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AMERICA"S TRUTH FORUM
"ISLAM IS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT"
Lots of interesting little details: for example, more than a couple of speakers were contacted by government agencies and by media (in one case CNN) to strongly recommend they not speak at this symposium. It's not enough that the jihad-loving media actively deceives the American people about the gravity of Islamic fundamentalism by ignoring it and distorting and twisting reality; here you find that they are trying to shut truth-tellers up.
Photo right: Bruce Tefft, Robert Spencer, Harvey Kushner
More than anything, what was impressed upon me was that Islam was not so much a religion as it is a political ideology -- and a violent, oppressive one. More dangerous than any previous threat in world history.
And while it was not a political conference, the ramifications of Tuesday night's election results worried the panelists.
Many of the speakers came at great personal risk to their safety. All live under constant threat of death. "I know they want to kill me."
SHOT OF THE DAY..........love that woman! Much thanks to John of the Lodge for snapping it. He caught the moment.
Wafa and me ...will begin download of her remarks as well as the others.
Posing questions to Robert Spencer and Jim Gilchrist.
Wafa VLOG, modern day heroine.
I cannot load the audio right now -- I don't have the Digital wave software (laptopless) -- so check back on Monday for Walid Shoebat (photo below), Wafa Sultan, and Robert Spencer's complete remarks. I will continue to update this post ... but not tonight.
The objective of this forum was to inform the American people of the violent, relentless enemy intent on world domination. Distressing that only a couple of hundred people showed ........ a couple heard of the symposium from Atlas and thanked me profusely. But the jihad-enabling media blackout is the jihad's best weapon. It's frightening. We've got to build this alternative news source. Got to.
UPDATE: Radicals Refuse to Negotiate November 12, 2006:
The violence in the south is increasing, with Islamic terrorists ambushing police patrols, and increasing their attacks on Buddhist clergy. The Islamic radical groups have shown no interest in negotiating with the government.
November 12, 2006: A good example, of how self-destructive Islamic radicalism is, can be seen in the continuing campaign to stop polio vaccinations. Several years ago, Islamic conservatives in Nigeria began urging parents to refuse polio vaccinations for their children. Eventually, this thwarted the worldwide effort to wipe out polio, because dozens of new cases appeared in Nigeria. All this comes from paranoid rumors that the medicine was a Western attempt to sterilize Moslem children. The Nigerian government put pressure on conservative Islamic leaders to stop preaching against the vaccination program, with mixed results. Islamic radicals are preaching against other types of vaccinations as well, causing something of an "Islamic Plague" among the growing number of unvaccinated children.
One of the most speakers, Dr. Babu Suseelan, discussed Islam's continued threat to world peace from a Hindu perspective. He recounted the history of mass slaughter of Hindus and Sikhs, and implored the West to join together -- Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, all people, to battle the enormous Islamic threat. How does he know? Go here.
The following item was posted inside a major Mosque in London :
"If a kafir (non-Muslim) is going into a Muslim country and he is walking by, he is like a cow. Anyone can take him. That is the Islamic rule. If Muslims cannot take them, you know, and sell them in the market, then kill them. It is ok".
Wafa Sultan: "Honor killing is a way of life in the Middle East."
More Al Qaeda pearls of wisdom here at FOX News; hat tip Pam
Leader of al-Qaida in Iraq Mocks Bush
BAGHDAD, Iraq — A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed. "We haven't had enough of your blood yet,"taunted terror chieftain Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, identified as the speaker on the tape.
And yeah, this is going to be tough to take.
Spencer's JihadWatch is the most comprehensive, informative website on Islam. His latest work, The Truth about Muhammad, is the definitive book on the subject -- a must read now. And yet for all of his profound thinking and meticulous research, I gotta tell you, I found him to be the most engaging, charming sharp, concise, funny man. He's a pistol, razor-sharp, but the message this scholar delivers is grave. The depth and breadth of Spencer's knowledge on Islam and the Quran is without peer. Check out Andrew Bostom, Charles Johnson and Bruce Thornton's review here.
UPDATE November 13: Here are ROBERT SPENCER'S unedited remarks.
WAFA SULTAN Audio here: Download wafa_sultan1111.wav
WALID SHOEBAT Audio here: Download walid_shoebat1111.wav
Footnote: I have not given white space to the Islamic
apologist Hamid Mir. (He is the only journalist to have met
with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahri since the
September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.) He fought intermittently with Spencer and Sultan
and was disingenuous about the facts concerning Islam. Each time his
inaccuracies were starkly pointed out, he would cop out to, "I am not
an Islamic scholar."
At one point, Sultan called him out on "Islamic tolerance." She asked Mir, "if Islam is tolerant of other religions then why can a Muslim man marry a Christian or a Jew, but a Muslim woman can not? She will be killed. Honor Killing."
