Dewinter and the Jooooooos
Supporting the Resistance
Filip Dewinter speaking in Ghent, Belgium. "You should know, the real enemies of Israel today are not on the right, but rather on the left: the socialists and the Greens."
The rapid Islamisation of Europe must be fought. In order to fight it, political parties must be engaged. If not, how then to effect change?
I will make the case for the Europeans desperate to save their country(s). I did research (and continue to) and see the ghosts but VB or more particularly the Swedish Democrats have done nothing in recent years that I need to worry about. The Swedish Democrats have had their purge a few years ago and are now clean. I see a pattern of such transformations in several European countries. If they want to become respectable, pro-Israel, I am thrilled to be part of the process.
I can't be held captive to past associations. That's like the left repeatedly running the pic of Rumsfeld and Saddam back in the 80s. Every party, every person, everywhere has past associations that are irrelevant to what's happening now. Hell, I was once a Democrat.
The Counter Jihad summit was significant in that forces must enjoin to fight the scourge of sharia. It's not enough to talk about it, action (and quick action) must be taken. The focus needs to be on what the summit set out to do, what transpired and the next steps that must be taken. Bat Yeor, Robert Spencer, Dr. Andrew Bostom, Patrick Sookhdeo, Dr. Eldad, Paul Belien, Fjordman, et all went to that summit to strategize a plan of action.
I have no qualms about aligning myself with these brave souls to beat our mortal enemy. These daring freedom fighters live under constant death threat. They can not walk down the street in fear of their lives. They are the people on the ground getting arrested. In this video over at Brussels Journal the first man to be taken is the deputy speaker of Parliament, the second man the president of the Vlaams Belang (the testicle grip is not on film) and you will recognize Filip Dewinter towards the end, having his arm beaten by the baton against the bus.
It is a deception to depict VB's refusal to vote in favour of a European Parliament resolution condemning the holocaust as Nazi loving. This EP resolution amalgamated the horrors of Auschwitz with the rise of contemporary European parties, like the VB, which are accused of "stigmatizing (Muslim) foreigners." According to the resolution, opposition against Muslim immigration leads to a new Auschwitz. This was the reason why the VB did not vote in favor of the resolution, not because they deny the holocaust. UPDATE: Here is the text of PE 354.156 European Parliament Resolution on remembrance of the Holocaust, anti-semitism and racism.(hat tip Jeri) Here is the framework referred to in that bill. Read it, it's unbelievable. VB had no choice except to abstain.
Moreover, the notorious pic making the rounds is NOT of a VB demonstration and the flags (black lion on
yellow field) are not VB flags. Paul Belien explained,they are the official flags of Flanders. This is
like saying that Bush is a racist because American racists carried along stars
and stripes at one of their demonstrations.
We must not undermine the most successful anti-Jihad party in Europe by depicting them as vile neo-Nazis.
Diana West in her column: AMERICA'S EYES SHOULD LOOK TO EUROPE hat tip the brilliant Babbazee
Before I met Vlaams Belangâ's Frank Vanhecke and Filip Dewinter in Washington, I believed Europe's rush to Islamize itself was a stampede, its transformation all but inevitable. Now, I think these men have at least earned Europe the benefit of the doubt. Studying their various statements and interviews, I found no evidence to support the crude slanders to which they are continually subjected in the media for being a right-wing party opposed to the massive Islamic immigration now transforming traditional European culture. Indeed, their statements on Israel are more supportive than any European party I know of. As Vanhecke put it in a recent speech, "They call us 'intolerant' because we oppose intolerance. They call us 'fascists' because we oppose Islamo-fascism."
They call us 'the children of holocaust perpetrators', because we oppose Islamists who are preparing a new holocaust against the Jews. America must start paying attention to Europe.'" And to Vlaams Belang.~ Diana West
The Center for Vigilant Freedom has some excellent research here.
From the Sweden Democrats webpage, on questions of nazism and racism.
Claim: SD has a dark history, your party was formed by racists/Nazis. How does that feel?
