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With all the wonderful news coming out of Iraq these days, leave it to the mainstream media to highlight this (day in, day out, here) no mention of the barbarism and death at the hands of radical islam;

A Look at U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq AP via Yahoo!
As of Thursday, Nov. 24, 2005, at least 2,104 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. At least 1,653 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers. The figures include five military civilians.

Yo Yahoo. It's the first democracy in the Arab world ever, you seditionists! Go ahead turn over another journalist to the Chinese you sniveling treasonsists!

Way more innocent American civilians died on 9/11. But that's not important.

Here is some news you'll never see;

	11.27.2005 Medics help local Iraqis; Aussie exchanges with U.S.; Soldiers see biblical site; It’s back to school time for Soldiers in the Ohio Guard; Task Force Thunder...		11.20.2005 254th stays flexible in Cedar; Bush: U.S. still supports Soldiers; Chaplain’s goal: improve lives; Going home? DCS has new location; Maj. Motes counts up the...
	11.13.2005 Arms shop keeps guns blazing; Know the alarm status; Comba Combat t str stress ess teams; The 360th safeguards fuel and trucks on route to Sykes; Soldier rec...		11.06.2005 3rd COSCOM takes the helm; 3rd COSCOM takes over; Twins get ready to redeploy; Sic Sick k call medics ba battle ttle the ‘cold’ war ar in Ir Iraq; Locals com...
	10.30.2005 Communications 'good to go'; Soldier visits sick and injured at hospital; New spiritual fitness center opens in Mosul; Soldiers set up, test communications; ...		10.23.2005 Soldiers keep blades turning; Navy trains Iraqi medics; Bush applauds Iraqis on their recent election; 360th delivers in Iraq; CG’s commentary: Be proud of t...
	10.16.2005 Iraqis plan their own missions; Command Sgt. Maj. reflects year in Iraq; Soldiers take home Iraqi culture; Hispanic American moves his way up DOD success lad...		10.09.2005 Kicking down doors in Rawah; Finance Special: Life insurance increases/Carpe Per Diem: seize the money, fill out a travel voucher; Flag football season start...

 

                           

NOVEMER 26TH UPDATE:

Daily Look at U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq

They just can't help themselves those mainstream traitors. Hey MSM! How many people died in China today? Huh? How many ?

Schools closed and thousands of people were evacuated in southwest Chongqing after a blast at the Yingte Chemical Company.

This isn't rural China. These are big towns where these eco catastrophes are occurring. Harbin has 3-1/2 million people; Chongqing a mindboggling 30 million, give or take the population of Delaware.  Put another way, Chongqing by itself has considerably more people than Iraq and is catching up to California.  No wonder this isn't a simple situation. The Independent, a left-leaning publication, has a pretty detailed analysis of how the Chinese lied to their people about the Harbin spill.

More over at Roger's house

November 26th: They just can't stop. Sick sick sick. Report the good

A Look at U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 04:22 pm PST
AP - As of Saturday, Nov. 26, 2005, at least 2,105 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. At least 1,653 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers. The figures include five military civilians. Full Story

Comments

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

Way more innocent American civilians died on 9/11.

Way more innocent Indonesians died in the tsunami - which also had nothing to do with Iraq.

[C Max]

Phoenician:

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 just like Argentina had nothing to do with the Nazis. These days, our enemies don't sign formal treaties, because they know what happens to countries that openly challenge us.

International law -- which the U.S. has always followed -- means nothing to them or the states who sponsor them. So getting rid of Saddam was a good idea made even better by the fact that, strategically, our military presence in Iraq puts us next to virtually every thug state in the middle east. Iraq may have porous borders; but they're porous in both directions.

Don't think for a moment that Boy Assad, the Mullahs, Mubarak, and the Saudi royal family (not to mention the Islamists) don't go to bed each night knowing that their American pals are right down the road in case some new tragedy like 9/11 should befall the United States.

Many of us believe Iraq has everything to do with September 11. Your saying it didn't is just your opinion.

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

Many of us believe Iraq has everything to do with September 11. Your saying it didn't is just your opinion.

Uh-huh.

"Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter."

Just keep making shit up, C Max.

[who?]

Many of us believe George W. Bush has everything to do with the creation of a new terrorist failed state in the middle of the Sunni Arab heartland. That bodes very well for American and Israeli security, no doubt.

Your saying the U.S. follows international law--that was a good one. The British used to follow international law, too, and the Spaniards, before them. "He who rules the waves, waves the rules." Look up the definition of imperialism and try reading a history book every once in a while, you dolt.

[wrapper]

What the Phoenician said.

[C Max]

You obviously didn't read my post. I said there were other reasons for getting rid of Saddam -- one being his disregard of international law. All the better that it had the added benefit of putting us in a good position strategically in the middle east. I really don't care if you think the U.S. has a good history internationally. It's certainly been the most liberal great power in history, as far as I can see.

Why is the left so cynical about the future of Iraq? What makes you so all knowing that you can declare it a failure from your easy chairs?

Maybe it's because the left has never been very hot on democracy to begin with? Those pesky voters coming along, trying to cancel liberal programs and put their liberal administrators out of a job. I keep reading more and more articles by leftists trying to convince me that democracy is neither important nor beneficial, in the long run. Well, I guess not, so long as I have such deep thinkers ready to run my life for me. Not.

As long as you mentioned facts, Iraq's ties to international terrorism, prior invasion of not one; but two of its neighbors, prior use of WMD, and disregard of 19 prior UN resolutions, were also darn good justifications for going to war. The meme that WMD was the ONLY reason Bush ever gave is an absolute lie and even my cat knows it. Please, don't insult my intelligence by telling me what I heard with my own ears and saw with my own eyes in the fall of 2002 and early 2003 never happened. If Bush's words went over your head, it's because you were too busy shouting slogans at the widescreen.

As for the CIA report about Iraq a week after 9/11, that preliminary report indicated the CIA couldn't find any connection between Iraq and the attack itself. So what if some preliminary report found no evidence of a connection between Iraq and the attack? That fact didn't make Iraq any less dangerous to us. Moreover, to this day, nobody knows whether or not the hijackers received some of their training at Salman Pac, where the infamous Boeing jet was set up for that very purpose. In any event, that wasn't my argument as to Iraq's significance in fighting terrorism.

The only people making things up about this war are on the left. You guys just can't seem to handle the thought that victory might be at hand for Bush and the Republicans in their efforts to spread democracy in the middle east. It's interesting that 200,000 people showed up in Amman Jordan the other day to shout death to Zarqawi. That would have been considered surreal in the days following September 11, when every Muslim in the world seemed to want to demonstrate against us.

By the way, the U.S. has always followed international law, whatever it was. Even if we haven't, what's the point? Are we not permitted to defend ourselves now because of our past "sins"? If you want to commit cultural suicide, go ahead. Don't ask me to join you.

[lowandslow]

Using the Murray Waas report as prove there was no connection? You guys are killing me. Give me a second to stop laughing. Ten days after 9/11, wow what a detailed investigation.

Even if you refuse to see the many links between al Qaeda and Iraq, so f*cking what? The President never said there was.

Your BDS has gotten so bad you guys should get some help, it's made you almost to f*cking stupid to breathe.

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

I said there were other reasons for getting rid of Saddam -- one being his disregard of international law.

Indeed - such as the time he violated the UN Charter by launching a war of aggression against another country?

All the better that it had the added benefit of putting us in a good position strategically in the middle east.

In the sense of drawing a great big bullseye on your troops, and inciting many more hundreds of jihadis to strike at you and your allies.

The meme that WMD was the ONLY reason Bush ever gave is an absolute lie and even my cat knows it.

It's the only reason for which Congress authorised force. I hate to point this out to you, but America is a republic, not a monarchy, and Bush is a president, not a king.

You may enjoy being a serf, but it looks like the majority of Americans are finally waking up.

By the way, the U.S. has always followed international law, whatever it was.

Indeed? Such as the time you violated the UN Charter by launching a war of aggression against another country?

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

Even if you refuse to see the many links between al Qaeda and Iraq, so f*cking what? The President never said there was.

