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Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Atlas Shrugged

I am heading back to New York and back to the fight. The election is instructive. It was not a vote for a "Democratic plan or platform," there is none. It was a Republican smack down. It was not a vote for Pelosi politics.

The Bush Doctrine was a bold,  ambitious historic initiative to fight the Global Jihad  but was administered to (as opposed to executed) with a half hearted, half assed, pansified plan.

Big government, immigration, the big issues that  Americans were passionate about all but languished. But the contraindications of the slap down will be as Jim, one of  my readers wrote;

Selling out the troops to Al-Queda
Selling out Israel to Hezbollah
Selling out the economy to welfare pimps
Selling out the tax cuts and a robust economy.
Selling out good to evil.

Looking in the rearview mirror. That's what the Republicans should be doing going forward. They squandered their historic majority and they were punished. But let's not kid ourselves. The American people have been clubbed to death like baby seals by a drive by, jihad loving media and it took its toll. Years and years of lies and propaganda had its effect. The economy is the best case in point. We are experiencing the  strongest most robust economy in recent history and if you listened to the media you'd have thought we were in the midst of a great depression. But it had it's effect. It certainly had it delterious effect on the public's perception of the war on Iraq - practically rooting for the enemy.

This is why the blogosphere is of critical importance. Where else will people get the facts? The news. If we build it, they will come. And so we must build it.

What others are saying;

Tribemike at Free Republic:

"Nice Guys" finish last....inevitable. You are either perceived as weak or lacking passion.

Notice how Democrats move LOCK STEP AGAINST ANYTHING Republicans do...Bush do anything right? IMPOSSIBLE !

On the other hand, Republicans are constantly reaching out, accommodating, deferential...GAG, GAG, GAG.

"Wrong Direction" polls - Democrats state something like 90-10 on that one...they concede NOTHING and simply REFUSE to be ruled by republican anything. Republicans just try to get along.

Someone on this forum said politics is a bloodsport - so true. Democrats are ALWAYS on the attack while Republicans try to play nice and find the noble intention in their enemies somewhere.

To not hold the Senate is inexcusable. All the close races lost (VA, Montana, Missouri)...unbelievable

Charles Johnson at little green footballs

for the 2006 election. With the House in Democrat control, we can expect to see flying subpoenas and impeachment hearings, and big parties across the Middle East.

Captain Ed at Captain's Quarters

This is a big loss, and it will hurt the GOP and the Bush administration. Even if we do hold the Senate, we will have to find compromise candidates for the federal bench, and also look forward to more taxes and regulation. Free trade is a goner. The prosecution of the war on terror will get limited by a probable repeal of the Patriot Act, or at least an attempt to do so, and I'm very sure the Democrats will move to defund the operations in Iraq by a date certain in order to force a "phased redeployment".

And that's not even counting the myriad investigations that Democrats will launch against the Bush administration. Republicans will keep it from getting out of hand, but the Democrats will want to build enough damaging allegations to win again in 2008.

However, in terms of policy at least, the American people have spoken. The majority endorsed these views, and now we have to see them play out. We can certainly criticize it -- and we will -- but we have to respect the voice of the American electorate. They wanted a different direction, and now they have to experience its consequences.

Michelle Malkin

Conservatism did not lose

... The GOP lost. Conservatism prevailed. "San Francisco values" may control the gavels in Congress, but they do not control America. Property rights initiatives limiting eminent domain won big. MCRI, the anti-racial preference measure, passed resoundingly. Congressman Tom Tancredo, the GOP's leading warrior against illegal immigration--opposed by both the open-borders Left and the open-borders White House--won a fifth term handily. Gay marriage bans won approval in 3 states. And as of this writing, the oil tax initiative, Prop. 87--backed by deep-pocketed Hollywood libs, is trailing badly in California.

Jonah Goldberg at The Corner (National Review Online)

How Bush Should Handle Loss [Jonah Goldberg] I think James Baker and Dick Cheney should take Bush out to the woods around Camp David. After 24 hours in a sweat lodge, he should be given only a loin cloth, a hunting knife and a canteen of water. Bush should then set out to track and kill a black bear, after which he should eat its still beating heart so he can absorb its spirit. He should then fly back to Washington in Marine 1. His torso still scratched from the bear's claws, his face bloodied and steaming in the November chill, he should immediately give a press conference at which he throws the bearskin on the front row of the press corps, completely enveloping Helen Thomas, declaring, "I'm not going anywhere."

