Nazis? By Their Fruits We Shall Know them.......And so we know them

We must understand the tremendous challenges facing our civilization and work with those who defend the democratic values and freedoms. We must look forward not backward. I think enormous harm is being done to the counter jihad movement in Europe.

BY THEIR FRUITS WE SHALL KNOW THEM

We chose to  participate in a very worthy and substantive conference held in part  by European political parties being wrongly demonized.

I find it difficult to believe, even for a moment, that Vlaams Belang and the Swedish Democrats  chose to support the Brussels Counter Jihad summit and host Jews like me and Andrew Bostom (to specifically speak on the legacy of Islamic anti-semitism, no less) while really, secretly being neo Nazis. To what end? What Nazi does that? They invited  Dr. Aryeh Eldad - is there a more vocal, uncompromising Zionist? And Robert Spencer (his take here)? Vlaams Belang and the Swedish Democrats take the hugely difficult position of staunchly supporting Israel. What Nazi gives interviews such as the one Dewinter gave to the Jewish Week? What Nazi does that?  Why would  they go to all this trouble? For what?  So that they can start roasting Jews after they seize power? I don't buy that. Nazis are quite vocal in their hatred. They don't hide and if you're a real Nazi - I would think Islam would be more your cuppa tea. Jew hatred is celebrated in Islam - there is no need to hide. Read The Legacy of Islamic Anti-Semitism by Andrew Bostom.

Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad are quite clear in their Jew hatred as are all Nazis. No ruse is  necessary - just join the leftist Islamic alliance.

Nazi collaborators

Nazi collaborators have always been a problem for all of Europe, Austria, France, Italy etc. even America. If all the collaborators would had been jailed or boycotted, there wouldn’t had been one European politician. De Gaulle had in his cabinet former collaborators. He declared an amnesty.

Austria elected as its president Kurt Waldheim, former Secretary General of the U.N., a great friend of Arafat and a former Nazi officer responsible for an enormous massacre in Italy during the war. Legions of former Nazis moved to  Socialist parties and aligned themselves with former allies, the Arabs against Israel, America and a free Europe. The same can be said about the European Communists, first allied with the Nazis and who never apologized (until the fall of the Soviet Union.) By G-d, they supported an inhumane regime that killed 40 million people.  I do not think that the Left and the Communists are entitled to attack Filip Dewinter without looking at their own criminals.

Dewinter is right when he says that the Nazi collaborators were amnestied by other parties, even criminals became ministers (France), and chief of state (Austria). Filip differentiates between collaborators and criminals. That difference has never been made  in France,  in Austria, or by socialist parties.

The Neo Nazi, neo fascist movement  is very small in Europe. It is very easy for the opponents of parties like Vlaam Belang and the Swedish Democrats who want promote a  multicultural and left wing agenda,  to group anyone deviating from the group think to group them together and call them neo nazis and neo fascists. They have always tried to do that.

Leftist parties  have their black sheep and have not yet disavowed their collusion with the biggest terrorist and and the biggest racist: Arafat, nor with terrorist Arab regimes and totalitarian communist politicians.

I think that it is important to explain why these Europeans oppose the Islamisation of Europe. The majority of people ignore that Muslim values are determined by jihad, an enemy ideology who's aim is our destruction.

A requirement for integration should be the rejection by Muslim immigrants of all those Koranic verses hostile to Jews and Christians, and of the culture of hate they promote.

Such precautions do not apply to Hindus or Buddhists or Bahais, because their religion is different. Moreover Islam struggles to establish a universal caliphate, a totalitarian system totally opposed to our democratic system and freedoms based on the equality of human rights, the independence of the judiciary and politics and so on. It also wants to destroy all non-Muslim cultures considered belonging to the Jahillyia and replace them with Islam.

Islam negates our history as the former Palestinian Mufti has proven it, when he declared 2 days ago that there was never a Temple in Jerusalem. This also concerns the Christians who share the Bible with the Jews. It means that Jesus never went to the Temple because in the Koran, the Muslim Jesus is totally different than the Jesus of the Gospel, and there is no mention of the Temple. Further all the people of the Bible are Muslim, hence we have no history nor even our religion. Everything is Muslim.

It is for these reasons that brave Europeans refuse the Islamisation of their continent. Obviously it is not  based on race or xenophobia.

UPDATE: Mu!

Comments

[Jane]

Pam: All of your articles are excellent, but this one tops the charts. You speak the truth. I share your passion and anger on this topic, as do many of your readers. Well done!

[lowandslow]

Great essay Pamela. This issue isn't as black and white as Charles at LGF wants it to be just so he can be right. Don't let this all get you down.

Keep up the good fight!

[Miluimnik]

i have spent the weekend with a collection of senile, useless proto-Liberals whose hatred of themselves, and all things Jewish, Christian, or European are the objects of derision and disgust. These self-loathing losers are representative of the vile little turncoats that have targeted Atlas in the Vlaams Belang affair. Please note that these lizards also attacked a certain Israeli correspondent from IsraPundit in the hours before the current Iraq war....claiming that the invasion was on behalf of the ISRAELI NATION (Ha!) and not, because of Saddam's WMD. (The IsraPundit Correspondent was "Tamar" from Herzliya...the discussion board was Little Green Footballs)

This shit must stop for the sake of the Republic and the Blogosphere. LGF is trying to eat it's own patrons. Enough is enough Mr. Johnson.....time to ride out into the Redondo Beach sunset and leave America to the REAL Americans! You are far too burned out to be of use to the American people.