June 18 2005: "We went to war [in Iraq] because we were attacked."

Oct 22 2004: "I would tell them the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war against those who caused the deaths on 9/11 is necessary,"

May 1 2003: "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding."

March 17 2003: "And [Iraq] has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda."

Keep making shit up.

[C Max]

P.S.

The U.S. has always been a mercantile power. Dabbling in colonialism didn't suit us. I would add that -- with the exception of Cuba -- we have pretty good relations with our few former colonies, especially the Philippines.

And, I've read a few history books, too. Tell me, is Japan an example of our "imperialism"? Is Germany an example of U.S. "imperialism"? What about South Korea? The Philippines? Seems to me the Philippinos asked us to move our military bases out of there in the early 1980's, and so we did. Is that the act of an imperialist power? Some imperialists. As an aside, even the Vietnamese seem to want to be our pals now that China is becoming a real threat to them. With enemies like us, who needs friends?

How about the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928, where the U.S. agreed to scuttle half of a brand new navy in order to promote disarmament with Japan? More "imperialism," I guess. Three years later, Japan marched into Manchuria. We sure got a real bang for our buck there, didn't we? When World War II started, our standing army was smaller than Yugoslavia's. Since having the world's most powerful military -- rightly or wrongly -- we have used it only to prevent aggression by others. Once again, that doesn't put the U.S. very high on the imperialism scale.

And going back even further, the open door policy with China. More evidence of "imperialism"? And the Monroe doctrine?

That was mercantilism; not imperialism. It was also considered quite liberal and forward thinking at the time; but I guess context means nothing to people like you.

I would add that the big bad imperialist U.S. has never sought to take over its neighbor, Canada, which would seem to be a plump target for any imperialist. Nor have we taken any land from Mexico as a result of military conflict since the Mexican-American War, which, if anyone cares, Mexico started.

You shouldn't use big words like "imperialist" unless you understand their import.

[right-wing hysterical revisionist]

The Monroe doctrine, so liberal and humane!!!

They LOVE us in El Salvador! Panamanians wish the U.S. would come firebomb them more often!

The Chileans voted Allende but they really wanted Pinochet! We did them SUCH a favor!

The Nicaraguans voted Sandanista but they really wanted the CIA to fund a paramilitary terror squad to intimidate them! You're welcome, Nic!

The Fillipinos, 100,000 of which we killed during the Spanish American War, LOVE US!!! They only asked us to relocate our bases because there weren't any more terrorists around! (And that's the only reason they were there in the first place! To protect filipinos!)

Mexico LOVED giving us half its country! (And that traitor Ulysses S. Grant was completely WRONG when he said the U.S. was the unjust aggressor in that war!). Not only that, but we paid them a few million for the land we "stole"--please, it's not like the states of California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico are worth anything close to a few million big ones!

Canada really feels respected by us! We only bully them into trade agreements and drug law cooperation for their own good--and they know it! Plus, they're our biggest economic partner, and we haven't even invaded them!

The Japanese LOVED getting A-bombed by us! They don't even resent it at all, and it's not like America even had to ban them (or Germany) from having a military after WWII--that's how impressed they were by American benevolence!

We've never ever been the aggressors anywhere! In Vietnam our ships were hit in the Gulf of Tonkin!!! IT'S TRUE DAMMIT!!!

[hysteria is patriotic!]

Phoenician, you could probably have a more reasonable conversation about this topic with your refrigerator.

Wingnuts never give up. And they don't need no stinkin facts. Like the man said, you may not believe there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but, uhh, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

[C Max]

Yeh. Like I said. You don't know what the fuck Imperialism is.

And by the way, the first time Daniel Ortega had an election, he was defeated. He was soundly defeated again a few years back. That's why goofs like you hate democracy. You could never get elected if you told people the truth about what you stood for. So what do you do with a "bad"fact like Ortega? Of course, you just lie about it. Ortega LOST two elections, you idiot.

And, please. We "stole" land from Mexico? Mexico "stole" the land from the natives, didn't it? Oh, I forgot -- only white guys can be imperialists. My question again. Does our supposed bad behavior in the past mean we have no right to defend ourselves?

