beyond belief.

[Xoce]

Trucker urged RCMP to shoot man in bus beheading

LISA ARROWSMITH

Canadian Press

MORDEN, MAN. — Long-haul trucker Christopher Alguire admits there was a point, as he faced a man with a knife who was hacking at the body of a Greyhound bus passenger, when he considered whether he might be able to kill the man with a metre-long metal rod he’d grabbed from his truck.

It was the end of July and Mr. Alguire, 28, had been hauling a load of metal pipe from Alberta to Manitoba when he saw the bus, which had veered off the road west of Winnipeg.

Passengers were streaming out and running away.

Someone yelled to him through his window as he slowly passed that a man was stabbing someone on board. Mr. Alguire pulled over and grabbed the metal bar, a tool used to secure loads on his truck, and sprinted for the bus. Mr. Alguire said the driver of the bus was in shock, so a second Greyhound driver from another loaded who had stopped to help was guarding the door.

Mr. Alguire, who said he is familiar with weapons and martial arts, saw the driver holding the door closed and together they shoved their bodies against it to keep it closed.

Soon afterward, the driver boarded the bus to see if any passengers were trapped, and Mr. Alguire, his metal rod at the ready, followed him inside.

He said he saw a man leaning over a passenger’s body, hacking at a body with a knife. The dead passenger was later identified as Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home to Manitoba after a stint in Edmonton.

Then the man stood up with Mr. McLean’s severed head in his hand, Mr. Alguire recalled, leaving the truck driver with a split-second decision to make. He said he is also experienced with knife throwing, he didn’t think his piece of metal was a match for that knife.

“At 10 feet away, it’s a deadly weapon because you can throw it [the knife] so fast and so hard. If the guy had any experience in throwing, he could stick it into my chest very quickly, or into my throat or head,” he said In an interview yesterday from the trucking facility in Morden, Man., where he works, Mr. Alguire said the second bus driver left him alone on the bus with the attacker. He thought if the man seriously injured or even killed him, there would be no one else who could defend the rest of the passengers.

“My duty was to make sure that nobody else was exposed to his rage.”

Mr. Alguire decided to jump off the bus and slammed the door closed again.

“He walked up to the door and put the head right up to my face through the glass and waved the knife at me. He turned around and put the head down on the floor in front of me so I could see,” Mr. Alguire said.

It was the man’s dark eyes that struck him most. “They were empty. It was like staring into a black hole.”

His adrenalin pumping, and holding his metal bar like a spear, Alguire readied himself for a possible fight.

“I was ready to break every bone in his body. I was not going to let him get past me to the people behind that I was there to try to save.”

The man on the bus turned away, sat in the driver’s seat and tried to start the bus, but the driver had disabled the engine.

Then police arrived, including an armed tactical team, Alguire said he urged officers to shoot the suspect, but they dismissed him.

“He had just finished mutilating a guy. He just killed somebody. Put a stop to him, at least shoot out his knee or shoulder or something,” he said.

“If they would have done something like that, Tim McLean’s body wouldn’t have been desecrated nearly as much as it was.”

The suspect was eventually arrested after trying to jump out a window.

Alguire was also upset that passengers weren’t herded farther away, saying they had a clear view of other indignities committed on the body as they stared in horror through the front windshield.

With the police on the scene and passengers out of harm’s way, Alguire got back into his rig and got back onto the highway. He managed to drive to nearby Portage la Prairie, Man., before he simply had to stop his rig and sit there for a while, trying to understand what he called a “surreal experience.”

The trucker said he has recurring dreams about what happened, including visions of McLean’s severed head, the knife-wielding attacker and the terror in the passengers’ eyes as they watched the incident unfold.

“My life has been in shock, things haven’t been going so well for me,” said Alguire.

But his friends and family are helping him to cope with what’s happened, he said.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton is expected to make another court appearance Monday on a charge of second-degree murder. He has been ordered by a judge to undergo a psychiatric assessment.

Mr. McLean’s family filed a lawsuit Tuesday against Greyhound, the federal government and Mr. Li that claimed they didn’t ensure passenger safety.

Jay Prober, a lawyer for Mr. McLean’s family, said the family alleges that neither Greyhound nor federal agencies responsible for transportation and public safety took proper precautions. He said the family wants to make sure more security measures are in place for bus passengers.

“There’s no security in place,” Mr. Prober said. “This lawsuit is not about money. It’s about accountability. It’s about responsibility. It’s about ensuring that they get answers to questions that they haven’t been getting answers to.”

None of the allegations in the lawsuit has been proved in court and a statement of defence has not yet been filed.

A Greyhound spokeswoman, Abby Wambaugh, said from the company’s headquarters in Dallas, “We believe this was a very unfortunate and tragic occurrence, but beyond that, I can’t address any type of pending litigation.”
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[Xoce]

Manitoba trucker speaks about role in aftermath of grisly Greyhound killing

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=762242

A truck driver who scrambled to help Greyhound passengers who had witnessed a stabbing and decapitation in July aboard a bus on the Trans-Canada Highway near Portage la Prairie, Man., is criticizing the RCMP's response.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Christopher Alguire, a long-distance trucker, said in an interview with CBC News that he noticed trouble on the bus as he drove through the area west of Winnipeg on the evening of July 31, so he pulled over to see if he could help.