This will send important messages to Democrats and well as to our enemies overseas, who are no doubt high-fiving as we speak.

But I really liked what Hugh Hewitt had to say going forward.

The Good News And The Bad

I have to assume that the Dems will get the Senate as well as the House, though Conrad Burns may be able to pull off an upset, in which case I hope the GOP in the Senate reject the silly rules they agreed to the last time the body was 50/50.  They got no cooperation from Dems over the past two years, and if by good luck and the Veep's vote they have the majority, they have got to begin to use it.

The long and short of this bad but not horrific night was that majorities must act like majorities.  The public cares little for the "traditions" of the Senate or the way the appropriations process used to work.  It demands results.  Handed a large majority, the GOP frittered it away.  The chief fritterer was Senator McCain and his Gang of 14 and Kennedy-McCain immigration bill, supplemented by a last minute throw down that prevented the NSA bill from progressing or the key judicial nominations from receiving a vote.  His accomplice in that master stroke was Senator Graham.  Together they cost their friend Mike DeWine his seat in the Senate, and all their Republican colleagues their chairmanships.  Senator McCain should rethink his presidential run.  Amid the ruins of the GOP's majority there is a clear culprit.

A second loser was Bill Frist.  To be the Majority Leader of a majority that did not lead is lethal to his presidential ambitions.  Like Senator McCain, it would be easier on everyone if he just exited the stage.

President Bush will not flag in the pursuit of the war, and Senator Santorum is now available for a seat on the SCOTUS should one become available.  GOP senators will have the chance to select leadership equal to the new world of politics which, as the past two years have demonstrated, does not reward timidity.

House Republicans as well have to rebuild from the ground up and with an eye on those members best equipped to debate the almost certain overreaches of the Democratic majority.  From the first day of the new Congress it is going to be a partisan slugfest or a GOP dismemberment.  The GOP must find the fighters with talent and promote them.

The anti-illegal immigration absolutists got their heads handed to them.  As the fence goes up, their rhetoric must go down --dramatically. 

But there is good news as well.

Hillary's path back to the White House is much more difficult with her party in the majority in the House, and much much more difficult if the Senate falls to Harry Reid's command as well.  Clarity as to her party's fecklessness will be back within the first six months, and the GOP frontrunners --Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney-- do not have to serve in the almost certain to be paralyzed Senate.

The Beltway-Manhattan media elite is now stuck "covering" Democratic majorities.  Sure, they will go easy on them, but it is much more difficult to cover for a majority than a minority.

And it is a wonderful day for new media, especially talk radio.  For two years we have had to defend the Congressional gang that couldn't shoot straight.  Now we get to play offense. 

I am concerned for the country that the Democrats have won, but the Republicans are indeed going to find this sojourn in the minority a potentially very good thing. 

If the GOP adopts and refines the tactics the Democrats have used for the past four years all will be well two years hence, and perhaps even better than well.

OK guys, back to the great fight.

UPDATE: Let the Dems bury the Dems

 

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Comments

Atlas and Others: I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above...we, Conservatives, lost our killer instinct and reached out to the other party and we have drawn back a nub. How they, White House,Republican Senate and House and all those idiots that thought they could work with Democrats, could have lost it all is hard to take but here we are folks and for some of us this is not our first rodeo,and the steers on the other side can be roped and rode... but we have to put our spurs on, take off the clown make-up, pull our hats down snug and get set for the ride...as I said before stock up on beef jerky and ammo.

Pam: I have a suggestion...Why not wipe out everything that is posted previous to this posting and lets start fresh, with fresh resolve.

DoctorD - right on brother!

Atlas, thanks for this thread, it's helping me refocus because I admit feeling like the view I see from my fantastic windows, gray and wet.....

One bright spot..... I have to tell you, there were 30 recent college graduates who arrived this weekend from Washington, DC to help here in the Philly suburbs, they all work for Republicans or in federal agencies in DC.

They are really saavy about politics and they have very strong opinions on what needs to be done.

Haskert has to go.
They love Congressman Mike Pence from Indiana, and want him to be replace Haskert.

I never heard of Pence, but I trust what these "kids" have to say.