Please, spare me your wavy gravy, hip college professor view of our history. That kind of shit might have gotten you an "A" on the test; but it has little to do with reality.

By the way, about 20,000 Philippinos -- mostly the ancestors of what's now the Moro Islamic Front -- were killed in the Philippines at the turn of the century. But you lefties just can't HELP multiplying the death toll by five when it comes to the U.S.

I don't even want to talk about Japan. If you see our country as the aggressor in that war, that just goes to show how truly fucked up your knowledge of history really is.

Like I said, you can commit cultural suicide if you want. Don't ask rational people to join you. And if you hate this country so much, leave.

[Pamela aka"Atlas"]

Tell Phoenician his loyalty to the Democratic party is admirable, but not when it's party before country. Your contention that our commander in chief is waging war in a foreign land naively defies logic. The war was waged here as thousands of our brothers and sisters vaporized into the very air we breathed on 9/11. President Bush took the war where it belonged...to the heart of the Middle East.
While many countries sponsored terrorism, Saddam's Iraq was the most flagrant. Twelve years flouting sanctions alone would have legitimized the war, but Saddam was paying off families of suicide bombers. He was bankrolling the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine through the UN oil-for-food program. The man was using our taxpayer money to bomb innocents. He gave Abu Nidal, infamous Palestinian terrorist responsible for the deaths of hundreds, safe harbor for decades protecting the grisly executioner of wheelchair-bound American Leon Klinghoffer. What in the world does she think was going on at Salmon Pac?

Radical Islamist terrorist organizations are all connected. Changing their names shouldn't get us off their stench. Iraq is precisely where the war should be taking place, not at La Grenouille. When I hear Democrats lamenting all the terrorists are flooding into Iraq, I say "Hallelujah!" Let's draw them out of their caves and spiderholes and kill them before they come after our kids here. We have a president who iced out the greatest terrorist of all, Yasser Arafat, who cut his teeth in 1972 with his bloodlust and murder of 11 Israeli athletes. When Bush stopped the ridiculous moral equivalency in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and backed Sharon and the security fence, terrorist attacks markedly decreased. The Democrats don't have the conviction nor the will for such action.
The French and Germans agre with wrapper, monyboy, phonician etc but it was their enormous criminal payoffs via the oil-for-food program that fueled their refusal. They conspired against us so that they might continue to suck the blood of the Iraqi poor. They’re really not our friends nor that of the Iraqi people. Lefties should take note: when terrorists, Arafat, the French, the Germans, those opposing us at the UN, and radical Islamist fascists the world over are all routing for Bush's failure, you guys should probably reconsider who side you are on.

I realize your loyalty to the Democratic party might be like religious fervor or a drug, but this one just might kill the organism.
The arguments of the left are laughable. They focus on weapons of mass destruction. Saddam gassed his own people and was famous for his weapons programs. We're quibbling over exactly when this would become a danger again? This is the man who pledged all sorts of mayhem against us in speeches since the first Gulf War. With a history of having attacked four of his neighbors, shooting at us in the no-fly zone and flouting sanctions for years, we needed to take it seriously.

Clinton, Kerry, and numerous other luminaries were convinced of the threat and publicly made us aware, but somehow Bush's belief is sinister? The intelligence failures occurred during the Clinton administration with Bush inheriting a weakened military, patchwork intelligence networks that did not share information a la the Gorelick memo and terrorist plans that were reaching their final stage. How do you compare Bush's eight months in office to Clinton's eight years of squandered prosperity, inaction on terrorism and missed opportunities to get Bin Laden?

After the 9/11 attack on our financial center, I wondered if the economy would ever recover, but Bush cut taxes, gave small business incentives and now we have a staggeringly low 5% unemployment rate. A higher enemployment was wildly heralded during Clinton's time, but suddenly it’s a disaster under Bush.

The left isn't salvagable if you exchange "flipflopping" with "intellectual growth". Intellectual giants are often paralyzed into inaction and the spinally challenged
The left is no one to trust with the current World War. The stakes are too high...it's good vs. evil. I submit to the readers that all heads should be removed from the sand and they must read between the lines of a biased media. Western civilization hangs in the balance.