SD was not created by Nazis, it is furthermore not a direct continuation of BSS (Keep Sweden Swedish) that some people claims. We are sadly aware of that a few members, like in other parties, had said and done things that do not comply to the party politics. But from the start the party has withheld it's democratic, peaceful and non-racist ways which easily can be checked by reading the older party programs. The risk of getting people with extreme political views is always the greatest in the beginning when the party is small and hasn't had time to build a party structure and get organized. We haven't had such problems for a long time.
SD is an open anti-Nazi party which can be read in the old party program from 1999:
The Sweden Democrats rejects Nazism, who's lead motive is the âFührerâ, âracial superiorityâ and aggressive war [â¦]â
Read it all. And read all the links I've provided and decide for yourself. Make your own determination. There is so much at stake. So much evil, so little time.
Filip Dewinter in The New Republic
Vlaams Belang Interview: Support for Israel and Resistance against Islamisation
Here is an earlier interview from December 2005 with Filip Dewinter that provides some clarity on positions that are often presented askew in leftwing blogs: Some background first from the Militant Islam Monitor and then the interview with Dewinter:
Filip DeWinter on the Islamization of Europe
Q: There are those who fear that first you will go after the Moroccans and then the Jews. How do you respond?
A: This is ridiculous. You could say the same about president Bush or Tony Blair: “First they are going after radical Islam, then they will go after the Jews.” As if Judaïsm were an extension of Islam. In our view, Judaïsm and Islam are absolute not two of the same kind. On the contrary, they are foes. One has to choose sides. Which side are you on in the “war on terror”? The side of western democracy and western civilization, with its Judeo-Christian roots, or the side of radical Islam? The side of Great-Britain, America and Israel, or the side of Iran, Sudan and the Taliban?
Q: There are those who say Jews should not be voting for a party that espouses xenophobia. Your reaction?
A: “Xenophobia” is not the word a would use. If it absolutely must be a “phobia” let it be “islamophobia”. Yes, we’re afraid of Islam. The islamisation of Europe is a frightening thing. Even distinguished Jewish scholars as Bat Ye’or and Bernard Lewis warned for this. If this historical process continues, the Jews will be the first victims. Europe will became as dangerous for them as Egypt or Algeria. So, I return your question. Should Jews vote for a party that wants to stop the spread of Islam in Europe?
Q: Last year your former party was banned by the Supreme Court for racism. People say that you have just changed the name of your party, that little else has been changed and that many of the same people are in it. Is that true?
A: Yes, that is true. We have not changed so much since our conviction. Indeed, we were convicted. But the conviction was a sham. It was a political process, aimed at curtailing an opposition party. In the United States, judges are independent. Even the president himself could not influence a judge, let alone the Supreme Court. But in Belgium the judiciary is a tool in the hands of the government. All judges are appointed by the three political parties that govern the country since World War I. Some judges are strong enough to shrug off the political pressure, but that’s exceptional. The separation of powers is just fiction. The laws used in this conviction were specially concocted to eliminate our party. In the United States, we would have been acquitted under the First Amendment protecting free speech. Stephan Pollard, one of Tony Blair’s Jewish advisors wrote a very good column about this juridical sham: “I’ve seen the future, it’s scary and it’s Belgium.” In the Cour the Cassation the judiciary discovered the dossier with the indictment had disappeared. Not just one document, but the whole indictment. Hundreds of pages. They had lost it… In a constitutional state, the conviction should have been reversed for matters of procedure. In Belgium, there was no problem. This conviction proves another thing: the plaintiffs had gone over all our publications with a fine-tooth comb: each article in our party magazine, each political flyer, each book, each essay, looking for forbidden opinions. They accused us of inciting hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, Turks… Of course, these accusations were unfair. But even such biased opponents couldn’t find a single word that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic. A so-called neo nazi-party that in twenty years never utters one bad word against Jews… Is that possible? Yes, we are right-wingers. Just as Ariel Sharon, Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher are right-wingers. But this doesn’t mean they – or we - are anti-Semites.
Q: It is said that your party was founded by Nazi collaborators and Holocaust deniers and that it still attracts Holocaust deniers. What is your reaction to them in your party and the fact that it was founded by Nazi collaborators?
