UPDATED: SCROLL: Chicago Tribune reporting the shooter is a
Chinese National, here in the United States on a student visa.
UPDATE: Killer was not a Chinese national. He was Korean, resident alien, NATIVE SOUTH KOREAN CHO SEUNG -HUI
Sketchy details on the
22 32 dead at VA Tech, all shot by a supposed lone gunman. Reports say the gunman is dead but I saw a picture of the "suspect" on the ground being handcuffed. [UPDATE: GUNMAN CONFIRMED DEAD, the guy in the picture may have been taken for questioning and released] The suspect is "Asian." The victims were lined up and shot execution style. Anybody got a name?
VA Tech is basically a U.S. Army Military recruiting school.
There have been two bomb threats at VA Tech in the last two weeks. We do not know if these are related.
Friday, April 13, 2007 Virginia Tech is offering a $5,000 reward related to the two recent bomb threats on campus.
The reward will be given for information or leads leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons involved in either bomb threat incidents occurring April 1 or April 13.
Information should be directed to Virginia Tech Police at 232-TIPP (8477).
Virginia Tech Police, in collaboration with other law enforcement agencies, continue to investigate both incidents.
UPDATE: What they know so far from ABC NEWS. Anybody got a name?
At least 25 people are dead in what may be the biggest mass killing on a college campus in American history -- and the death toll may rise.
Police at Virginia Tech say that the shootings happened at a dormitory and a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus in Blacksburg, Va.
Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said that one person was killed in the first shooting, just after 7 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a large dormitory. Flinchum said that at least 20 more people were killed in a later shooting at Norris Hall, an academic building.
Flinchum said the gunman was dead, but wouldn't say whether the shooter killed himself. The gunman, whose identity has not been released, is among the dead.
ABC News confirms that there were two separate bomb threats at Virginia Tech that targeted engineering buildings. The first was directed at Torgersen Hall, while the second was directed at multiple engineering buildings. Students and staff were evacuated, and the university had offered a $5000 reward for information into the threats.
Not all of the students involved in the shootings are dead. Two local hospitals are reporting treating 21 people.
University president Charles Steger said that police have not officially tied together the two shootings. Steger described today's events as an incident of "tragic proportions," and said, "the university is shocked and horrified that this would befall us."
The campus is closed today and classed are cancelled today and tomorrow. Families seeking to reunite with their children have been directed by the unversity to the Inn at Virginia Tech.
UPDATE: 32 dead
At Montgomery Regional Hospital 17 patients - 4 patients critical and in surgery
At New River Valley Medical Center 5 patients - 4 stable, 1 critical
At Carilion Roanoke Memorial - 3 patients, all criticalAt Lewis Gale Hospital - 5 patients, including one faculty member.
Total 30 wounded, 8 critical.
UPDATE: Gunman chained the door shut to the building where he killed his victims. Premeditation. Clearly this is a military type shooting. 50 people shot, some of the moving. 32 dead as of now. This guy has military training. The high kill rate is off the charts for one person doing the shooting at moving targets.
There were two shootings.
The first shooting took place is Johnston Hall (28). The second was in shottings took place in Norris (132) ~ 2 hours later. Note how large a distance had to be traversed by the shooter. Check out the map
More terrible proof of why we need the second amendment. Disarm the people and we are sheep to slaughter. If someone had a gun on them they could have taken out this animal. You will never stop killers from getting guns, why disarm the folks that could stop them? Gun control is for lemmings.
Sounds of gunfire caught on camera cell phone video from the scene of the Virginia Tech campus shooting.
UPDATE: The Collegiate Times, an independent student-run newspaper serving the Virginia Tech community, has ongoing updates here
UPDATE 3:43pm: New info from ABC News;
Law enforcement officials tell ABC News they believe there was a single gunman, firing at least two 9mm semi-automatic pistols. They said he may have been wearing a bulletproof vest.
Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said that one person was killed in the first shooting, which occurred just after 7 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a large dormitory. Flinchum said that at least 20 more people were killed at Norris Hall, an academic building. At least 21 injured students were admitted to a local hospital.
