BUSH DENIES ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

Another huge capitulation ...... this one to the Turks and their new Islamist President Gul ("there is no 'moderate Islam'"). Bush refuses to term the murder  of hundreds of thousands of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire - a genocide.  If the President won't call genocide genocide and he won't utter the name of the mortal enemy we face, Islamism, we are in for a world of pain.

I can smell the Condarasha ................

BUSH REJECTS TURKEY 'GENOCIDE' TAG New Age.Au

THE US President has opposed moves to legally term the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire a "genocide", backing Turkey's stand on the issue.

"The President has described the events of 1915 as 'one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century', but believes the determination of whether or not the events constitute a genocide should be a matter for historical inquiry, not legislation," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

The comments came after George Bush talked with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and discussed legislation before the US Congress, which describes the deaths of Armenians from 1915 to 1923 as genocide. "The President reiterated his opposition to this resolution, the passage of which would be harmful to US relations with Turkey," Mr Johndroe said.

Comments

[Thomas Carney]

Unfortunately, W. does not have the testicular fortitude to call a genocide a genocide. He would rather say what's politically expedient rather than the truth. The high ranking GOPers are dickless wonders who do not and will not hold the truth in the highest regard.

The late, great President Ronald Reagan had the guts to stare down Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev in Iceland and tell him flat out that the US will not abandon its arms programs. A lesser man would have compromised his principles.

W. went to Yale Law School. I wonder if Yale had an electroshock therapy pogrom for potentially conservative students.

What Armenians and Greeks in what was then the last of the Ottoman Empire from 1910 to 1925 was nothing less than a massive, conscientious, and determined effort to destroy Greeks and Armenians, which is a definiton of genocide.

Greeks in the early 1920s were on a forced march to Greece. Many died on the way. Some Greeks were diverted to ports, pushed into the sea and drowned. US ships off the coast of Turkey were under orders not to intervene.

Mr. Robert Spencer's grandmother was on one of the forced marches to Greece.

[shmujew]

I totally agree with bush on this. How many massacres, which have occurred throughout history are we now going to label genocides? There was only one attempted genocide and that was against the jews in world war II. Massacres do not take planning, coordinating, resources specifically allocated to mass murder, facilities built and transportation resourcesrerouted adn built specifically for the purpose of getting rid of EVERY jew on the face of the earth.

The armenians were in one place , there were no policies and rewritten laws to murder all armenians.

[Underzog]

A friend of the family, Tom Mountain, has a different view of the Turks and the Armenians. http://tinyurl.com/ys3uel

Tom Mountain writes for the Jewish Advocate and the Newton (Mass) Tab paper.

"There's no need to fear. Underzog is here!"

[Vince]

Devastating.

[salt1907]

Our own dhimmitude does have a demoralizing effect upon our allies - the opposition that exists within enemy countries. Another example is our recent hospitality to Ahmadinejad at Columbia U. The Iranian filtered images from that event are certainly demoralizing to those who fight and oppose Ahmadinejad within Iran.

[Timur]

The government can't afford to antagonize any "moderate" moslems who might be useful in the future as allies because they do not want to wage war against the islamic world as a whole. They do not want to kill 1.5 billion moslems worldwide. So be it. Why is it that we are surprised when politicians lie to us? Clinton got Arafag the Nobel peace prize. Business goes on.

[Chripa]

The argument that this issue should not be a matter of legislation seems sensible to me. (In Turkey it is a crime to call this a genocide, in France it is a crime to deny it.) But in a larger context, it´s depressing to see how more and more topics begin to be seen not in terms of right and wrong but as a matter of "opinion".

[pastorius]

Shrujew,
You make me sick. You appear to be an ethnocentric freak, and willfully ignorant of the reality of what Jihad means.

Jihad is, necessarily, the genocide of all those who are not Muslims. It is planned, and it is part of Sharia, which is Muslim law.

Why don't you study a bit, and come back when you've grown up.

[Vince]

shmujew: i have to disagree with you strongly.

I can't believe a Jew would downplay what happened to the Armenians.

Read this, you need some educating.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={77A6620C-8E48-4A06-87D5-AE9DD0E2A139}

excerpt:

Q. Most readers are not familiar with the historical background, so could you briefly review the Abdul Hamit era, and the triumvirate of the Young Turks or the Ittihad, in other words, the origin of the genocide.

A. The Armenian genocide was the culmination of a decades long process of persecution of the Armenians in the Ottoman empire. That persecution was punctuated in the last two decades of the 19th century during the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamit, the so-called Red Sultan.

Q. Red for blood?

A. Yes. In the period of 1894-1896, some quarter of a million Armenians fell victim, directly and indirectly, victim to a series of atrocious massacres, and what is significant about these pogroms was that there was no retribution against the perpetrators. In other words, impunity became the hallmark of the history of the Armenian persecution and it is the dominant feature of the tragedy of the Armenian people. We have yet to appreciate the incredible ramifications of the problem of impunity in international conflicts. In the most recent three volume Encyclopedia of Genocide, I have a separate article analyzing this problem in order to emphasize [its] immense destructive potential.

Q. Well was the Armenia genocide the first time this happened.

A. No, I will explain what happened. The subsequent 1909 Adana massacres was a byproduct, in my judgment, of this phenomenon of impunity, even though it was carried out by a successor regime, namely the Young Turk, Ittihad triumvirate, [Constantinople military governor Ahmed Djemal Pasha, war minister Enver Pasha and interior minister Mehmed Talaat] and I maintain that the world war and the Armenian genocide is the culmination of the consequences of impunity accruing to the perpetrators of the massacres of the previous decades.

Q. Please elaborate.

A. As I see it, impunity is intimately linked to the problem of vulnerability that has been the curse of minorities, such as the Armenians and the Jews. I believe that impunity lies at the heart of the vulnerability of the potential victims. If you examine the two most prominent vulnerable minorities in modern history, that is the Armenians and Jews, you will see that the vulnerability was of dual character. First internally, which is associated with the status of minority. Minority status implies a number of disabilities that make them vulnerable. But equally and perhaps more importantly, both victim groups were vulnerable also externally, that is, they did not have a parent state to protect them. So I therefore maintain that genocide is intimately linked with the problem of vulnerability of the victim population.

[oppressedbyislam]

"intent to destroy" - check
"in whole or in part" - check
"a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group" - check
"killing members of the group" - check
"causing serious bodily or mental harm" -check
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Yet, Bush caves to the Muslims (yes, Turks are Muslims) giving a thumbs-up to revisionist history. Pathetic, and not even pragmatically pathetic, since such diplomatic jihad victories only embolden them more.

[Thomas Carney]

oppressedbyislam wrote, "Bush caves....giving a thumbs-up to revisionist history."

"Revisionist history" is a PC term for outright lies.

oppressedbyislam, I'm not criticizing your use of the term, it's just that the term is a watering down of lies.

More and more, I see in Western academic circles, Western governments and Western media that the truth is taking a back seat to everything else.

Disgusting. President Bush, grow some balls, will you??? While you're at it, Mr. President, get rid of that no-balls wonder, Condi Rice.

[Miss O'Hara]

Outrageous. Unbelievable. Did someone drop a brick on his head or something? What HAPPENED? This, and he said Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same Almighty.

Not in my book, thank you.

[Robert4]

Like pastorius says, shmujew is a sick b*stard. Either willfully ignorant or murderously racist. I would like to see shmujew tell a crowd of Armenians and Tutsis that their relatives weren't genocide victims because only Jews can be genocide victims. I'm starting to wonder if the "shmujew" name isn't just cover. He sounds like a Jew Hater to me...