A: Do we attract Holocaust deniers or nazi’s? Well, sometimes a decent women attracts evil men, not because of her own deeds, but because her good name has been blackened by slander. This is our problem too: all Belgium governments have depicted us as nazi’s in their propaganda. Of course some people believe this propaganda. And of course some youths with nazi sympathies think we are their allies. But we are not. They are not welcome. Such propaganda can be self fulfilling. There are some very small nazi groups in Belgium, but they hate us. They say we are the accomplices of international jewry and that we betrayed nationalism in return for jewish money, that we kowtow for international Zionism, and so on. You certainly know that kind of slander.
Our party was founded in 1978. It originated from the Volksunie. This was a respectable party: in 1978 it took part in a Belgium government coalition. Would our mainstream parties (social democrats and Christian democrats) make coalitions with a party founded by Nazi collaborators? Many political heavyweights in the liberal party and the Christian democrats began their careers in the Volksunie. Not one of our “founding fathers” has collaborated with nazism. Our founder, Karel Dillen was just seventeen when WWII ended. He had not collaborated. As a political party, we have clean hands.
It’s is true however, that before WWII, all political movements in Belgium – including the Flemish patriotic movement - have made fatal mistakes in dealing with nazism. But before the war, before the truth about the shoah became clearly visible, this was a mistake many people made. Before the war, Flemish nationalism was politically divided. There were two parties, the VNV and the Verdinaso. In hindsight, it’s easy to see that they made many mistakes. Their most fatal mistake was their inability to discern the ugly, totalitarian face of national-socialism. Another shameful weakness was their indulgence towards the omnipresent anti-Semitism of the interbellum. This was not the murderous, hateful anti-Semitisme of Goebbels and Hitler, but is was bad enough. It was not typical for the Flemish movement either. That low-level anti-Semitism was omnipresent. In France it was even worse. All political parties in Belgium were more or less infected. Even the royal family, even the socialists, even many of the resistance movements who fought the German occupation. They were no Eichmans, but they didn’t like the Jews.
We are not glorifying the VNV or the Verdinaso. But we can’t deny history. They were our historical ancestors. Not our fathers, but still our grandfathers. That doesn’t mean we will repeat their mistakes. When the Germans invaded Belgium in May 1940, the Verdinaso leadership asked all party members to volunteer in the Belgiumarmy, and to fight the invaders tooth and nail. Those men are our political ancestors too. Yes, it’s true the VNV leadership collaborated with the Germans. But it’s also true the Verdinaso leadership didn’t. The first truth is often used to discredit us. The second truth is almost forgotten. We can’t change the past. We can’t deny the dark spots in our history. But we are not prisoners of that history. This bitter experience has been a sobering lesson. We will never ever again believe the false promises of totalitarism. One could only wish the left-wingers had learned that lesson too.
In 2002, the Democratic Party celebrated the hundred-year old Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott came under fire for having made some positive remarks about Thurmonds political views. An evil interpretation could be that the Democratic Party hasn’t changed a bit, that it’s still secretly supporting segregation, and the Jim Crow-laws. Every American knows such allegations are nonsense. Every American knows the Democratic Party has tremendously changed since Strom Thurmond’s days. But that’s just the way mr. Marinower, the left-wingers and the Muslims are making stupid allegations about us, using seventy-year-old quotations to “proof” we are racists, anti-Semites or even national-socialists. For this people, everyone who’s not a left-winger is a fascist or a national-socialist. In their perverted view of history, there’s no distinction between Eichman, president Bush, general Schwartzkopf and Ariel Sharon. All damned nazi’s. Haven’t you Americans experienced the same thing? Haven’t the Israeli’s experienced the same thing? The Democratic Party in the South has changed. Well, the Flemish movement has changed too. Even more so. The Democratic Party still exists. The old Flemish political parties that became entangled in collaboration in WWII have ceased to exist. Their Strom Thurmonds are dead. We are not even their political children. We are their grandchildren at most. But for mr. Marinower, that makes no difference. This is as stupid as identifying the Democratic Party with Strom Thurmond.
Q: Mr. Marinower compares your party to the Ku Klux Klan and says your party’s quest for votes based on protecting the Jews is comparable to the KKK defending the Jews in America.