Anyone have the name yet of the "young, Asian man?"
UPDATE: Look for plenty of blame but this post over at the Free Republic is most disturbing. hat tip EJO
One News Now ^ | 04.16.07 | Jeff Johnson
A Virginia Tech official in 2006 praised the defeat of a proposal to allow students with state-issued concealed handgun permits to carry their handguns on college campuses in Virginia. At least 20 unarmed students were killed on the VA Tech campus Monday morning by a single gunman. Virginia House Bill 1572 was proposed in 2005 by Shenandoah County, Va., Republican Del. Todd Gilbert after a VA Tech student with a state-issued concealed handgun permit was arrested and charged only with "unlawfully" carrying a handgun on campus. The bill would have prohibited state universities in Virginia from enacting "rules or regulations...
UPDATE 5:48 pm: 33 dead. The shooter is dead. Why not release his name? The delay is suspect. Are they notifying the family? /sarc tag
The latest meme making the rounds is that shooter was from Radford University and that he went to VT to shoot his girlfriend. Then went to engineering bldg. What bullshit. Next they'll start circulating the " mentally unstable" meme. You don't chain the doors shut if you are merely looking to hurt your girlfriend. CHAINED THE DOORS SO THAT NO ONE CAN GET OUT. That is premeditation
Flopping Aces has an excellent post here. Many updates. He names a potential shooter as well.
UPDATE: Bill O'Reilly is reporting the shooter is a Chinese National, here in the United States on a student visa with no known terror ties (they sure make that determination fast, don't they?) Still nameless. O'Reilly's source is the Chicago Sun-Times
Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said.
The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said. More here
Excellent editorial over at Seraphic Secret hatip tip Jeramayakovka
I am not including the killer in this count, and I do not undertstand why some news sources include the murderer with his victims. This is the height of moral equivalence. It makes me sick.
Some news sources are desribing this as a tragedy.
It is an atrocity.
Again, it seems to us that journalists, so many of them schooled in post-modern ethics, have so debased language that they have no idea how to distinguish between a natural tragedy, such as a hurricane or a tsunami, and a massacre, planned and carried out by an evil man; thus an engineered atrocity.
UPDATE: Killer was not a Chinese national. He was Korean, a resident alien, native South Korean CHO SEUNG -HUI.
UPDATE: Judith Klingoffer, History News :
I know I am going to get hate mail and I may be rushing to judgment. But it all seems to follow such a familiar pattern. Terrified students lined up against the wall of their classroom and shot, execution-style. Once again, this time in a campus filled with young men and women military age, a lone bully seemed to have been able to go on a rampage without anyone trying to actively stop him. What did the students and faculty do? They either cowered behind furniture or locked their door. He, of course, went on to shoot the students next door. Once again, as Bill Bennett noted, heavily armed men were seen swarming OUTSIDE assessing the situation!
As this murder spree took place on Holocaust memorial day, it is not be surprising that the one man who said "Never again" was a 76 year old professor, a holocaust survivor.
He did the best he could, blocked the door with his body and told his students to flee. Of course, it would have been better if had he told them to attack.
You think I am too harsh? believe it or not, Mahatma Gandhi shared my view. Per chance, I as reading Mohandas yesterday and it included his response to the information that Hindu homes had been looted in Sharanpur in Western UP, an a housewife assaulted without the local Hindus putting up a fight. He emphasized that he was not asking Indians to respond with absolute non violence to villainy, or against "thieves, robbers or . . . nations that may invade India. He added:
As a Hindu I am more ashamed of Hindu couardice that I am angry at the Mussulman bullying. . . . Where there are cowards, there will always be bullies."
Of course, standing up to bullies is no longer the expected even of trained fighters. How can one expect young people at a university to behave more courageously than British marines confronting Iranian bullies? We better. For as Gandhi expected, in the current atmosphere bullies are multiplying and the price of continuing to go as sheep to slaughter is getting higher and higher by the day.
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