"You see somebody on the side of the highway, pulled over erratically in such a manner, you instantly know something is wrong, and it's just the nature of my personality, I'm always willing to stop and give a helping hand," he said from Morden, Man., Tuesday morning.

Bus passengers told him that a passenger on the bus had attacked and stabbed a man, later identified as 22-year-old Tim McLean, a Winnipeg man who had been working at a carnival in Edmonton. Both McLean and his attacker were still on the bus.
Guarded bus door

Alguire grabbed a snipe, a metre-long bar used to help secure loads on his truck, and immediately ran to the bus and assisted the bus driver, who was holding the vehicle's door closed.

"Basically I [got] everybody to a safe spot. They were pretty upset already, so I had them directed to the back of the bus, behind the cargo trailer, so they could no longer see what was happening inside," he said.

RCMP officers investigate the killing of Tim McLean, 22, onboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba on July 30. RCMP officers investigate the killing of Tim McLean, 22, onboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba on July 30. (John Woods/Canadian Press)He told other passengers who wanted to help or were worried about their safety where they could find other tools in his truck to protect themselves, in case the suspect tried to exit the vehicle. Later, the bus driver boarded the bus, and Alguire followed.

"The bus driver had stepped onto the bus and then I had to get onto the bus and step in front of him … because I took it into my own hands to protect all the people as best I could. That was my mission," he said.

He saw McLean's head being severed, then retreated off the bus and helped again hold the door shut until RCMP arrived.
Critical of RCMP response

Alguire said he is disturbed and angry that police waited so long before arresting the suspect, allowing more time for indignities to be done to McLean's body.

"One of the things I did not like is when I did have the passengers in behind the bus … they could not see nothing. And I positioned them there for that reason," he said.

"Now after the decapitation and stuff, the one RCMP officer had the people move to the front of the second bus, so now they could stand on the highway, turn around and look into the monster windshields of this Greyhound bus to where the assailant and victim were.

"And now this ... character, he has an audience and it's like he's provoked to show them his work, and now all these innocent people have to see what this man has been doing."

McLean's mother told media last week that RCMP should have stormed the bus to save her son's body from further atrocities.

Alguire agreed.

"I told the cops a few different times to shoot him, because he has no reason in this world to live anymore," he said.

Alguire acknowledges that people hail his actions as heroic, but he shrugs off the distinction.

"I've had mentors in my life that have always shown me the way of battle, and it just came naturally to me," he said.

"We've got a very close family, we love each other very much and we'd do anything for each other to keep each other safe. It's a dangerous world out here and you know, we got to be prepared at all times to protect our loved ones."

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, is charged with second-degree murder in McLean's death. He has been ordered to undergo a psychiatric assessment to determine if he's fit to stand trial.

[Xoce]

Bus victim's mom demands answers from RCMP
'Why didn't they do something,' grieving mother wants to know

Gordon Sinclair
Winnipeg Free Press

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Tim McLean 22, was murdered on a Greyhound bus on July 30.
CREDIT: Handout
Tim McLean 22, was murdered on a Greyhound bus on July 30.

WINNIPEG - Carol deDelley remembers her initial reaction when she heard that a man had been savagely stabbed and beheaded on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg.

"Oh, my God, that's horrible."

The 47-year-old school bus driver and cook from Elie, Man. - a small town about 40 kilometres west of Winnipeg - told the Winnipeg Free Press in an exclusive interview that she couldn't believe something that gruesome could happen in Canada. "And then," she said, "my thoughts went immediately to the family."

What deDelley didn't know then was that the family she was feeling sorry for was her own.

Tim McLean, the 22-year-old victim, was her son.

Nearly 24 hours after the incident began on July 30, deDelley's former husband, Tim 'Bim' McLean reached her at home with the news. "Don't say that. Don't say that," deDelley kept repeating.

The news media camped outside McLean's Winnipeg home, and it was reporters - not the RCMP - that had broken the news to Tim's father.

Of course, shock sets in. "But then, at a point, you get angry and you start questioning. Well, why did this take so long? Why did it take so long to be notified?"

Later the RCMP would tell her that while Tim had ID, they needed to be sure it was him before contacting the family. They did that by matching him to his tattoos, which took time.

Now that she and her husband, Tim deDelley, have returned home from spreading some of her son's ashes in the peace and wild beauty of the Canadian Rockies, deDelley has questions about the way the RCMP handled the standoff with Tim's accused killer, Vince Li, on July 30.

Li is accused of the stabbing death, decapitation and - as deDelley later learned - the cannibalization of her son. The later indignity having happened as passengers, and apparently Mounties, looked on as if they were watching a horror movie instead of a crime in progress.

Her question to the Mounties from rural Manitoba who rushed to the scene just west of Portage la Prairie - and the emergency response team that helped surrounded the Greyhound bus - is "what took them so long?"