A: In the past the KKK was responsible for the killing of Afro-Americans, and for inciting hatred towards Jews and even roman-catholics. If such people would pretend to be “protecting” their former victims, this would be in stark contradiction with their deeds and words in the past. No one would believe this, and with good reason. Blood is thicker than water, and deeds are stronger than words. If the deeds contradict the words, believe the deeds, don’t believe the words. You can apply this to Arafat, the PLO, the Palestinian Autority or the KKK. Look at their terrible deeds. But we haven’t such a criminal record. We have never written anti-Semitic texts. You may examine all our publications since the day our party was founded. You won’t find any attacks against Jews or Judaism. On the contrary. Very often we were the only political group defending Israel, both in publications and in parliament.
Q: Your party proposed naming a street in Antwerp for one of the worst nazi collaborators. Who was that and why do it?
A: It was not “my party” that took this initiative. It was a personal, individual initiative of one of our local councillors. He withdrew his proposal when he came to the conclusion that it was too provocative.
Q: You are said to have on your desk two pictures in which you are shaking hands with Le Pen and Haider. Why display those two photos? What does it say about you that you have selected those two pictures to highlight on your desk?
A: Such photo’s exist of course. But they are not on display in my office. We have contacts with Haiders en Le Pens parties. On issues as immigration, we even have common ground. But we don’t like Haiders kowtowing for dictators as Saddam Hoessein or Khadaffi. We don’t like Le Pens typically French views of centralisation, we don’t like his anti-Americanism and we absolutely don’t like his anti-Jewish provocations. Just as almost all French politicians, he has this disastrous illusion that it’sFrance’s destiny to have a special, privileged relation with the Islamic world. This explains the French’s biased political position against Israel. This explains their alliance with Saddam Hoessein, their support of Khomeiny when he was preparing to topple the shah… Le Pen shares this views, and we don’t like that at all. He is not the monster the leftists say he is. But I am not identifying with him. We are certainly no holocaust deniers. In Belgian parliament we supported the law who punishes holocaust denial. Recently we even published an article in our party magazine about Raoul Wallenberg, who saved ten of thousands of Hungarian Jews. In our party magazine, we repeatedly denounced arsons against synagogues and violence and racist insults against Jewish people, even when most of the mainstream press kept silent about this, because the perpetrators were Muslim youths. That’s an indication too: our party is very strong in Antwerp. We have more than 100 000 voters there. There were many attacks against Jews in Antwerp: a car bomb, a grenade attack on a school bus with Jewish children, some murders and attempted murders, and many, many cases of harassing, insult and intimidation. But the perpetrators were invariably Muslim youths or foreign Muslim terrorists. In thirty years, not one of our militants ever committed even one anti-Semitic act. These are not empty words. These are facts. You can check them. Ask the Jews in Antwerp. This is at least a strong indication that we are no anti-Semites. Mr. Marinower says we are evil guys, just pretending to be decent right-wingers. People can play a misleading role for some years. But is it possible that tens of thousands of people play a misleading role for almost thirty years?
Q:You referred during a debate with Claude Marinower to Ariel Sharon and said he was Mr. Marinower’s prime minister. He is not Israeli, why call him Mr. Marinower’s prime minister?
A: I admit I was wrong. This was a slip of the tongue. I said “your prime minister”. I should have said “Israel’s prime minister”. This hasn’t any political relevance. Of course I know the difference between “Jews” and “Israeli’s”. I will defend both of them: the Jews in the Diaspora in Europe, and the Jews in Israel. Both are under siege. Both have the same enemy: militant islam, with it’s anti-Semitic core.
Q: Mr. Marinower says he will follow you wherever you go and tell people who you really are. Your reaction?