They leave today to return to DC, determined to continue the good fight. They were awesome to be around.


Here's an e-mail from my father...

There is no morning after pill for the beating Repubicans took last night. In their hatred of George Bush, the American people decided that it was time to clean house. Likely there were those on both sides of the aisle who should have lost their jobs. One has to wonder by what sense of reason we throw out people who have been the most outspoken in telling the truth about the Islamic threat - JD Hayworth, Santorum, Weldon. Many of those who believe Iraq is the most important issue object not to the war, but to how it is being fought. They object to the politically correct manner in which it is being fought, the rules of engagement and the size of the force.

The outcome of the election at best indicates a naivete in the face of the threat to our survival. The great majority of the American populace is blinded to the events in Europe where France, Britain, Holland and Belgium are perilously close to the point of no return in being dominated by Islam. They continue to talk about "One World", but don't have a clue that it will be one world under Sharia.

If we had any Paul Reveres, an uninformed electorate threw them out last night. To a great extent this is the fault of the President for not educating our citizens to the danger they face.

Exclusive: If Liberals Win, America’s Islamists Will Have Reasons to Celebrate
Alex Alexiev
Author: Alex Alexiev
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: November 6, 2006

The James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Frister Hasterts are NOT conservatives.

Gingrich = conservative
Reagan = conservative

If the republicans set themselves up as moral and conservative then they had better be unsparing when there are Duke Cunninghams, and Foleys. They had better be for small govt and no intrusion instead of Schiavo fiascoes becuase RELIGION dictates otherwise in Dobson's mind and wallet. They had better be for secure borders and PRO immigration and not perceived to be pandering to latino votes via no borders and a free for all.

America will not tolerate INCOMPETENCE and when you add Foley to lack of progress with NO changes of personnel in Iraq, you get incompetence.

Now add in Mr. Emanuel ..

Great thread, Pamela. I would have to say that it is a great disappointment indeed to see how it has all gone down. But there is something that can be done. Bush can find his veto, because there are going to be some extremely ugly and dangerous legislation coming down the pike this session. We are going to see John Conyers, Alcee Hastings, Nancy Pelosi, et. al. thinking that they finally have their chance to make up for Florida 2000, Ohio 2004, Baghdad 2003, and Kabul 2002 - and it is going to be coming in spades.

My only point is that Bush better find his inner conservative or we are all doomed. Maybe having an aggressive, leftist majority in both houses will get the Republicans to be more conservative, but I fear there are going to be those who think they can be socialists with (R)s next to their names, and it will be a race to the bottom to see who can give away more money and privileges to the American people (forget that we will pay for it all).

Thus begins the end of six years of lies, theft and dangerously xenophobic bigotry in Congress. Your biggest mistake has been Iraq - giving grossly incompetent Administration the benefit of every doubt in the wake of violence and spending on an incomprehensible scale there. The grownups in America have prevailed over the war-mongering children here in the US peeing their beds over the Islamo Fascist threat. If GW and Cheney say that their gonna get us then we'd better believe 'em!

No accountability on anyone's part for literally laying waste to an entire country, the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of people on all sides of the war and the near-destruction of our military machine. Iraq is hell on earth. American Republicans created that. Excellent work.

People in your own neighborhoods and families, red and blue state alike, are engaging in homosexual sex as we speak. Human beings have been doing so since the beginning of time. The Republican party has become the party of bigotry - anti-gay, anti-Arab, anti-European, anti-Chinese, anti-Muslim. It is YOU who are out of step with the world. Grow up.

People concerned with kindness and fairness and generosity and compassion have finally begun the great pushback against your regime of evil. Thank god.

Atlas,

I really like your blog for some of your stances, such as your defense of Israel, but I am not a conservative, nor a Republican.

So, I must disagree with one of your sentiments: "Democrats are ALWAYS on the attack while Republicans try to play nice and find the noble intention in their enemies somewhere."

I think this may describe YOU more than your fellow Republicans as a whole. I have found that the GOP majority did nothing but toot their own horn, help their corporate interests, and try to drive their God-driven agenda down the throat of very single American.

Bush has flouted the constitution, and while I agree a global fight against Jihad is NECESSARY - you are right, it was administered in the worst way possible.