Happy Thanksgiving, Pamela

[C Max]

Yeah you guys. . . . What she said.

[wrapper]

C-max can't back up his claims of links between Saddam and internationmal terror in another thread, so he leaves and continues the nonsense over here.

Just a nomad, huh C-max?

BTW---Pamela says---"He {Saddam] was bankrolling the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine through the UN oil-for-food program.

Nope.

[C Max]

Wrapper:

There are plenty of articles detailing the links between Saddam and al Qaeda. If you and your pals want to disbelieve them for political reasons, go right ahead.

As a lawyer, I love getting jerks with attitude on the witness stand at a trial. Your style of "debate" doesn't survive long when you must give straight answers to straight questions, and are forced to acknowledge facts that are a matter of record.

You can try to rewrite history as much as you want. A solid majority in this country would rather be safe than sorry. If the left wants to continue its anti-war charade and take the Democrat party down with it, that's fine with me. Soon, you'll be history too.

[A Jax]

the genocide of the native americans was all mexico's fault! we saved the injuns!

we only killed 20,000 filipinos according to my wingnut historian friends! and they all deserved it!

the japs bombed us at pearl harbor so they deserved to have their civilians A-bombed! God (speaking through Harry Truman) said so!!!

we just want to protect our white heritage, and all these damn left-wingers want to force us to commit cultural suicide and take responsibility for our genocide!

call the waaaaahmublance!!!!!!

ATTN Wingnuts:

donate your brains to science! we need to understand what the fuck is wrong with you ignorant, heartless, bigoted people.

[Patrick Chester]

Speaking of genocide, A Jax is busy wiping out the strawman population.

[Mike]

Well Wat do you suggest A jax, an invasion that was projected to 1 Million US casualties and at the minimum 4 Million Japanese. Lets see Compared to death bu Atomic bombs I say it was a bargan. But hey it wasn't LIKE WE WERE IN A WAR HERE! It wasn't like the Japanese had a Lab in Manchuria expermenting on Bio warefare or stocks of Chemical weapons to use on the US when we hit the beaches. Oh and My grandmother was in the Imperial Japanese Army as a Nurse but they Issued her a Kamikaze Head band. Waanna Know why they would issue her one? Because they expected her to die in a Bonzai charge or something like it.

Hey Wrapper, back this up.
http://www.husseinandterror.com/

[Mike]

In the sense of drawing a great big bullseye on your troops, and inciting many more hundreds of jihadis to strike at you and your allies.

As I see about Beirut, the USS Cole, and Saddam Still Shooting SAM's at US pilots enforcing the No-fly zone which Saddam agreed to as terms of the Cease fire, yeah we were doing real well before! Not to mention Kosovo is not exactily a happy safe fun filled place.

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

Tell Phoenician his loyalty to the Democratic party is admirable, but not when it's party before country.

Never voted for the Democrats in my life, never will. In the last election, I voted for the party now in power - and they've done quite well for my country.

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

"In the sense of drawing a great big bullseye on your troops, and inciting many more hundreds of jihadis to strike at you and your allies."

As I see about Beirut, the USS Cole, and Saddam Still Shooting SAM's at US pilots enforcing the No-fly zone which Saddam agreed to as terms of the Cease fire, yeah we were doing real well before!

Bali. Madrid. London.

Oh, and Saddam never agreed to the no-fly zone, the no-fly zone was not part of the cease-fire, and it was not sanctioned by the UN. Feel free to read Resolution 688 some time.

[Phoenician in a time of Romans]

As I see about Beirut, the USS Cole, and Saddam Still Shooting SAM's at US pilots enforcing the No-fly zone

The Marines in Beirut were not civilians. The sailors on the USS Cole were not civilians. The US pilots dropping bombs on Iraqi facilities were not civilians.

The people in Madrid, Bali and London were civilians. As were most of the Iraqis killed in the "liberation".

Thank you, America. Thank you so very very much. Next time you proclaim a crusade, we'll be washing our hair.