A: Well, he has the right to do so. Of course he will not tell who I really am. He will depict me as a anti-Semite and a notorious nazi. Mr. Marinower views are distorted by hate. But he directs his hate towards the wrong people. The Jews have enough real enemies. Mr. Marinower would better fight the real anti-Semites. Now he’s spending all his energy in a war against an imaginary foe. He could use some of that energy to fight Israel’s enemies in his own party. Vincent Van Quickenborne, now secretary of state for mr. Marinower’s VLD, a few years ago had a friendly encounter with sheik Yassin, the Hamas chief. Van Quickenborne wished the sheik “good luck”. Good luck in killing more Israeli children? Mr. Marinower never protested, at least not in public. And a VLD-senator said about the Israeli “occupation” of Samariaand Judea: “If a new holocaust would occur, the Jews have to blame it on themselves.” Could Mr. Marinower clean up his own house first?
Q: What do you think of Europe’s pro-Palestinian tilt?
A: It frightens me. Europe pays lip service to the great principles of human rights, democracy, and rule of law. Israel is the only democracy in that part of the world, the only constitutional state. It’s the only nation that respect the freedom of religion, even for the Arab Muslim within it’s borders. Every decent person, every dedicated democrat should defend Israel tooth and nail. But the Europeans do the opposite. They betray all their principles. The European politicians are kowtowing for the Arab dictators, for leaders of rogue states, for terrorists. The European Union subsidizes the Palestinian Authority with billions of euros and big chunks of that money are directly transferred to terrorist groups. And it’s not the Palestinians alone. If the European Union had had his way, Saddam Hoessein and maybe even the Taliban would still be in power. The European Union repeats the mistakes Chamberlain and Daladier made in dealing with Hitler: they permanently try to appease dictators. They don’t use that damned word “appeasement” but that’s the bottom line of their politics towards radical Islam. Appeasement towards Iran. Appeasement towards Hamas, Hezbollah and the Al Aqsa Brigades. And finally appeasement towards the rise of Islam in Europe itself.
UPDATE: The Gates of Vienna has the whole thing here: Vlaams Belang on the Holocaust by Baron Bodissey
Below is an article that was posted on the Flemish Parliament website in 2005 by Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Belang. Rolf Krake, a Dane who lives in Brussels and speaks Flemish, has kindly translated it for us.
Go here for the complete European Parliament Resolution, and here for the Council Framework.
Vlaams Belang approves Holocaust resolution in Flemish parliament
Vlaams Belang disapproves the political abuse of the ‘Green Party’ concerning the holocaust resolution
Filip Dewinter sent an open letter to the Jewish community
Go here. Read it all.
UPDATE: RE: The Vlaams Belang flag. This is the flag.
here again:
![Kurdistan](http://<a href="http://northerniraq.info" title="northern iraq"><img src="http://northerniraq.info/northlogo.gif" width="135px" height="68px" alt="northern iraq"><br>northern iraq </a>){kind=link}
I posted a comment the other day here in the thread where Pam took issue with Charles' article on the Counter Jihad Conference. I accused Charles, respectfully I thought, of being too PC and as an example pointed out how he had deleted comments made recently by someone who mentioned deportation.
I thought it was relevant to this discussion since it appeared that the same sensitivity to perceptions of outsiders was clouding his judgment io his post questioning the politics of counterjihad europa conferees. I still think that is the case and feel that such commentary was fair and should not be subject to censorship.
I identified myself to Charles at LGF as the poster here as USorThem. (I am "Leave Iraq Now" at LGF). He offered, I did not ask, to post those comments for anyone who may want to defend them. I replied and asked he post the last 2.
His reply. NO and my account was closed.
In addition, he booted the poster (sheik yer mami) who made supposed "racist" comments about deportation and internment. I don't recall what the comment was that I saw because I did not think it necessary to commit it to memory. But I did not think it was "racist". It was, as I can best recall, a fair and relevant comment.
I have not uttered a racist word here or at LGF. Anyone can see my comments at Jihadwatch where I usually post and you can see I have never made an comment that was racist or derogatory of any other poster.
I am sorry for the rant here but I obviously cannot do it at LGF where I should be able to argue my case. I'd appreciate anyone with an LGF account, if they don't mind risking their account, to go over there and ask why I was booted, especially if it was based on my innocuous comment on this blog about Charles' sensitivities.
BTW- I understand another commenter was booted yesterday for conduct "unbecoming a lizard" That makes 3 in 2 days. I guess if you want to comment at LGF you must agree with every single Charles Johnson sentiment or else be cast off as an enemy of the people.