Finally, I seem to remember that the Republican minority tried to crucify Clinton for his extra marital sexual endeavors...while the recent Democratic minority did NOT waste valuable time roasting the recent Republican scandals on a spit (Given, they didn't have to, the Repubs did it all themselves.)

My point is that I don't think the GOP handled its majority at all well, and I don't think they ever have. Or ever will. They are too concerned with their own agenda to do whats right for America. So I'm glad the Democrats have at least gained enough power to stall Bush's "Lets Destroy America" agenda...because lets face it, its hard to do as bad a job as he has. Now lets see what the Dems end up doing.

Hi Pamela:

THANK YOU for your excellent work on this blog. I'm convinced that if more Americans were exposed to it, they'd have seen the issues facing us in a different light.

I could go on and on expressing my anger at the Dems, their enablers in the MSM, the America-bashing leftards in high positions in our universities, etc., and what they collectively portend for our immediate future. But in my mind, the Republicans simply did not have the stomach for this fight. In the waning weeks of the campaign, some came out swinging, finally, but too much time had been lost.

I can only imagine how happy the jihadists and their enablers are right now. It's up to us to fight back, relentlessly.

And I know that AS2000 will be an important asset in that fight.

So, thanks again, and keep up the great work.

:)

JonQuixote
www.jonquixoteworld.blogspot.com

Santorum on the SCOTUS...I almost choked on my toast with hemp seed butter! That Hewitt is a laff riot.

Adam Stanhope is a girlyman. Yes, Adam, it is you who support the enemy in our midst.
To you, there is no difference between a Baptist and a Muslim. Both are radical religious fanatics, right ? And those Mexicans sneaking across the borders in the dark of night; why they are entitled to medical coverage and retirement benefits, right ? And let's not forget those black Americans who don't quite speak the language correctly, yet adore the 'gangsta' lifestyle and extreme drop out rate; it really is my fault that they don't get ahead in this white man's world, right ? Oh, and finally, if we could just cool off and reverse this runaway global warming, all would be well for a future of chirping birds.
You are a fool, Adam. If you were dumb, I'd think this was all beyond your understanding, but you are not dumb. You have surrendered your manhood to your feminine side, you quit.
Don't expect us to quit to keep you company. We'll be back, next time with a real leader.
No more Frists. No more Hasterts. No more Bushs. These men made the mistake of trying to include the girly men in the necessary war against RADICAL ISLAM.

No one has mentioned the good news of the day:

The farce known as affirmative action was voted down and made illegal by the citizens of the NORTHERN state of Michigan.
No longer will discrimination or preferences OF ANY KIND be allowed in the state. Amazing. This is what happens when you piss the wrong person off: the woman who started the groundswell against affirmative action was denied admission to the U of Michigan Law School due to her color. She was white. No longer will that be allowed thanks to her ten-year effort to change the law. Of course, the idiots who lost the elective mandate are announcing they're IMMEDIATELY going to file a lawsuit to overturn the result, for judges obviously are much better equipped to decide social policy than the general populace is. We shall see whether the people win out on this one.

Here in the Southwest, we are stunned, to put it mildly. My candidate, J.D. Hayworth, lost too. His conservative record speaks for itself:

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/J_D__Hayworth.htm

While it's too early to say exactly why he or any other conservative lost with certainty, I agree with Michelle Malkin's analysis above. And President Bush had better be ready to grow a spine in short order. The pressure on him to make nice to the Demoncats has already begun. Will he cave and how much, are my main concerns at this point.

Also, I could not disagree with Hugh Hewitt more when he says "The anti-illegal immigration absolutists got their heads handed to them. As the fence goes up, their rhetoric must go down --dramatically." This is exactly how the MSM will play it Mr. Hewitt.

I live in the Southwest and crime, depressed wages, lowering property values, and much more are primary concerns for us. The sheer numbers of immigrant voting -- both legal and illegal did have an impact though. Along with their corporate sponsors. John McCain did his little part too. Many of us are convinced he suffers from Stockholm Syndrome.

The unelected 4th branch of government -- the MSM, did their jobs quite effectively during these mid-terms. I have to give them that. Their next step will be to convince Bush that this a referendum from the people.

clyde, thanks for that great news! I was wondering about that. Thank G-d the good folks in Michigan came to their senses on that issue at least.

We could all use some good news about now...

