Veiled Muslim Gives XMas Message

This is beyond weak. It is sick.

Veiled British Muslim woman delivers alternative Xmas message AFP 

A Muslim woman in a full-face veil went head-to-head on television with        Queen Elizabeth II, delivering an alternative Christmas Day message on religious integration.

At the same time the 80-year-old monarch's Christmas message to Britain and the Commonwealth was broadcast, a woman known only as Khadijah spoke on Channel 4 television Monday about why she wore the niqab in public and called for tolerance.

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[vaskeli]

Why?

[Steve Harkonnen]

Muslims calling for tolerance?

What a pantload.

[Rawsense2004]

Merry Chrismas, good friend of the righteous. ;)

[Liberty712]

Spare me the B.S. Ms. K. You speak of tolerance? What a joke. You come to our liberal western societies and practice your religion as you see fit while we can't go to many Muslim countries with our bibles or crosses. Your culture treats other cultures with contempt. When your idiot radicals take over Christian churches they desecrate them in such a vile manner it makes us wonder how your culture can produce such animals. Your culture treats women like farm animals for breeding; in court a women's testimony is deemed to be not as credible as a man's testimony and women are denied a fair inheritance. Your religion is nothing more than a codification of ancient and backward tribal customs. Go to where you came from and make your societies more "tolerant" and then we can talk. Oh, about those silly costumes you wear. Didn't a wanted Muslim male recently escape Britain while wearing that get up and now is a fugitive from justice. Ms. K, how about your culture joining modernity? I could go on and on..........BTW, did you hear the one about Mohammed and the 6 year old?...

[Grey]

Tried to share this story (thru Pam) a few days ago: http://haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449

...A Jewish woman,beaten by Israeli men, for refusing to sit in the back of the bus (try to think "Rosa Parks").

Still waiting for Atlas to comment on how it shows how this makes the Israelis more human than the intolerant Arabs animals with their veils on women and whatnot?

Any day now...

[john jay]

friends:

maybe khadijah has found her calling.

she could save money for the major news networks. instead of having the usual suspects tell us what a speaker has just said, just like we cannot understand for ourselves, and then tell us what the various arabs in the world think about it as well, they could just have good ole khadijah come on and do the whole thing.

save the networks the costs of the "middle man," so to speak.

what in god's name is this world coming to? england, the cradle of our liberties, for crying out loud.

john jay

[1viewpoint]

What this all boils down to is that "Authorities" regardless of what country they are in, are more interested in their Political future, rather than Public Safety. Their rule is "Never offend someone who can affect you career".
If it pisses them off to raise their stupid ass veil--So BE IT!

[x_dhimmi]

GREY, I have read the Haaretz article you linked. First of all, this was an American woman visiting Israel who apparently has never heard the old axiom "When in Rome..." She was aggressive in trying to rend the local custom of segregated bus seating by beligerantly thrusting American law into a foreign milieu. Secondly, the article identifies the men as "ultra-Orthodox (Haredi)." I don't know what that means, but the context suggests to me that the men were not the "average" Israeli man. The woman even says she doubts they are a majority. Third, an Israeli man is cited as assisting the woman. Why do you not give credit (to an Israeli man) where credit is due? Why do you want to characterize Israeli men by pointing to this small group as example when another man can serve the same role? Lastly, Pamela has no obligation to defend every Israeli. She wouldn't defend every American (even though she is an American), so why the f'k would you demand she defend Israelis who (in American eyes) are discriminatory of women? You're way off the reservation here, GREY. Your moral authority to demand Pamela justify the unjustifiable (in order to be consistent in her defense of Israel) is nil.

To be clear, (as a woman) I do not approve or appreciate the treatment the woman received by the small group of Israeli men who attacked her for not following local customs. Nor do I think she was justified in her disregard and dismissal of local customs in a foreign country. If I were to go to a middle-eastern country where the hair covering is expected, I would cover my hair. The woman should have had the same respect for her hosts. She chose to be there knowing the circumstances.

[x_dhimmi]

p.s. Meant to add: The woman in the Haaretz article is nothing like Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks was an American in an American city with all the rights attendant to Americans. Your comparison of the two women, GREY, is invalid.

[Marissa]

"Still waiting for Atlas to comment on how it shows how this makes the Israelis more human than the intolerant Arabs animals with their veils on women and whatnot?"

Wasn't really aware of this being a common thing in Israel. Don't think it is. In any event, with the intolerant Arab animals it is a way of life and not just an uncommon aberration.

[Grey]

x-dhimmi,
When did I ever claim to have any "moral authority"? And when did I "demand" anything from Atlas?

HOWEVER, in painting every Muslim/Arab with such a broad brush ("animals"), I'm intrigued by how there's so much such detail (nuances) in Israel.