I'm pissed.
Posted by: USorThem | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 01:10 PM
I'm making a conjecture that Europe will not recover because of major economic and social reasons:
1. Post WWII, Europe was hell-bent on social programs. More taxes, more money to help those less well off. The programs work well when the ratio of people paying the taxes versus the recipients of these taxes is high.
2. Governments in Europe take over healthcare, schools are fully goverment agencies, businesses now receive government aid to stay alive, production decreases, and then, the worst part, the birth rate drops tremendously. European governments also standardize practices to a high degree imposing them on other countries if they wish to sell in Europe, therefore becoming a form of protectionism (Hello? Do you honestly think the ISO-9000 series of regs exists to make businesses, especially non-European businesses more productive??).
3. European countries are now lulled into generous government welfare programs but don't have enough young workers to support these programs from their own populations. Ergo, they import workers from Third World nations.
4. European politicians don't have the testicular fortitude to scrap useless and/or wasteful programs. Germany had a huge influx of money for almost six decades having all those GIs living on the local economy. In 1980 alone, the GIs living on the local economy and German civilian working in US military bases in West Germany (about the size of New Jersey) put over $10 billion a year (in 1980 dollars) into the West Germans' economy. Sure at that point the Germans could afford all those welfare programs.
The only way Europe's going to recover from its trend of slow, inexorable Islamism is to completely re-structure its economies and welfare programs. The Europeans need to seriously start screwing and making lots of babies... so they can have a work force that does require importations of Third Worlders. If the Europeans don't remember how to have sex, they just need to watch American movies.
Posted by: Thomas Carney | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 02:10 PM
Thanks, Pam, for the information on the VB.
Charles Johnson is a good leader, a thoughtful thinker and excellent musician but in order to be a general in the army, he needs to read and digest Sun Tzu's the Art of War. Alliances can be tricky but must be made.
In a war, all groups fighting a common enemy must be prepared to set aside ideological purity in order to obtain their goal, victory over the enemy.
Posted by: the poetess | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 04:47 PM
It is remarkable that "Islamophobia" is most widespread in the European countries that have a strong tradition of freedom and democracy (mainly Denmark and Switzerland, to a lesser extent Flanders, Holland, Poland, unfortunately the big exception seems to be England).
It may well be that former extremist parties are becoming respectable because they are joined by conservatives who are disappointed by the mainstream parties.
I am sure that not all of Europe will be overpowered by the Islamists. But not all of its countries will survive this onslaught either, especially not as democracies.
Posted by: Chripa | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 04:54 PM
"Hell, I was once a Democrat."
Oh, that vile party with it's dark past as being pro-slavery. Sorry Pamela, but I should probably no longer associate with you.
I know the Democrats will claim that they have reformed and are now anti-slavery, but I will just forever say "I'm not convinced".
And you were once with them (shock!). I think we will need to put you in quarantine under the suspicion of hitching a ride on the anti-Islamization movement for the wrong reasons.
Posted by: Conservative Swede | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 06:50 PM
Thanks Pam for this article, since it's giving me a totally different picture about this controversy--reminds me things aren't always what they seem, and since I'm getting conflicting messages, guess I have to do some more digging and come to my own conclusion.
Posted by: oppressedbyislam | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Don't let it get to you UsorThem. They are having a contest over at LGF to see who can be the most priggish. Charles asked for a discussion and has already banned two people. One committed the sin of "wondering" if an alliance with far right groups might be necessary to defeat the Islamist.According to them Pam is in bed with Nazis. Very friggen PC. Well...they can tell their children who are bowing to their Islamic masters that its ok because we held the high moral ground.
Posted by: TheBishop | Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Great article, Pam, and well done at sticking to your guns at LGF. They have a great site over there, but it's for kids only. Adults come here and to Gates of Vienna, and Counterterrorism, and Jihad Watch, etc. Keep up the great work. Cc.