Why did they wait so long with the man trapped on the bus? Especially because the cannibalizing was a crime in progress.

deDelley said an RCMP officer told her that the estimated time between the escape of the Greyhound passengers and driver, and trapping the killer on the bus - with the man finally exiting through a window - was about three hours.

"Why didn't they do something in that three hours, rather than having my son locked in with this maniac who, there was no question, had done this? And (they) allowed him to defile my son's body in the way that he did? What was their game plan? Why did they wait for him to throw himself out a window or fall out of it?"

deDelley said she is still waiting to hear all the details of how the Mounties handled the bizarre and terrifying incident on the Trans-Canada Highway.

"But that time frame is not working for me," she said.

An RCMP spokeswoman offered no comment on deDelley's concerns on Monday, other than to suggest that she contact the Mounties if she has questions.

Meanwhile, deDelley had more to say about what the RCMP did, or didn't do.

"They have a preservation of life policy, I believe. There was no preserving my son's life at this point, I knew that. But to allow what went on for three hours to continue when they could see and knew what he was doing in there. And they did nothing to stop it . . .

"It's why I can't sleep. It's the visions that keep coming into my head. And I don't know when I'll ever get rid of those."

The grieving mother wondered why police didn't shoot the suspect with a Taser.

"They shoot people on the street for much less," deDelley said.

Or what about tear gas?

"He was armed with a knife, not a machine gun. I don't get it."

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"But to allow what went on for three hours to continue when they could see and knew what he was doing in there. And they did nothing to stop it . . ."

-Tim's Mom, regarding the mounties' evil complicit inaction.

(her decapitated son was being cannibalized by vince li on the bus)

[Xoce]

Revolting scam exploits tragedy
Gordon Sinclair Jr.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/columnists/top3/story/4215365p-4808207c.html
Updated: August 20 at 12:25 AM CDT

Just when Tim McLean's family thought it was safe to find a quiet place to grieve.

And just when they thought the bizarre exploitation of the horrific bus beheading of their loved one was finally over, the family has been victimized again.

This time by an Internet scam artist.

Someone posing as Amanda Corrigan, Tim's 26-year-old sister, used a Facebook site to solicit funds from a sympathetic international public and set up a PayPal account to collect it.

"Taking advantage of somebody's sorrow and another person's generosity is just disgusting," Corrigan told me Tuesday from her home near Sarasota, Fla.

Unfortunately, disgusting behaviour is something the family has had to get used to over the last several weeks.

Starting with the gruesome way her brother died late last month on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg.

Followed by intrusive behaviour by some media that could pass for disgusting.

Followed by zealots from an animals rights group comparing Tim's death to the slaughtering of barnyard animals.

Followed by more zealots -- this time hate-mongers masquerading as Christians -- who wanted to demonstrate at the public funeral.

Followed now by the "disgusting" Facebook fraud.

"My biggest concern," Corrigan told me, "is how many people they were able to scam."

We may never know.

But what's worse is the damage this could do to a legitimate trust fund set up to cover costs associated with Tim's death, specifically the nearly $15,000 the family says was spent holding two funerals, one private and one public.

At last report, about $6,000 has been donated in Tim's name. But the family isn't asking for funds over the Internet.

Donations for the Tim McLean In Trust account are only being accepted at TD Canada Trust locations.

Hopefully they'll reach their goal and even exceed it because any money left over, the family plans to donate to charities that would have been close to Tim's free-spirited heart.

Anyway, I have some more uplifting news to report on the family.

And on humankind.

Just before the Facebook fraud story broke, I had been readying a very different kind of column with the help of Tim's Auntie Linda Lamirande, as he called her.

She's a sister of Carol deDelley, Tim's mother.

Yesterday, Linda didn't know what to think when she heard about the Facebook scam.

"The only thing I know for certain is my sister's heartache."

When we spoke last week, Linda had mentioned that because of the tumult and media glare surrounding Tim's murder -- and the public funeral that mercifully passed without incident -- the family was only now finding some quiet time to grieve.

Which led me to tell her that I was still receiving calls from people asking where they could pass on their condolences to the parents, in particular.

Among the callers was University of Manitoba chancellor and former Winnipeg mayor Bill Norrie.

Bill and his wife, Helen, have endured the tragic death of two adult sons.

So, when I was speaking with Linda, I asked where people like Bill and Helen could still send their condolences. To protect the family's privacy, I suggested, people could send them to the Free Press, care of me.

Linda checked and Tim's mother agreed.

Here's how you can address your notes and letters:

Tim McLean's family

c/o Gordon Sinclair Jr.

Winnipeg Free Press

1355 Mountain Ave.

R2X 3B6

Or, if you would rather e-mail your condolences, I will also forward those.

For salutation purposes, Carol's partner is Tim deDelley and Tim's father -- Tim Sr. -- goes by "Bim" McLean. His wife is Nadine McLean.

By the way, you might be interested to learn how Tim addressed the four of them.

He called them all "Mom and Dad."

Which says a lot about both sides of Tim's family.

Which reminds me.

There's something that we all need to keep in mind in the wake of so much disgusting behaviour.

Most people are good.

Feel free to pass that on.

gordon.sinclair@freepress.mb.ca