He lost all credibility with me well before he said that Hezb'Allah
was disarmed after the Israel/Islamic conflict this past summer. He was on a mission, and
when Janet over at Frontpage mag sent me this gem, it all made sense:
I just had a conversation with a Muslim reformist and author/publisher from Pakistan who is threatened by fatwas by the likes of Al Qaeda. He confirmed that non-Muslim journalists have been able to interview Osama when Osama wanted to convey a particular message to the West. However, he stated that no Muslim reporter can reach OBL unless he agrees with his jihadist mission to establish the worldwide Caliphate. According to my well-respected source, AQ has intelligence (often dating back to a person's youth) on all Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Malaysia and Indonesia who are active in any field. It is therefore impossible to survive, let alone live, in Osama's territory if you are an active Muslim and don't agree with the jihad. In other words, it is impossible to hide from AQ in that region.
Furthermore, according to this Pakistani publisher who lives on the West Coast, Hamid Mir was on an AQ-sanctioned mission to the West. He maintains that AQ provides tickets, photographers, bodyguards, etc. for its operatives to come to America and talk to the public. The PTF was used for their purposes and ultimately gave him a legitimate forum to further the deception of the West. Hamid will now be able to return home and report on his mission. His photographer will provide proof of a successful mission that included the Hamid's participation in a forum composed of many of the prominent anti-jihadists in America today.
There was a good deal of back and forth between Spencer and Mir, and I would have VLOGGED it, but video was not allowed. I scored the little I have clandestinely. Spencer wiped the floor with him, because Spencer's arguments are based in fact, not Islamic propaganda. Mir is a plant.
Photo: Hamid Mir on the right of Harvey Kushner.
UPDATE: More on the problem of tools like Hamid Mir. Janet adds:
What was so upsetting about the crowd's response to Hamid Mir on Saturday is that the desire to accept Muslims and some sort of peaceful message from them, however disingenuous, seemed to supersede the will to confront a frightening reality head-on. A careful vetting of Hamid and a through examination of his motives and allegiances requires the acceptance of an intolerable reality. It necessitates the unquestioned realization of the brutality that must be perpetrated by our peace-loving Christian nation if we are to survive.
This was an intervention by the Kumbaya school of thought in the face of an unreconcilable enemy. "If Muslims see how virtuous and wonderful we are, they'll change their minds about wanting to kill us." The wishful, reality-defying cheers of the crowd reinforced this perception. The fact that dissenters were admonished to "be polite" and even viewed with disdain by the majority for expressing the unpopular truth was further evidence of this suicidal mindset.
Certainly a great many of us saw through the bullshit. The problem is that once America begins to wake up (it's inevitable), this will be the modus operandi of the Islamists and the left and the dhimmicrats will embrace the "engaging of dialogue." Translation: a campaign of deceit and deception, while all the while Islamists plot and plan to destroy us.
Hamid Mir and Q
The America's Truth Forum symposium in Las Vegas ended with a bang on Saturday afternoon, when a Q-and-A featuring most of the participants (some, alas, including Walid Shoebat and Babu Suseelan, had earlier flights to catch) devolved into an exchange between Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir and me about Islam and the Qur'an.
This was because Hamid Mir asserted in his address that the Qur'an did not sanction lying, and that it held a non-Muslim's life to be equal in worth to that of a Muslim's, and that Islamic tolerance was exemplified by the fact that Jewish and Christian women could marry Muslim men without having to convert to Islam.
I responded during the Q and A to point out that Qur'an 3:28 and 16:106 not only sanction deception of unbelievers, but are taken to do so by mainstream Qur'anic commentators such as Ibn Kathir and others, and that mainstream Islamic law does not hold a non-Muslim's life as equal in value to that of a Muslim, and that the fact that a Jewish or Christian man may not marry a Muslim woman without converting to Islam was a manifestation of the Islamic supremacism that was fueling today's jihad activity.
Mir replied by saying he really didn't know much about Islam, and asked, "Why are you pushing me to adopt a more radical form of Islam?" This is, of course, a charge that Dean Esmay and others have made: that by speaking of the way jihadists use the Qur'an and Islamic theology, I am only encouraging them. But whether coming from Mir or Esmay or anyone else, this charge is false, and hides an unwillingness by self-proclaimed moderate Muslims to do what they must do: confront and combat the jihad ideology. Mir, after all, made several assertions about the Qur'an and Islam. If he wasn't prepared to back them up, he shouldn't have made them -- although perhaps he wasn't expecting to be challenged on factual grounds.
And this is the problem. Islamic spokesmen in the West make statements like Mir's to non-Muslims every day, and those non-Muslims are eager to hear them and be reassured about Islam. But I continue to maintain that such reassurance is worthless if these moderates are not able or willing to do battle with the jihadists on theological grounds. If the moderate version of Islam is not convincing to Muslims, it is worthless. And if I can see the holes in it from an Islamic standpoint, so can Muslims. Thus I stand by my statements at the symposium on Saturday afternoon: the jihadists are making recruits among Muslims daily by appealing to the Qur'an and Sunnah. Peaceful Muslims should not ignore or deny this, but should acknowledge the aspects of Islam that are giving rise to violence, and repudiate and fight against them. Otherwise this recruitment will continue unabated.
There's more; go there now.
UPDATE: More Wafa video here. Dr. Wafa Sultan Contends that Islam Preaches Violence.