Yaalon: I expect resignations without committee
Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others.” —Winston Churchill ht CPO
And so it is with General Ya'alon.
Allan Roth of One Jerusalem.Org put together another extraordinary opportunity to speak with an important figure on the world stage. Mere Rhetoric, IsraPundit, Boker Tov Boulder, Jewish Current Issues, Tel Chai Nation, and
Publius Pundit joined me in asking the General the questions that tear to heart of geopolitcs and world affairs.
General Ya'alon is, IMAO, Israel's best shot for the right leadership. While we wait for Olmert to do the right thing (is he capable?) and resign, Ya'alon represents Israel's best hope for navigating that country through an foreboding future
Continuing on the last conversation we had here, Yaalon is the voice of reason and strength, a rare quality in today's geopolitical landscape of appeasement.
Yaalon's editorial THE RULES OF WAR is a must read - a primer to where Israel has gone wrong.
Here is the audio on the Q&A, Download Yaalon830.wav
the full audio (briefing included) will be up at One Jerusalem shortly.
When I asked Yaalon how long Israel would have to live with the current leadership, Yaalon told me that it is "up to the Israeli democracy now to deal with the challenge." He said "the last war in Lebanon was a failure in terms of mismanagement at the political level and the senior military level. The best way for those that are responsible is to resign and not go through a long process-- it might be a longer process using the democratic means to deal with this kind of failure and responsibility. But Israel should be strong, Actually one of the positive outcomes of this conflict is the perseverance and endurance of Israeli society."
Question: A unilateral retreat here from Judea and Samaria, that would be harmful, wouldn't it? It could lead to the Hamas setting up mortar attacks within Judea and Samaria, just like in Gaza too, right?
Yaalon: It is another example of our culture of ... The Israel public was manipulated and deceived by calling the disengagement from Gaza something, we have to take our destiny in our hands because we don't have a Palestinian partner, and to take the initiative and disengage from the Palestinians, and it seems like creating a new hope from the Israeli public, and I call it many times, that by using ... we create hawks which at the end appears to be illusion, and it's very clear like it was very clear to myself that the disengagement from Gaza would be perceived by the terrorists as a victory for them. I wasn't surprised by the Hamas victory in the elections, and I said from the very beginning that the outcome of the disengagement should be Hamasstan and Al-Qaidastan and Hezbollahstan, and today it is not just Hezbollahstan, it is Hezbollahstan with Iranian influence because of the Hamas government's decision to cooperate with the Iranian regime in the Gaza Strip. So to think now that this kind of ... regarding the West Bank is like to be blind, not to see the outcome of this kind of decision in the Gaza Strip.
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Pamela: Sure. Okay, yes. It's Pamela from Atlas Shrugs. I wanted to ask how long the Israelis would have to live with the current leadership and how long General Ayalon thought he would have between now and the next onset of hostilities, because frankly this is a hudna, having delegated its sovereignty over to the UN, and I'm sure you saw Kofi Annan, everything that's come out of his mouth is a refutation of 1701, and also today I'm sure you saw that Siniora, the Lebanese Prime Minister said he refused to have direct contact with Israel, and Lebanon would be the country to ever sign a peace deal with the Jewish state. My question is, I know there's a lot of things here but, what can the Israeli people do? Do they have a choice? It's not one man, one state, one man, one vote. What can they do? Must they live with the current leadership, because there will be another onset of hostilities?
Yaalon: It is up to the Israeli democracy now to deal with the challenge, and as I said I see the last war in Lebanon as a failure in terms of mismanagement in the political level and the senior military level. The best way for those who are responsible is to resign and not to go to a long process, but it might be a longer process using the democratic means to deal with this kind of failure and responsibility, but Israel should be strong. Israel should be able to stand, and we are able to stand. Actually, one of the positive outcomes of this conflict is the civilians and the endurance of the Israeli society. Although the Israeli people in the North were attacked for about 33 days, in the end Israel is flourishing ..., economically. You can go now to the north. There is a lot of reconstruction, but the damage is not so significant like in Lebanon and we will be able to deal with it and to go now with our economical and civilian life, but at the end our ability to stand should consist of what I said in terms of what I said in term of understanding the situation, I call it clarity. In the last decade, I believe that we were confused, we were deluded by our leadership, by our media. We were deceived, we were manipulated, and we should understand, this is a challenge, we shouldn't be afraid of it, but in order to have the right solution we should agree about what is a problem and we need some clarity regarding understanding this challenge, and I believe that at the end-- we are actually-- At the end, we are a healthy, democratic society, and we will find a way to cope with it, to deal with it. I might be a longer process because of the political difficulties, but I believe in our strength and our ability to cope with it.
Question: Can I just follow up on one of the points that Pamela made? Do you feel that there's an inevitability that there is going to be a round two with Hezbollah, in terms of military action, or military ...?