Most of the Muslim/Arab men don't throw acid in women's faces, prior to the war there were bars and liquor stores in Iraq and hair covering wasn't required (couldn't say the same about Kuwait), the Iranian government provided intelligence to the U.S. when we went after the Taliban (Iran never liked them..., they also don't like the Saudi royals). And Rosa Parks was a Black woman in the Southern United States, where "back of the bus" was required by law, not just a custom. So my comparison may be "apples and oranges", but it's not completely invalid.

[x_dhimmi]

GRAY, the tone of your initial comment on this thread was demanding and impatient. [QUOTING YOU] "Still waiting for Atlas...", "Any day now..." That anyone feels comfortable in making like demands on another person is indicative of the interrogator feeling superior in their point -- your inference being that if Pamela criticizes the Arab culture's treatment of women, she must in good conscience also criticize the small group of Israeli men for mistreating the ungracious American woman. That feeling of having a superior position, my friend, is seen by many people as "moral authority." You may disagree, but I type the truth.

As MARISSA pointed out, the story about the small group of Israeli men is an aberration. Not so the numerous, daily accounts of how the Arab culture treats women. To compare the two cultures by citing a single instance as equivalent to a way of life in the second culture (the koran lays out the subservient role of women, so they are merely being "good" muslims) is mishandling the truth. There are rotten apples in every society; I'm saying the small group of Israeli men in question are among them. I'm saying, too, that most muslim men are rotten apples on this question.

I maintain the comparison to Rosa Parks is invalid -- completely. There's a reason people don't compare "apples and oranges" (your words). It's because it is an invalid comparison.

[Marissa]

Not that x_dhimmi needs my help but Rosa Parks and sitting in the back of a bus was part of racial segregation. Racial segregation was a means of segregating a specific race of people from another. In schools, restaurants, rest rooms, on busses etc.

All of that was dealt with and no longer exists. No one is forced to ride in the back of any bus anymore. Further, that type of segregation was not rooted in a ancient religious theology that applies to all races in general and to women in particular as is the case in Muslim countries.

Like x_dhimmi, if I were to travel to a country like Saudi Arabia I would wear a veil since it is a part of their religious, cultural, and even legal system. I may not like it but I do think the adage "When in Rome do as the Romans do" makes sense.

Now if we could just get the Muslims here in the U.S. to also follow that adage we would be getting somewhere. Instead, they expect us to bend over backwards for them. Just as they do in Britain and everywhere else in the western world.

[Thomas Carney]

Muslim idea of tolerance: We (Muslims) dominate you (non-Muslims), exploit you, we sit on our lazy filthy azzes and you enjoy it.

[pastorius]

X Dhimmi,
I don't agree with you that the "when in Rome" thing applies in the least. Those men are disgusting. Fuck them. What they did is against the law, and more than likely they will pay for it.

And, that's where Gray P is being stupid, because he doesn't seem to understand that the difference between Israel and, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran is that in Saudi Arabia and Iran the "modesty" patrols are part of the state police. In Israel, they are self-appointed ultra-Orthodox fuckheads.

[pastorius]

By the way, if the ultra-Orthodox people want to live that way (separating men and women, not beating women), then they ought to hire their own bus line, and not expect that they can enforce their will on public lines.

[pastorius]

Marissa,
If you are a Jew, then you wouldn't have the choice to travel to Saudi Arabia, because they have a "no Jews allowed" policy.

For my part, i would never visit any country that was as infected with anti-Semitism as most of the ME is.

And, I'm not a Jew.

I hated being in France, because they have similar problems. It made me sick to give them my money.

Anyway, I think we can and should expect Israel to live up to its own laws. It is a Western style nation, and as such it needs to respect Western style concepts of human rights. When Norway, or Germany, or any other Western nation does not respect Western concepts of human rights (as in the case of honor killings) we criticize them. Likewise, we ought to criticize Israel if they are allowing these ultra-Orthodox a-holes to get away with stuff like this.

However, the truth is, more than likely these guys won't get away with it.

Note that the witness said, "I've never seen anything like it before." He said that because this kind of crap doesn't go on often in Israel.

[HelyeahWinnie]

This Moslem woman insists on "pointing out "links" between two "faiths" where THERE ARE NONE! Christians believe that Jewish Jesus is the Son of God, not merely a "prophet" yet when Christians hear Moslems making other claims we see it as BLASPHEMY, yet Christians aren't calling for THEIR heads.
Their Mohammed might have been a messenger but he certainly wasn't bringing a message of anything GOOD.

[Peter VE]

Leave it up the Brits to include the Muslems while excluding the people of many other faiths represented in their country: Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Druids, Catholics, etc.