Michael Travis

[Defrocked Lizard]

Pam, can you fill-in some of us former Lizards as to what the hell happened over at LGF?
I know it's not your blog, but I have been there since 2003 and really feel bad with how things turned out over there.
For the record I'm not a Nazi sympathizer.
I wasn't banned, but I and others have been essentially denounced as a Nazi sympathizers by some over there and Charles sees fit to let stuff like that slide, so I can only assume he tacitly approves of those accusations. Even though I have not been banned from there but I have to admit that I really do not wish to return to LGF either.
I wish Charles all of the luck in the world, but in all good conscious I really have do desire to go back.
Do you possibly have any idea on the dynamic in play here?
I asked Charles directly, and he has stated to me that he no longer wishes to discuss anything with me on that subject.
OK, fine.
Do you have any insight on what really happened?
Thank you for your time.

Jim

PS: If you do not feel comfortable publishing this that is OK, but if you could mail me back at my address I would really appreciate it. I'm quite perplexed about this ordeal.

[Daffersd]

Well said.

[Pamela Geller]

Jim, I do not have your email address but you are free to email me at atlasshrugs2000 (at aol.)

To answer your question - in a word? No.

No clue. It defies logic.

[Thomas Carney]

It's utterly ironic and contradictory that a Muslim would say that the Jesus mentioned in the Koran is not the same Jesus mentioned in the New Testament of the Bible. The reason I say this is the fact that Muslims use the arguments that they (the Muslims) revere Jesus as a prophet, also Muslims believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus in order to snag poorly trained Christians and convert them to Islam.

The fact is, there was a Temple in Jerusalem, and it's not just mentioned in the Bible, it is mentioned in Roman chronicles and the order to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem came from Rome itself.

The Abyssinians, Ethiopians, Babylonians, Romans, Greeks and others have mention of the Temples in Jerusalem. So when the Muslims say there was no Temple, they are talking out of their true mouths, namely, their asses.

What liars these Muslims are.

[the poetess]

Defrocked Lizard and Pamela,

perhaps it is the Peter Principle at work and/or the lack of understanding of the principles of war and the desire for ideological purity. I wish Charles would read and study the Art of War by Sun Tzu and he would see that the division of allies is one of the greatest obstacles to winning a war. Our enemies, both near and far, are delighted at this and will use it to their advantage.

[syn]

What I find fascinating is that here in America 'Little Green Footballs' is considered by many to be a neo-nazi, right-wing, racist, hate-speech website.

It's rather condescending and/or arrogant for LGF to accuse VB as 'neo-nazi, right-wing, racists' when LGF is considered by many in America, Europe, the Middle East to be 'neo-nazi, right-wing, racists' who preach hate.

If I am to believe the accusations that Johnson is a neo-nazi (which I don't since exposing Islamic fascism is not ipso facto neo-nazism or racism) then it is odd to hear an accused neo-nazi racist accuse others of being neo-nazi racists.

I don't believe Johnson quite understands how he too is perceived as a neo-nazi, right-wing, racist or that his website is considered hate-speech.

[syn]

This debate reminds me of debates discussing America's immigration issues; use the word 'illegal' and automatically accusations of 'bigoted, racist, nativism' enter the debate after which begins the piling-on the emotional blackmail that using the word 'illegal' means one hates Mexican people.

Apparently these days using the word 'illegal' means "racist, bigoted, nativism which hates Mexican people!"

[Sarah D.]

Good job and a great post Pam!

@Jim - many of us have had the same question over the years, and Mr. Johnson banned us rather than answer. Same story, different day I'm afraid.

[sheik yer'mami]

Little Green Cannibals = totally unhinged.

Bigotry, hypocrisy, hysteria beyond belief. Johnson often takes a look at the Kos-kidz, but when you take a look what went down on his own blog it looked even worse, much worse. Nothing but sycopants and ancle-biters, a wankfest of snickering, holier-than thou pretenders who are not even able to back an argument, but cheered Johnson on as he booted one after another off for 'racism/Nazi'-ism/ white supremacsim/white powerism' and other perceived -ism's- pathetic. Fjordman showed unbelievable patience and restraint and copped it pretty much from all sides.

Much is made of symbols and statues, Filip DeWinter has a white supremacy statue in his bookshelf, does he really? My, I have a Buddha statue, does it make me a Buddhist? I have a bust of chairman Mao, does it make me a communist? I have a statue of a Germanic hunter, does it turn me into some kind of Teutonic warrior? Ridiculous.

No, if this is supposed to be the moral highground I'd rather go out on the street and throw Molotow-cocktails.

The fight against the global jihad will not be won by cyber warriors anyway, and definitely not by holier than thou screen jockeys and canniballistic (misspelling intended!) lizards...