Posted by: Cincinnatus | Friday, October 26, 2007 at 04:11 AM
Things are not always what they seem. I venture to guess that many Europeans might interpret the Republican Party based upon the words and actions of Ron Paul and his 'mob rule' believers. By all accounts Ron Paul reflects the socialist left in terms of anti-semitism, nearest to supremist nationalionalism, and apparently is receiving donatations from the Neo-Nazi party in America yet he is not at all representitive of the Libertarian within the Republican Party. Further he hasn't an iota of Conservativism in his body.
That said, I agree with Dewinter that the socialist and the greens are the biggest threat to Isreal just as they were the biggest threat to european Jews in 1930's (the nazi party was the original Greenies as well as the original anti-smoker brigade plus they purged any mention of Christ from their vocabulary changing words like Christmas to the word Yuletide and banning any dispaly of Christmas pagentry from the pulic schools)
Hilter was a Socialist. I believe Hilter got many of his ideals from America's late 19th century/early 20th century progressve Leftist movement (ie Socialist). Read Hilter's words, his words sound just like today's Progressive Leftist (socialist)
Socialist and Islamist have one common denominator however they go about it in different form, they socialize human beings. My personal opinion as to why both Socialists and Islamist want to rid the world of Jews is because they do not conform.
The problem with European body politic is that it believes it is representing Liberalism when in fact Socialism hijacked Liberal words and made them their own.
Hillary Clinton is a good case in point, she spouts on and on liberalism's 'feel good' words however her ideals are based in Socialism.
THis is why the Democrat Party is no longer the party of Classical Liberalism, it was hijacked by Socialists who are experienced at manipulatings words and their meanings. Their 'mob rule' behavior, their scare tactics, their ability to demonize The Other is exactly how the Nazi Party was able to rise to power in Christian-based nation.
Either here in America or accross the pond in Europe is has always been the Socialist and their Nationalistic ambitions who are the extremists.
Posted by: syn | Friday, October 26, 2007 at 10:05 AM
UsorThem,
I saw Sheik yer mami's comment also, and all it did was mention how white-bashing is ok, but we're never allowed to respond.
There's a big ideological purge going on over at LGF right now over this. 'Racism' is the thoughtcrime du jour and it's everywhere! The extremely ironic thing is that Europeans (they're white, you know) are expected not to stick together as a distinct ethnic group, but only come togethe in terms of anti-Islamization. Funny, I never saw any pictures of any non-European people at any of these SAID rallies. In the end, like it or not, it will be an ethnic conflict with a slight twist: the non-European side will be all Islamic. At the end of the day, it's not going to make a hill of beans of difference.
Since I live about 10 minutes from Charles, I can tell you that Redondo Beach, where he lives, is the whitest part of LA. I guess he's a closeted racist also. Really, the man just doesn't have the stomach for this fight, so all he can do is criticize groups like Vlaams Belang and Fjordman, who've actually put their butts on the line for their cause. All Charles has had to do is run a server and worry about getting hit by a car during his daily cycling workouts while wearing lycra.
The MSM is going to label us racists and xenophobes regardless of how ideologically pure we are, so anyone who's afraid of being called a 'racist' or some other such thing should just give up and turn back now.
Pamela, you have nothing to apologize for. Charles jumped the shark, and he said some unkind things to Fjordman in the process. I'd hitherto respected him.
Posted by: PRCalDude | Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:45 PM
That "white-supremacist" cross on LGF is not from Vlaams Belang, but from the VJW of Brugge (which is anti-USA and anti-Israel), see
http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2006-01-01T00%3A00%3A00%2B01%3A00&updated-max=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00%2B01%3A00&max-results=500
and page halfway down and a bit more to see lots of this symbol and their anti-West hatred. Their symbol for theselves is a rat -- a bit of Dutch honesty which LGF could use right now.
Posted by: Cincinnatus | Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Just to clarify that I mean LGF could use some Dutch honesty -- not the rat symbol -- since people seem so eager to take things out of context these days. LGF has been led down the garden path by leftist dissemblers and I don't think Charles is gonna do anything about it.
Posted by: Cincinnatus | Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 03:04 PM
...although, with the latest anti-Vlaams Belang tirade of today, LGF doesn't feel like a friend anymore. Bizarre to see LGF join the anti-European brigade. They've lost it, Pamela. Time for the adults to carry on.
Posted by: Cincinnatus | Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 04:53 PM