Being from Virginia, there's a depressive state here at work. We're all stunned about the election. But still, there's hope, because there are 130,000 uncounted absentee ballots, and the majority of that is from overseas military and government contractors, so there is hope.

Just like the Republicans have squandered their opportunity, the Dems will squander theirs. I suspect we’ll see little change in foreign policy since the Dems don’t want to hurt their chance for 2008. They’ll just continue to blame Bush and suggest that if we had a Democratic President …

The thing to learn is that if you put aside you principles to hold onto power, you’ll get neither. Let's get Republicans that have the courage to be Republicans.

This is what happens when our Republican elected attempt to spend our way into the hearts of liberals. We should be ashamed of ourselves for spending increases and wasting our majority in House and Senate.

America deserves every single thing San Fran Nan throws at them. They deserve higher taxes, no border control, persecution of Jews and entitlement programs run amok. They deserve the very “change” they wanted and yet had no intellect or attention span to actually ask what “change” Nancy is prescribing. They deserve to have our troops pulled out of Iraq and watch the country implode and terrorist attacks increase. They deserve to have a lame-duck President and 2 years of impeachment processes. They deserve the far-left leadership they so desperately wanted without vetting the real, sick undercurrent of this heinous party. In a conservative country like America; it is a shame the sheeple don’t have more time to “think”.

Republicans need to remember that being ideological is not something you stop doing.

Adam Stanhope, you're a lost cause. You'll be the first one to be beheaded by Islamofascists in your appeasement policy. You don't know the enemy...or rather, you are the enemy within. Say hello to Lonbud. I think you may actually BE Lonbud, pretending to have a friend/ally on this blog. Certainly only one brain between the two of you, if that. At least if you're going to have split personality disorder, try to have a completely different personality for your alter-ego, and preferably not ALSO an asshole.

The Republican domination of government subverted democracy. One group should not exclude representatives from half the country. They kept democrats out of their meetings as a matter of course. That's not America.

When Newt Gingrich himself says the Republicans were out of control, we should listen. He forsaw that one day his own "Republican Revolution" could fail.

Because the Democrats have learned. Now the new majority, after being ignored and dominated by people I helped elect, has learned a nasty bag of tricks taught by their former oppressors. We must hope that they don't dish out the same treatment they've recieved for six years.

Good to see the ever paranoid, conspiracy-minded DocDoc...how you feeling today, my friend, not so chipper, eh wot?

Looks like a whole passel of my statistical outlier brothers and sisters gave the lie to your pre-election certainties yesterday.

Don't fret, though. It may look like a rout on paper, but check out the percentage of incumbents who got sent back to Washington. It's gonna be business as usual for the most part. The Pentagon's budget will probably increase next year...

OMG .....it took them 12 years to win an election and they are wetting themselves.

It's sort of fun to watch considering the Dems that won ran as conservatives.

If you are referring to me ionbud, I'm just fine...always ready for a challenge and looking forward to this one...unlike you and your ilk, I'm not going to sit around on my ass and moan about how unfair it is or how you and yours should give us half and then share the rest...My generation don't work that way.

OMG .....it took them 12 years to win an election and they are wetting themselves.

It's sort of fun to watch considering the Dems that won ran as conservatives.

That's the most intelligent thing I've seen you say on this blog, Pamela. Truly.

The fact that it took 12 years; a stolen election; a terrorist attack that was allowed to happen; the wholesale transfer of wealth from the middle to the highest tiers of the economic population; manipulation of classified intelligence; outing of an undercover agent as political payback; the breaking of the treasury on an illegal, completely mismanaged war that increased the threat of terrorism; cronyism and graft in the awarding of public contracts; rampant corruption, influence-peddling, and malfeasance of the Republican leadership; blatant disregard for statutory and constitutional law; abrogation of the Geneva Conventions; torture and extraordinary rendition of innocent civilians; AND crack huffing and buttf*cking by one of the President's closest advisors doesn't speak very well for the Democrats' abilities to conjure a plan for victory, does it?

You're damn right that many Dems who won ran as conservatives (save for good ol' Bernie Sanders, eh?). If they uphold conservative values the way the current administration has these past six years, we're in for a heap o'trouble.