Yaalon: I believe that the Iranian regime's interest is to initiate any kind of armed conflict as soon as possible. For them now if they have the capability to do it with the Palestinians, probably we would have been facing it already. The problem with the Palestinian-- the problem, it's to our benefit-- is that they are not able to do it in the West Bank, because we control the West Bank in terms of security, and they might decide to do it from the Gaza Strip, but as I said we have intensified our activities and we are doing it quite well. So in the Palestinian society, it's a problem of capability. Of course they can exploit the current situation to rearm themselves, to get more armaments, and this a fact that Yuval Diskin warned about yesterday, and we have to deal with it. Regarding Hezbollah, now it depends on the Iranian and Syrian ability to rearm Hezbollah. Hezbollah suffered from a lot of damage in term of casualties. We are not sure about the numbers, but it is between 500-600 Hezbollah terrorists, but the best of the best. We fought the special unit of Hezbollah and the best terrorists of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. It's a huge amount for an organization which is based on 1,000 of the best of the best, and ..., and of course they lost almost all of their long-rang and medium-range rockets. The Zelzals, the Fajrs. What they have, they have some more thousands of Katyushas, and now they are trying to be rearmed by the Syrians and the Palestinians and the Iranians, and now the question is the effectiveness of any kind of this deployment of the Lebanese armed forces or the international force not to allow them to be rearmed. I would say that I am skeptical about the implementation of Resolution 1701 and we should be ready to deal with it, but so far Hassan Nasrallah said that he doesn't have interest to renew the hostilities because he doesn't have the capability, actually, to renew it. Otherwise he is going to lose all his Katyushas. So it will take time for them to be ready for a second round of hostilities. When they are ready, of course they will do it.
Question: Hi I'm in a noisy public place but I'll be brief. I also think that the search for moderates, it's probably a bit amiss, in that I think that the core of what ... is not a moderate thing. I think that the moderate ... understand that ... But what we aren't doing is explaining tot he general population and to the people what ... that they're facing, and even Israelis don't ... much about the land, and certainly in Europe, I'm sitting here outside the new Scotland Yard ..., it's a tiny minority of people who understand what we're facing. What can be done to educate our side, which we know they've ... to educate their side?
Allen: Can I just jump in and very quickly a make a point that is slightly different from your assessment. There have two recent polls actually in Great Britain that show that the British people have moved from not understanding to understanding that a majority now understands about the threat of the radical Muslims. I'm not sure that's true in other European countries, although I'm told that in
France there's polling information along the same lines, but still you have an important point. How do we educate, both in Europe and in the United States I think as well. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Pamela: Allen, can I just add one thing to that question of yours? Does General Yaalon see the West's reluctance to even name the enemy as a problem? I mean, did he see Van Susteren's show last night with Centanni and Wiig who were kidnapped? They never mentioned the forced conversion at gunpoint. They never mentioned Islamic Jihad, but this is indicative of a bigger picture. Does he see this as a problem, the fear of even naming the enemy?
Yaalon: Yes, this is the main challenge I believe, to create what I call an awakening in the West. The West is sleeping. In many terms it reminds of the situation before World War II. It's very clear, the threat is very clear. You just have to listen to them. You have just to read the textbooks, and Westerners prefer to ignore it because of many reasons, to postpone for tomorrow, for the next week, for the next year, for the next generation, not to confront it. So we need an awakening. Yes, it is part of what I call the need for educating our people, ... case in Israel, and I believe that in Israel we are in the process of awakening. You can find it in the Israeli ..., but it is needed in Europe as well as in the United States. Regarding to Arab and Muslim moderates, I do not agree with it. There are few of them, but there are. They don't have the political power. I can't say that at the end they are going to win. I am not sure about it, but I am sure that there are, and we should approach them, and we should encourage them, we should support them, and not to be afraid, not in Iran, not in Iraq, not in Syria, not in Lebanon, not in the Palestinian Authority, not even in Egypt. There are. I met many of them. They do not sanctify death, they appreciate Western values, and they should be empowered.
Question: Okay. General Yaalon, you have repeated throughout this Q-and-A and your presentation about the bedrock issue of political and military mismanagement. There a number of observers on the Israeli scene that say that it's even more fundamental, and the word in English is corruption. What is it that you as a long-term observer, both of the military scene, and also presumably the political scene, have to say about, one, its existence, and two, how you eliminate it?
Yaalon: Yeah, it's another conference call to deal with it. (laughter) But I would take it this way. I worry from this phenomenon more than from the Iranian threat, and we have to deal with it. We have to deal with it. That's what I found and I wrote about it. I believe that the decision to go to the disengagement plan was because of corruption, and understanding that by going to this kind of plan our prime minister would save himself from the investigations and unfortunately it still exists, and I would say this is the most important challenge to deal with, because I believe that the mismanagement of the leadership and the incompetence of the leadership is the outcome of the corruption
Click below for the comlete Q & A, it's fascinating.