[metasailor]

I don't even know where to begin. So I'll just step around a bunch of side issues and come straight to it:

Cunning Nazis would ***love*** to have some Jews around. They make for great beards, you see. They could first rile up all the honky Europeans about the Islamic menace, get some traction there, and then move on to the Jews. Europeans aren't directly mad at Jews now, but they are mad at muslims - so I would expect the cunning Nazis to go where the market is ripe.

You may recall this quote:

http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

- Pastor Martin Niemöller

Now, let's note how this works: just slap in "Muslims" for Jews in the first stanza, and substitute "Jews" for "trade unionists" in the third.

First they came for the Muslims
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Muslim.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews...

Works just the same, doesn't it?

So, Pam et al - to think that just because these people hate Muslims you might not be on their eventual to-do list, is the height of self-serving naivete.

If you were going to buy a car from someone, and you knew they had a history of helping screw over Jews, would you trust the way they're being nice to you?

Then why would you trust them with having your welfare at heart, when pushing politics?

[sheik yer'mami]

Hi Pamela,

A few more items about the Canniballistic Cyber-Lizards:

This is not the second world war, its not about Hitler and Nazi's, its about 1400 years of Islamic conquest and the global jihad.

It is ironic, ludicrous, that there are Jews (?) who feel they need to protect Muslims as if Muslims were some kind of threatened species. The poster above is obviously not aware of the genocidal Jew-hatred that drives the Islamofascists and the hatred they suck in with the mothers milk.

I have a haunting suspicion that these apologists are insincere and disingenuous. Everyone who looks at the genocidal Jew-hatred in the Arab-world should be aware that they will rip us physically to shreds if given the opportunity.

metasailor, I don't believe you: you are a fool or a fraud or a Muslim, which one is it?

Name ONE Nazi-affiliated party that can even achieve 3% of the vote in any European country! The imaginary Nazi-threat and the white power phantasies are totally out of kilter and have nothing, nothing at all to do with reality.

But it seems that the lynchmob-mentality of the hysterically holier-than-thou, morally-superior football-lizards has got the better of them and makes it impossible for them to take a hard look at the reality on the ground.

There are no Nazi's lurking behind the bushes, but there are millions of militant Muslims ready to bash, burn, bomb and slash everything in their way to make Europe Islamic. America/Australia is next.

We have to stop them.

That's the problem. I will do a take on my blog later.

[Michael_B]

I have yet to see a convincing or cogent argument put forward by Charles and Co. at LGF in support of their position. I do think VB has engaged in some rhetoric in the past that could be construed as having a racialist basis, but I've also seen indications that it has never been pronounced, and additionally and more importantly that they have left even that behind them, to the extent it was at all viable in the past. (And I'm not at all sure it ever was since some of that language, when it did come out a decade or more ago, could just as easily be construed as standing against aggressive forms of large "M" Multi-Culti initiatives.)

[Super-Skrull]

See, what people never understand is that pro-white is not Nazism. Every other group can publicly defend their own interests. Its only 'racist' if a white male says it. I'm so tired of being told how 'evil' white men are. Seems to me that whites are the only group who bend over backwards to cater to everyone else's concerns. Why is it so evil for a people to choose their nation's make up?

[ZionistYoungster]

LGF has its place (and not a bad one either) as a newswire and a debunker of MSM fraud.

For going beyond raising awareness, and discussing steps to take in real life, this blog and Gates of Vienna and others are where to go. Places where unreasonable constraints on discussion, resultant of giving too much heed to the opinions of others, are absent.

Keep up the good work, Pamela. HaShem bless you.
ZY

[Wimbledon Womble]

LGF has been making itself irrelevant for a while now. In terms of primary posts, Charles has been diluting his anti-jihad for some time now with his obsessive and infantile posts on Daily Kos. Now he has a new obsession, although his DKos obsession is still alive and well. There is one post on the BJ affair and one anti-DKos post on Nov. 1. So he has other issues. Great. It's just that he can't just post once on an issue. Once he gets started and combs the web for comments about LGF, he has to keep going. So it becomes an obsession, like DKos and now BJ.

The comments associated with his posts have become mere quips without substance, almost entirely by yes-people, with almost no deviation to the right or to the left from a cynical "lizardoid" center. It's just a social club now.

It's still a useful site with some good links, but it's less and less vital. There are so many alternatives now. I think more and more "lizardoids" will be shedding their skin and looking for sites with a better signal/noise ratio.

LGF has driven away Fjordman and a lot of Europeans who see Islamization at a more advanced stage than those in the US. Who is Charles to judge what is or is not a proper response to the more immediate threat in Europe?

Basically, Charles got involved. Then he got criticized and instead of just letting it go, he had to keep going. He had to be right.

I am undecided as to whether the ebb of LGF as a counter-jihad site is a big loss or not. Things change fast on the web, and LGF is and was never as important as Charles might think. There are plenty of alternative sites that are more focused, with the same links to non-MSM information sources and allow more dissent (left or right) and real discussion - JihadWatch, this site, Gates of Vienna, and countless others.