No DoctorDentons, Lonbud is referring to me. I'm actually ok Lonbud. We would never have had Reagan if we didn't have Carter first, and I have no doubt that the Dems will fuck up their opportunity. I hope there is a Pentagon increase in spending. We're buidling a new Chem Defense building in the next few years because the old one is like 1/2 a century old and outdated for current research purposes, not to mention the BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) which actually saves money.

epaminondas, your obsessive focus with Foley negates the glaring comparison to Studds, but you wouldn't know anything about him, would you? I'm proud to be anti-French (as my "Boycott France" bumper sticker states), as well as anti-Muslime and anti-Arab because they want my American-Jewish baby boy dead! By their OWN WORDS and doctrine, NOT my paranoia Lonbud. Like I said before time and again, YOU'RE the self-hating appeasing Jew who doesn't see the threat of Islamofascism to your own child.

Don't worry, we in the military, whom you have so much contempt for, will even bail YOUR pathetic ass out in the end. It's a shame you're part of the problem when you could be part of the solution = wasted law degree. Sure you don't work for the ACLU?

My next assignment in the summer will likely be a comparable position at Infectious Diseases (Bio Defense), one more credential to add to the litany of superior insight I have in the War on Terror that Lonbud can only spin his gears on. Shame.

Gotta love a sore winner who doesn't realize that by winning, we in the USA lose big. Nothing like a lack of modesty and a continual annoyance in a blog where he's not welcome to top it off. Like Count Dooku said in Revenge of the Sith, "Twice the pride, double the fall."

I have a suggestion for Atlas to ban Lonbud from this thread...any seconds on that? Downside to that is that he is an excellent embodiment of what is wrong with the ethics of secular progressives, like a screaming hemorrhoid.

DoctorDentons, if you are a human doctor, can you please perform (or refer) Lonbud for an optirectomy? That's when they remove the nerve connecting your eyeball to your asshole so you don't have such a shitty outlook on life.

An Opti-rectumy hahahahahahahah lonbud, please consider it, I'll chip in a few bucks, you could use it. It must suck to be so miserable all the time...

And man, you were doing so well, faking it pretty good, you actually doubled your normal amount of sentences in some of these threads that were 'debate-worthy', that got some attention (when I say "doubled" it went from 2 to 4%)

But.... you had a total meltdown, you unloaded a litany of bullshit..
stolen election? terrorist attack that was ALLOWED to happen?? Outing of an undercover agent?? Transfer money from one class to another?? [[Twilight Zone music here]]

lonbud, no one can take you seriously... if comment boxes were cars, yours is loaded with "hate bush" stickers, and your horn is always honking...

After the opti-rectumy, get some anger management class...

Doesn't the "hemp seed" butter mellow you out? I suggest you find a new source for your "butter"... I think you're gettin oregano....

DocDoc, you slay me. The vitriol that oozes from your keyboard like pus from a boil is fascinating and frightening all at once.

Your best plan to counter my voice is to have the blogstress ban me? How very Reichstag of you! Plan B is to get Dr.D to perform surgery? Are you the love child of Josef Mengele and Oliver Wenger?

How many times do I need to refer to my appreciation and respect for the brave men and women who serve in our military, or point out the grave disservice they have been done by the Bush administration's evisceration of the VA's budget over the past six years, to escape your libel as someone who holds the military in contempt?

How many times will you succumb to the need to trumpet your "credentials" in defense of profanity-laced ad hominem attacks on people who don't see eye to eye with you?

You say you're ok, but, to quote the Bard, methinks thou dost protest too much.

No, Rich. The butter just tastes good. To get the mellowing effect, you have to convert the THC to vapor. Which reminds me (damn that short-term memory loss), I'm due for another celebratory bong-hit. i haven't had one since right before I went to bed last night. Slept well, too. You bet'cha.

Pamela,

Great stuff that you've written! Great to see that you've not let this defeat deter your spirit. Speaking of which, in the great spirit of Mark Steyn's new book, I've compiled some research pulled from CNN and the Democrat "playbook" that you may find interesting:

http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2006/11/are-americans-turning-sharply-left.html
http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2006/11/congrats-to-democrats.html

A big fan,

Robert W.
Vancouver, BC

Protest what?
And again with the moral equivalence bullshit, especially to equate a Jew with Mengele, and over a joke. That, on top of the fact that you mock MY service in particular, and mock the credentials I list as the reasons why I have more insight on multiple levels on these issues than you do. Then again, liberals compare Bush to Hitler, so why should I be surprised. One more example of why you're the "self-hating Jew". No respect, and your "as I've said befores" are hollow gestures.

Ladies and gentlemen... the king of de nial.

Who is the "King of Denial" and why? Pretty hollow statement otherwise, no? Yes.

I see my old friends Richard Davis and majPHD are here again, foaming at the mouth at anyone who doesn't share their extreme view of the world. Of course, as you've mentioned, you're both experts in your fields, and we need to trust you. Pardon me, but I don't.

Exactly what qualifies you as experts on geo-political affairs, anyway?

Richard, since you claim to work for the NSA or a related group, why are you sharing that information on a public site? Is that really a smart thing to do? How does your superior feel about you sharing your insights so generously?

Major, you're a veterinarian working on your PhD in Chemistry, isn't that what you stated in a previous post? Working on chemical threats, commendable. Working to stifle debate on how America defends itself...not so much.

When will the two of you realize that all Americans have a right to voice their opinion on how the government conducts itself? Some opinion will based on experience and empirical evidence; some based on ignorance and prejudice. Neither party has a patent on wisdom, no idealogy is ideal in reality.

Your insights and experience in your fields qualifies you to address those areas, but the issues at hand are much larger. Some of us have worked in government and in private sector areas that impact on these issues, but that's not information that's always wise to share.

If you truly love your country, as you say you do, try to respect your fellow Americans when they disagree with you. Throwing invective and slander around isn't a sign of a superior argument, or intellect.

AG: where you been, bro?

Living life, LB, and fighting the good fight on other wing-nut blogs.

I'm out for the weekend, but I'll be back to check on our friends here soon. Kudos to you for being a voice of reason in this gallery of insanity.

...and I'll try to have your back in future skimishes here.

Announcerguy if you scroll up on this and earlier posts, you will see that he lambasts people first for their viewpoints, and then we respond in kind or otherwise. You haveing his back is like France getting our backs, uselss. You may even be another of his split personalities, pretending to have an ally and friend out there, although I don't doubt the intense frequency of other morons out there. Second, I'm not workin on a PhD in chemistry. I already have the PhD in pharmacology, with 5 years of experience in CBRNE (chem, bio, rad, nuke, explosive) defense. Rich had 20+ years with the Navy and NSA. I've also worked in the private sector at Mystic Aquarium and in private practice and still do on weekends. Check up on that if you like.

Anyway, nobody is squelching anyone's opinions. We're just saying that you're dead wrong, and your opinions, when coming from the mouths of those in Congress, are endangering our country based on what Rich Davis and I know that you do not. There are things that others higher up know that I do not. Some of it, for national security's sake, is not for me to know, likely ever.

P.S. You, on the other hand, have not put forth anything in defense of your actual claim, other than to come after me and Rich. You're absolutely right by stating that invective and slander are not signs of superior argument or intellect; the the arguments we've put forth, substantiated by our commentary and experience, are. Blind leading the blind, you're welcome to "get his back". lmfao

P.P.S. lol
Rich USED to work for NSA through the Navy and does not anymore. What he has relayed in here is not classified or declassified. Once again, try not to speak on topics that are not your purview or where you don't have your facts straight.

Adam Stanhope is a girlyman.

Oh, noooo, Adam, someone called you a name!

I guess he showed you.

Ask Lois about how the Mark Foley scandal was no big deal & didn't involve knowledge or coverups by top-level republican officials!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

P.S. In case it's not clear, I agree 100% with what you said, quite articulately!

Actually, it wasn't clear. It seemed at first that you were calling him a girlyman (a.k.a. a little whiney baby) because he was offennnnnnded by descriptors he justly deserves. Nobody called him a girlyman anyway, just a spade a spade. What did he say articulately again, or you for that matter?

Well, since the day is almost over, and I didn't get to say it over the phone, hope you had a great Veterans Day, Rich. Mel (my wife and Navy veteran) and I went to visit Warren (Army and Navy veteran) for his son's 3rd b-day. Seems these sewer rats in here don't even know enough to back off on Veterans Day and show some proper respect, like the fact that we fight for there freedom of speech, even if we waive some of these rights for ourselves.

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